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Pattern Fabulous February

Here you go @GaWx

Weeklies deliver, somewhat.
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Tell me if I’m wrong but I think all of u trying to wish away the south east ridge may wanna pump the breaks.. with this system the Gfs is showing it’s the gradient between the SER and the strong short wave with cold air that’s cresting such high snow amounts and lots of moisture.. if someone or everyone scores big here .. it would be because of the south east ridge
 
My bets would be on the Euro in terms of the high. We know the GFS always seems to overpower its high strengths. Maybe let's come back to this post in 5 days and see which was closer.
So while we are all looking at the GFS, here's a look back at something I posted 5 days ago to study how the models were interacting with the idea about an icy system around this time.
So here are the GFS, Euro, and FV3 runs from 5 days ago depicting tomorrow night.
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So the test was to see which run set the stage properly. Here's the GFS for that time frame and the other models aren't that far off, so it is a good example I'd say as they are maybe 1 or 2 MBs weaker or stronger.
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Note the low is up in Michigan. Checking the Euro runs at 0Z of the same run on that Wednesday prior to the one further up showed very similar of a solution.
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My idea that the Euro would come out on top seemed to hold here, and it overall seemed to know what it was doing regarding pressures.

So what implications does that have now? I say we should use this as a good example of how the GFS and FV3 have biases in overdoing high pressures and also how the FV3 was consistently wrong and ended up going the way of the other models. With that said, I'd pay attention to what the Euro is doing with the pressures regarding this upcoming system. Of course H5 is a different ball game and not surface related, and the system the GFS is spitting out seems driven by that. If such wild solutions keep showing up, or show up on the Euro, I'd say it would be worth watching how each model handles the situation.
 

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So while we are all looking at the GFS, here's a look back at something I posted 5 days ago to study how the models were interacting with the idea about an icy system around this time.
So here are the GFS, Euro, and FV3 runs from 5 days ago depicting tomorrow night.
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So the test was to see which run set the stage properly. Here's the GFS for that time frame and the other models aren't that far off, so it is a good example I'd say as they are maybe 1 or 2 MBs weaker or stronger.
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Note the low is up in Michigan. Checking the Euro runs at 0Z of the same run on that Wednesday prior to the one further up showed very similar of a solution.
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My idea that the Euro would come out on top seemed to hold here, and it overall seemed to know what it was doing regarding pressures.

So what implications does that have now? I say we should use this as a good example of how the GFS and FV3 have biases in overdoing high pressures and also how the FV3 was consistently wrong and ended up going the way of the other models. With that said, I'd pay attention to what the Euro is doing with the pressures regarding this upcoming system. Of course H5 is a different ball game and not surface related, and the system the GFS is spitting out seems driven by that. If such wild solutions keep showing up, or show up on the Euro, I'd say it would be worth watching how each model handles the situation.

FWIW, this is the sort of stuff we need lots more of ... Great job, FS!
And thanks!
Phil
 
FV3 . Three different waves on the 18z run , this is not one big system . All waves go from frozen over to rain
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FV3 . Three different waves on the 18z run , this is not one big system . All waves go from frozen over to rain
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Looks like I can add 5.4 more inches to my fantasy repertoire. That puts me at 1/234 of my forecasted snowfall for the season. Really not bad considering. Been a great winter imo
 
This winter has a '93 feel to it Tony as far as being a crappy winter until that storm. I doubt we will be that lucky but you never know. Snow missing me to the south at least would be interesting. Snow missing me by 25 miles to my NE in December kind of hurt a bit.
Yeah, Greg, but it was a close drive. I'd have to go 100 miles before I even got close, lol. 51 now, so the cold continues to drive by, and not stay. I hate thinking Nov/Dec was the best of the bunch. Of course, Goofy wants to give me hours and hours of sleet/zr next week, but I'm not holding my breath :)
 
No change to my late winter outlook. Not going to work south or east of Raleigh to Charlotte line. Also, not buying anymore major snow of a foot but wintery mix possible near i40 north to Greensboro NC area this month. Some late winter snows above 2,000 feet possible with ice the bigger story in climo zones off the mountains. Rainy days ahead for a lot too I should add. Active pattern but the cold will not intertwine for any sig. all snow event for the Carolinas. Watch for mixing may strike in multiple punches. The freak winter storm early winter altered the pattern for most on the board and put the nail in the coffin. More on this new research later.
 
No change to my late winter outlook. Not going to work south or east of Raleigh to Charlotte line. Also, not buying anymore major snow of a foot but wintery mix possible near i40 north to Greensboro NC area this month. Some late winter snows above 2,000 feet possible with ice the bigger story in climo zones off the mountains. Rainy days ahead for a lot too I should add. Active pattern but the cold will not intertwine for any sig. all snow event for the Carolinas. Watch for mixing may strike in multiple punches. The freak winter storm early winter altered the pattern for most on the board and put the nail in the coffin. More on this new research later.

How does that December storm have anything to do with now?


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No change to my late winter outlook. Not going to work south or east of Raleigh to Charlotte line. Also, not buying anymore major snow of a foot but wintery mix possible near i40 north to Greensboro NC area this month. Some late winter snows above 2,000 feet possible with ice the bigger story in climo zones off the mountains. Rainy days ahead for a lot too I should add. Active pattern but the cold will not intertwine for any sig. all snow event for the Carolinas. Watch for mixing may strike in multiple punches. The freak winter storm early winter altered the pattern for most on the board and put the nail in the coffin. More on this new research later.
I’m intrigued. Would love to hear more. 100% agree with your forecast for the remainder of the winter season. Late November/ early December snow doesn’t usually bode well down the road for whatever reason. I never want to see December snow again
 
I am nicknaming our pattern change “The Late Hawaii Pattern Change”. I am not releasing my thesis on a unfinished pdf about the early winter storm. I think ColdRain can vouch for my character and wisdom. Things are turning around but it’s unique. We are going from rain to multiple shots of mixing. Completely different when we came into this winter with that big dog from rain to heavy snow pattern. That pattern is not returning anytime soon.
 
I’m intrigued. Would love to hear more. 100% agree with your forecast for the remainder of the winter season. Late November/ early December snow doesn’t usually bode well down the road for whatever reason. I never want to see December snow again

That’s a falsehood! I got snow on November 11th 1995, from January on, scored 3/4 good events and some single digit lows and LES of Hartwell
 
December storm broke the sky! It hasn’t healed all winter!
Makes as munch as anything else I’ve heard all winter. SSW/MaDookie Niño/Solar Minimum/Corona Hole combo couldn’t save us. What gives? Atmospheric memory has been a theme this winter: The Year Of The Cutter

“Lol at that LP cutting into a 1045 arctic high. Yeah right”
 
Lol the FV3 has three waves that ride the front between Tuesday and Thursday


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FV3 . Three different waves on the 18z run , this is not one big system . All waves go from frozen over to rain
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We have seen this movie over and over again with the FV3 the last three weeks, showing a good storm 7 to 10 days out, only for it to go poof. Maybe this time it will get it right like with the December storm. Come on, FV3! You're our only hope!
 
Anybody post this yet?? GFSv3 clown! 598AA30D-B088-48C3-B92F-9E42A46E606F.png
 
I’m intrigued. Would love to hear more. 100% agree with your forecast for the remainder of the winter season. Late November/ early December snow doesn’t usually bode well down the road for whatever reason. I never want to see December snow again
What does it matter whether it snows in December or February ? Is February snow better than December snow?
 
Nam 3km looks a bit more favorable for severe wx than last run, environment ahead of squall line, limiting factors is lapses but there could be a few stronger downbursts embedded in the squall with that much dry air aloft, also a isolated spinup with high helicity
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I meant to post this the other day but I saw a flock of geese flying north last Wednesday. The nail was already in the coffin but that put the last quarter turn in the lug wrench for me
Well, areas farther south do get more snow than us. So maybe it’s not as bad as we think?
 
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