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2020-2021 Winter: Early Thoughts

Pretty sure 2005-06 was a dud for most of the southeast. I know RDU got blanked that winter, how did other areas like GSO/CLT/GSP/ATL do?
I think that's the year Nashville was supposed to get a major snow event in early February, only for the temperature to sit at 34 and rain ALL NIGHT! I literally cried
 
I was just looking at Octobers with a -NAO to see what that may portend for DJF NAO. Since 1950, there were 36 -NAO Octs out of 70 total. Out of these 36, only 1/3 (12) had a DJF averaging a -NAO. The last 4 Octs with a -NAO all had a +NAO for DJF. Then again, only 21 of all 70 DJF's had a -NAO. So, out of 34 +NAO Octs, only 9 had a -NAO.

Conclusion: A -NAO in October has essentially no predictability about the following DJF's NAO.

**Corrected
 
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What were you like 2 in 05-06?
I was actually 5 and a half thank you.. I was living in an area east of Charlotte at the time. Not far from Harrisburg and Concord. I also very much remember those times including the big snowstorm in Charlotte of Feb 2004 was it?

Here is a beautiful recap of the winter of 2005-2006 in Raleigh! Winter of 2005-2006 recap. The recap of the winter of 2005-2006.


Winter Recap RDU 2005-2006

Snowfall 2005-2006- 0.0 ( well T but whatever)

Lowest Temp Winter of 2005-2006 -20

Highest Temp Winter of 2005-2006- 74

Mean Temp Winter of 2005-2006- 44

Cold Rain Winter 2005-2006- 7.96

End of Recap of Winter of 2005-2006. Thank You! You cant mess with me @SD!
 
Pretty sure 2005-06 was a dud for most of the southeast. I know RDU got blanked that winter, how did other areas like GSO/CLT/GSP/ATL do?
CLT had an ice storm in mid December and then just some flurries in early February... no measurable snow. That ice storm in December I believe is the last time that CLT had a major ZR event... the city has lucked out by getting a lot of sleet the last few ice storms.
 
I was actually 5 and a half thank you.. I was living in an area east of Charlotte at the time. Not far from Harrisburg and Concord. I also very much remember those times including the big snowstorm in Charlotte of Feb 2004 was it?

Here is a beautiful recap of the winter of 2005-2006 in Raleigh! Winter of 2005-2006 recap. The recap of the winter of 2005-2006.


Winter Recap RDU 2005-2006

Snowfall 2005-2006- 0.0 ( well T but whatever)

Lowest Temp Winter of 2005-2006 -20

Highest Temp Winter of 2005-2006- 74

Mean Temp Winter of 2005-2006- 44

Cold Rain Winter 2005-2006- 7.96

End of Recap of Winter of 2005-2006. Thank You! You cant mess with me @SD!
Your still young when lot of us our parents and grandparents.
 
Really encouraging sign for the upcoming winter to see a ginormous Scandinavian block like this in October. One thing we failed to do last winter was attack the stratospheric polar vortex early & often and it costed us dearly later on, hopefully if this pattern persists & grows we can reverse our fortunes this time around.

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Hi Webber. I got one question. Is this pattern due to mjo being the colder phases for this time of year or does that not matter?
 
Here's the latest UKMET, ECMWF seasonal blend.
Monthly:
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I'd be upset at first, but keep in mind that the last 2 years were above normal. Plus seasonal models are garbage.
 
Here's the latest UKMET, ECMWF seasonal blend.
Monthly:
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I'd be upset at first, but keep in mind that the last 2 years were above normal. Plus seasonal models are garbage.
They are both interesting for Jan and have above normal anomalies in the region with the euros being near the gulf coast. I'd like to see the 500mb monthly anomalies
 
They are both interesting for Jan and have above normal anomalies in the region with the euros being near the gulf coast. I'd like to see the 500mb monthly anomalies

yeah both models have a month that would be some good winter down here.

This mirrors a lot of my thinking and a lot of our analogs as well. A good chance of a solid 3-5 week period of good winter with BN temps.

Until we cool off the W. pac and get a longer MJO phase that is cold for us or a solid long -NAO we will struggle to string together a larger period than that of BN temps or even multiple periods like that in a single winter. NAO hasn’t averaged negative in winter for 7 years. No reason to bet against it being + again this year. BUT it has to change eventually right?

I am happy at our position heading into October. We will inevitably miss out on storms cutting into the interior US from La Niña but I’m pretty sure of a good 3-4 week period of heavy winter. Maybe more if the -nao ever decides to come negative for a whole month. I was in high school the last time we had a -nao month:oops: I’m now a college graduate. I’ve been married for 2 years. And I’m a home owner as of this June lol.
 
Well, this September was a dramatic difference from last September. Super hot last year vs. cooler than average this year. Hoping that's a good sign.
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Honestly I'll be somewhat intrigued if we get a warm November. The past two years have had well below normal Novembers to be followed by a torch DJF period...
 
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