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Webberweather53 said:
I legitimately think he cares about the American public, but his heart really isn't in it compared to the stock market. It's the equivalent of a parent-child relationship, sure you bringing money in to support your family is critical for their survival and loss of that income could be cataclysmic and devastating, but it's still also possible to care more about the balance of your check book than your kid.
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Yeah, it's certainly possible that is how Trump feels about things. It's also possible that he cares about the stock market a lot because that's one of the main things he was campaigning on and has worked to implement policies he felt would help it only to see it all come crashing down due to this virus. As a result he might feel the stock market is vital to his 2020 chances and in his mind if he loses the policies of Bernie would be very detrimental to Americans. Either way it's pretty difficult IMO to know what a person's real motivation is and how it might intertwine with the good of someone else and which is a priority, as you mentioned. What concerns me more right now though is the inability of Congress (both sides) to hammer out a deal when there are tons of people who really need something soon to help them out.
 
Jessy89 said:
Actually I said 10k at one point. I can’t post in the Caronavirus thread. Because I guess I got to political wish I could post there again I’ll behave lol


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If that's the case then, you must flip flop more than 384 hr GFS runs!! You're right, you did say 10K after you realized that 500 prediction was going to fall flat on its face, but those predictions are orders of magnitude different, not even in the same galaxy really... 10K likely will suffer the same fate unfortunately. I love your optimism but it's far too overzealous I'm afraid
 
ryan1234 said:
It must be nice to live in your little bubble. Tell me how your opinion is even viable? Schools won't even be open until May 15th, and that probably won't happen. That's NOT back to normal. Not to mention the fact the there are people who can't visit loved ones in nursing homes and medical facilities. You are kidding yourself if you think any of those aspects are considered, "back to normal." Not to mention the ever-growing laundry list of restrictions that are already in place.
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Its wonderful to live in my world Ryan....because I adapt to whatever the hell I have to adapt to and press forward. Having been through the hells of war I can promise you this is a walk through candy land buddy. I can assure you I wont be calling any hotline for my mental health but you do what you need to do for your family...….I have I life to live
 
Storm5 said:
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Cause a climate change study is needed in this bill
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This is awful. Both sides pretty much suck. We need a new more centrist party or parties. Our country is no longer fully functional due to both sides being off the deep end.
 
ATLien said:
Are you saying that republicans want to help the average citizen and not corporations? The democrats are the only ones who want to require that corporations who receive bailout money not layoff workers as a condition of receiving that money. There was NO protection for the average person in the republican's bill. It was solely aimed at the c-suite and not the average person.
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Aimed strictly at the invidual and small business, some corps who employ most citizens. Cant let them fail when its the govt who shut em all down. Even your dentist office.
Democrats trying to put higher fuel emmison standards for airlines, fund abortion with unlimited tax payer dollars, expand wind an solar credits.
SERIOUSLY. Do the right thing for Americans, majority doesnt subscribe your green deal garbage. The need help where they are sitting holed up at home, sacrificing to defeat an enemy.
 
Webberweather53 said:
If that's the case then, you must flip flop more than 384 hr GFS runs!! You're right, you did say 10K after you realized that 500 prediction was going to fall flat on its face, but those predictions are orders of magnitude different, not even in the same galaxy really... 10K likely will suffer the same fate unfortunately. I love your optimism but it's far too overzealous I'm afraid
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I was wrong when I said 500. That was a unrealistic number from the get go. But yeah I’m trying to be optimistic but it is hard to be sometimes


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snowlover91 said:
Yeah, it's certainly possible that is how Trump feels about things. It's also possible that he cares about the stock market a lot because that's one of the main things he was campaigning on and has worked to implement policies he felt would help it only to see it all come crashing down due to this virus. As a result he might feel the stock market is vital to his 2020 chances and in his mind if he loses the policies of Bernie would be very detrimental to Americans. Either way it's pretty difficult IMO to know what a person's real motivation is and how it might intertwine with the good of someone else and which is a priority, as you mentioned. What concerns me more right now though is the inability of Congress (both sides) to hammer out a deal when there are tons of people who really need something soon to help them out.
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The stock market isn't the only thing he boast about. How many people were employed under Trump......Those people who's livelyhoods depend on getting back to work don't need the democrats playing their normal BS games right now.
 
GaWx said:
This is awful. Both sides pretty much suck. We need a new more centrist party or parties. Our country is no longer fully functional due to both sides being off the deep end.
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This round its one side that sucks. Dont lump the right in with the left on this one. I agree with you, its a swamp no doubt. Left,right and center
 
Jessy89 said:
I was wrong when I said 500. That was a unrealistic number from the get go. But yeah I’m trying to be optimistic but it is hard to be sometimes


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Oh yeah, I totally understand that, over optimism reinforcing denial is just as powerful of a coping/defense mechanism as outright panic, it's just our own unique way of coping with extreme, unprecedented problems like this one. It's something none of us will ever forget, just for all the wrong reasons :(
 
Question since I can’t post in Caronavirus thread. If Nc does a shelter at home order will South Carolina as well. So far the two states are very different


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Sandbar said:
Its wonderful to live in my world Ryan....because I adapt to whatever the hell I have to adapt to and press forward. Having been through the hells of war I can promise you this is a walk through candy land buddy. I can assure you I wont be calling any hotline for my mental health but you do what you need to do for your family...….I have I life to live
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I am not going to argue with you anymore. There is literally no point, however, I will say one last thing to you... It's pretty insulting to even mention the hotline in the way you did. Mental health is a huge issue in America and I can assure you that many people will benefit from those lines. They are an important part of keeping people from getting so depressed that they might consider giving up. You said you were in war, so I would at least expect a little compassion when it comes to that topic.
 
ryan1234 said:
I am not going to argue with you anymore. There is literally no point, however, I will say one last thing to you... It's pretty insulting to even mention the hotline in the way you did. Mental health is a huge issue in America and I can assure you that many people will benefit from those lines. They are an important part of keeping people from getting so depressed that they might consider giving up. You said you were in war, so I would at least expect a little compassion when it comes to that topic.
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Im not really arguing with you just stating my opinion (just like you). And as for the hotlines? Believe me I do have compassion having lost several friends in war and to suicide from TBI which I have a mild case of myself. If you feel the need to call one please do but you do have a tendency to want to drag people into your misery which isn't positive in my opinion. You do actually have the choice to find something positive in all of this. It cant all be negative unless you just want it to be. I want to help lift you up not argue with you man but you continue to fight it. You actually posted something really positive last week I believe and I gave you a pat on the back for it. The next day you were right back blaming Trump for everything you see wrong with this crisis and talking about calling a mental health hotline.....
 
Poimen said:
Rank partisanship: a virus plaguing and destroying our nation for far too long.
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I think we should force each member of the house and senate to dunk their head in a crap filled toilet until they get a deal reached. It wouldn’t take more than an hour.
 
snowlover91 said:
Keep in mind Trump has a lot of access and inside info on things that we don’t have. Perhaps his statement is meant simply to speed up congress on a stimulus deal. Maybe he’s received some intelligence suggesting this won’t be as big of a deal as initially feared or that the effects of shutting things down too long will be worse than the virus.. or maybe with the new anti-viral drugs he knows we can start easing things up and treat the sick with those to minimize the effects of the virus. Could be a lot of things.
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Now you are starting to sound logical and liberals can not understand logical.
 
Webberweather53 said:
Deep in his mind, he also likely cares more about the stock market more than people's lives.
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And that stock market and this economy is what gives you and everyone a job and helps us survive. Take that away and then this virus will pale in comparison to poverty and homelessness.
 
Been lurking in this thread, and I have some things to say:

1. For everyone bashing democrats for the failure of the stimulus bill - Yes, democrats are being incredibly stupid and this will probably hurt them come election time. You have to put some blame on the GOP as well. They want to bail out certain companies/sectors. This is corporate welfare/socialism. You ask any republican if they support corporate welfare or socialism and they will say no way. Only when it benefits them. I get this is a southern, and thus mostly right-leaning, forum I expect people to disagree.

As a libertarian, I feel this is a good time to let the free market decide what's going to happen. If someone, say an airline, fails without a bailout, so be it. Spending all your profits to buy back stock is irresponsible when having cash on hand has been proven to get companies through a crisis. Look at Apple, they have ~$200 BILLION of cash on hand. They will not be needing a bailout for a very long time, if ever. I'll probably be flamed for this statement, but this is what I believe in. If you don't believe it, compose a civil counter-argument and let's discuss.

2. Gov. Kemp is a damn moron and is unfit for office. Let's lock things down for a couple weeks. The county government here has taken extra steps beyond and we only have 7 cases confirmed in a county of 220,000+. Considering our proximity to ATL metro (some say we are ATL metro), this is encouraging. This is just one in a series of bonehead decisions Kemp has made since becoming governor. Everyone saw this coming and elected him anyway, because democrats are the devil here.

3. The personal attacks are sad to see. I've only been here for 6 months or so, and I've seen nothing but cooperation and good-natured discussion until the virus hit. I understand there is some level of panic and uncertainty, but people are allowed to have an opinion, whether you agree with it or not. If you don't, keep to yourself. If you do, encourage a civil conversation.

Regardless of your personal, political, or educational status in life, putting others down for being 'not as smart as me' or 'taking this event too lackadaisically' is never a good solution. As we say in IT, stop and read what you wrote before hitting Post reply. You may realize you come off like a jerk. If you don't, well I feel sorry for you.
 
Webberweather53 said:
A shutdown of 15 days is going to be nowhere close to sufficient to contain this virus, just look at the second wave of cases showing up in China now when they lifted their bans, anyone with half a brain could put 2 and 2 together and realize we're gonna need at a bare minimum, a shut down lasting thru basically most of the summer to contain the virus and prevent secondary outbreaks.
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And if we do that where do you see America? Saved lives no doubt. Economy wise? Just fine? No increase in homelessness and poverty? I am asking no as a smart ass. I am asking to sale me on that we will be ok if America does this. That my family will not be hungry or homeless.
 
Matthew70 said:
And that stock market and this economy is what gives you and everyone a job and helps us survive. Take that away and then this virus will pale in comparison to poverty and homelessness.
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Yeah because keeping the stock market and big business afloat at the expense of American lives is the solution here. Anyone who like Trump, thinks we'll be going back to normal in 2 weeks needs to get their head checked.
 
CamWX said:
2. Gov. Kemp is a damn moron and is unfit for office. Let's lock things down for a couple weeks. The county government here has taken extra steps beyond and we only have 7 cases confirmed in a county of 220,000+. Considering our proximity to ATL metro (some say we are ATL metro), this is encouraging. This is just one in a series of bonehead decisions Kemp has made since becoming governor. Everyone saw this coming and elected him anyway, because democrats are the devil here.
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Kemp literally sounds like an uneducated hillbilly moron... like his parents are related stupid. My brain hurts every time I listen to him speak. How he became the Governor of this state just shows how bad the other candidate was. (sounds familiar)

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Nerman said:
Kemp literally sounds like an uneducated hillbilly moron... like his parents are related stupid. My brain hurts every time I listen to him speak. How he became the Governor of this state just shows how bad the other candidate was. (sounds familiar)
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As I stated, I am neither a democrat or republican, although of course I lean certain ways on different issues. I really think Abrams would have done a good job, at least far better than Kemp has.
 
I'd like to add, I'd like to see Senator's terms changed to 4 years and term limited at 8. Representatives should be term limited at 8 years as well, continuing their 2 year terms. This would at least curtail the good old boys club and cronyism at its highest levels and hopefully inject a much needed change into Congress. Nothing is getting done with the Congress we have now, or really any Congress in the past 30 years.
 
CamWX said:
As I stated, I am neither a democrat or republican, although of course I lean certain ways on different issues. I really think Abrams would have done a good job, at least far better than Kemp has.
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I dont live in Georgia but this is just something to think about. How many on herebashing the man have ever had the responsibilty of human life and liveleyhood put on your shoulders? My solid guess is ZERO. This is an unprecedented event for everybody. The president, governors, mayors. This isnt as easy of a decision as some of you think it is but its REAL EASY to criticize on a message board when you dont have to make it.
 
Webberweather53 said:
Yeah because keeping the stock market and big business afloat at the expense of American lives is the solution here. Anyone who like Trump, thinks we'll be going back to normal in 2 weeks needs to get their head checked.
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No personal attack right? And you didn’t answer my question earlier. Do you have Kids?


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NoSnowATL said:
No personal attack right? And you didn’t answer my question earlier. Do you have Kids?


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Did I stutter? Anyone who like Trump, thinks we'll be going back to normal in 2 weeks needs to get their head checked.

What part of that statement do you not understand? If anyone thinks this virus is going to blow over within 2 weeks and we'll be back to normal, you need to seek out the nearest mental institution asap.

Also, why exactly is that question relevant whatsoever? Surely, it wouldn't be a feeble attempt at a personal attack would it? :)
 
Sandbar said:
I dont live in Georgia but this is just something to think about. How many on herebashing the man have ever had the responsibilty of human life and liveleyhood put on your shoulders? My solid guess is ZERO. This is an unprecedented event for everybody. The president, governors, mayors. This isnt as easy of a decision as some of you think it is but its REAL EASY to criticize on a message board when you dont have to make it.
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You're right, no I have never had the responsibility of leading millions of people. However, having watched other governors and their actions these past few weeks, I feel it's safe to say Kemp has done a poor job. I work in government and see first-hand our leaders navigate these troubled times and I have to applaud their efforts and leadership.
 
Webberweather53 said:
Yeah because keeping the stock market and big business afloat at the expense of American lives is the solution here. Anyone who like Trump, thinks we'll be going back to normal in 2 weeks needs to get their head checked.
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I think it is just a ploy to get congress off their butts and pass this package. He is well aware of what is happening and what will happen. However, if they can't reach a solution, the country will be opened back up and nature will take its' course. The blood of the victims will be on their hands.
 
Webberweather53 said:
Did I stutter? Anyone who like Trump, thinks we'll be going back to normal in 2 weeks needs to get their head checked.

What part of that statement do you not understand? If anyone thinks this virus is going to blow over within 2 weeks and we'll be back to normal, you need to seek out the nearest mental institution asap.

Also, why exactly is that question relevant whatsoever? Surely, it wouldn't be a feeble attempt at a personal attack would it? :)
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So you don’t have kids but you can say some people care more about money then their son or daughter. That’s a comment people without kids can say and it’s stupid. You will learn one day my man. Fathers love their kids more then money and you will see how great it is. I’m not going to fall to your level and attack people because I don’t agree with them. I’ll let you do that since it makes you feel better. Like I said before I was 24 once. Keep doing your thang brother!


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CamWX said:
You're right, no I have never had the responsibility of leading millions of people. However, having watched other governors and their actions these past few weeks, I feel it's safe to say Kemp has done a poor job. I work in government and see first-hand our leaders navigate these troubled times and I have to applaud their efforts and leadership.
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I gave Cooper a lot of crap last week for not making a decision. Probably hit send before thinking it through......Im not a fan of his at all but this is a tough thing to navigate. Is Kemp doing a bad job? Maybe but its certainly not a contest and he has to make the decision based on information he is gathering from his cabinet
 
I made an effort in my original post not to call anyone out by name, but I guess no one read my post. Same types of attacks are continuing. Sure you don't have to listen to me, I'm not a mod and you don't know me, but really it's just common decency to treat others well. I expect this type of behavior on Reddit, not here.

"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Your mothers should have taught you that.
 
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