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GaWx said:
Absolutely and I agree that that was a great decision. And Trump reminded of this great decision over and over and over while also downplaying the spread of the virus into the US as @Downeastnc said, which itself caused us to lose ground as a result.

If Trump were to lift the restrictions at the end of 15 days, Dr. Fauci wouldn't be praising that. How can the US be unified if Trump is wishy washy?
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The cocktail Gawx. If it works, we will know at day 15. If it doesnt then probably will see a continuation. Trump is trying to solve a problem, defeat an enemy like Fauci. Trumps isnt gonna sit back on his hands for 6 to 12 months waiting on infalliable testing. Thats not wishy washy, Thats leading being pro active,turning over every stone.
The only reason for this shutdown is to save lives. If this cocktail cuts the mortality rate 90 percent plus. Then we dont need to stay shut down for another 1 to 3 months.
 
Nice to know Congress can work together in a crisis in a bipartisan way to work out something to help the economy... oh wait... it got blocked again by the democrats. I don't care which side of the aisle a person is on, the inability of Congress to get something passed after working all weekend and today is inexcusable in a crisis like this.
 
GaWx said:
Absolutely and I agree that that was a great decision. And Trump reminded of this great decision over and over and over while also downplaying the spread of the virus into the US as @Downeastnc said, which itself caused us to lose ground as a result.

If Trump were to lift the restrictions at the end of 15 days, Dr. Fauci wouldn't be praising that. How can the US be unified if Trump is wishy washy?
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Keep in mind much of the early "downplaying" of the virus was likely political speak to prevent an all out panic from happening. If Trump came out and said hundreds of thousands will get sick and thousands will die what do you think would have happened? I also don't think we were losing ground, it seems to me while he was trying to keep the public calm his team was working in the background to go through the red tape and other processes to prepare for what we are seeing now. There was a ton of red tape they had to work through and logistical prep that had to come.
 
snowlover91 said:
Nice to know Congress can work together in a crisis in a bipartisan way to work out something to help the economy... oh wait... it got blocked again by the democrats. I don't care which side of the aisle a person is on, the inability of Congress to get something passed after working all weekend and today is inexcusable in a crisis like this.
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Do you think it's right that there will be 500 BILLION dollars in this bill that can be given to any company or political crony without the public knowing anything for 6 months? Shouldn't we know where our dollars are going and who is being bailed out?
 
ATLien said:
Do you think it's right that there will be 500 BILLION dollars in this bill that can be given to any company or political crony without the public knowing anything for 6 months? Shouldn't we know where our dollars are going and who is being bailed out?
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The reason they don’t mention who the money goes to is to prevent panic. For example if you made it public immediately that 15 billion is going to go to a financial institution, you would see that company really get hit hard (stock market and run on the bank) with people pulling their money out. Also, the reason for the holdup is because they want to tack on a bunch of “pork” to this bill, now is not the time for that kind of mess.
 
snowlover91 said:
The reason they don’t mention who the money goes to is to prevent panic. For example if you made it public immediately that 15 billion is going to go to a financial institution, you would see that company really get hit hard (stock market and run on the bank) with people pulling their money out. Also, the reason for the holdup is because they want to tack on a bunch of “pork” to this bill, now is not the time for that kind of mess.
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Why would someone make a run on a bank that is getting 15 billion in bailout money? The real reason is so that money can be given to whomever the White House wants it to be given to, including to the president's own businesses, without creating political fallout. We need transparency especially when the government is choosing winners and losers in situations like this.
 
ATLien said:
Do you think it's right that there will be 500 BILLION dollars in this bill that can be given to any company or political crony without the public knowing anything for 6 months? Shouldn't we know where our dollars are going and who is being bailed out?
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I didnt see your side worrying back in 2009 when the Dems sent billions directly to the banks , who did nothing but buy back their stocks, and not loan anything to business going under.
 
snowlover91 said:
Keep in mind much of the early "downplaying" of the virus was likely political speak to prevent an all out panic from happening. If Trump came out and said hundreds of thousands will get sick and thousands will die what do you think would have happened? I also don't think we were losing ground, it seems to me while he was trying to keep the public calm his team was working in the background to go through the red tape and other processes to prepare for what we are seeing now. There was a ton of red tape they had to work through and logistical prep that had to come.
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The problem is that Trump's word was already not believable due to numerous lies and exaggerations. What do you think adding this severe downplaying does to that already not believed word of Trump's?
 
ATLien said:
Why would someone make a run on a bank that is getting 15 billion in bailout money? The real reason is so that money can be given to whomever the White House wants it to be given to, including to the president's own businesses, without creating political fallout. We need transparency especially when the government is choosing winners and losers in situations like this.
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This has 0 to do with transparency. This is solely about blowing up the economy in an effort to help your side win an election in Nov. The Dems will do anything they can to sabatage a recovery after this. Games up. Dont hide behind catchisms of transparency, we want the american citizen helped, not corporations.
 
NCSNOW said:
The cocktail Gawx. If it works, we will know at day 15. If it doesnt then probably will see a continuation. Trump is trying to solve a problem, defeat an enemy like Fauci. Trumps isnt gonna sit back on his hands for 6 to 12 months waiting on infalliable testing. Thats not wishy washy, Thats leading being pro active,turning over every stone.
The only reason for this shutdown is to save lives. If this cocktail cuts the mortality rate 90 percent plus. Then we dont need to stay shut down for another 1 to 3 months.
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A shutdown of 15 days is going to be nowhere close to sufficient to contain this virus, just look at the second wave of cases showing up in China now when they lifted their bans, anyone with half a brain could put 2 and 2 together and realize we're gonna need at a bare minimum, a shut down lasting thru basically most of the summer to contain the virus and prevent secondary outbreaks.
 
GaWx said:
The problem is that Trump's word was already not believable due to numerous lies and exaggerations. What do you think adding this severe downplaying does to that already not believed word of Trump's?
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I'd rather a president do what he can to prevent mass panic vs hype things up or tell people 2 months in advance it's going to be a disaster and have to deal with the panic that would follow. ALL politicians lie and exaggerate things all the time, I hate it, but that's how politics work and both sides are guilty of doing that in various forms.
 
snowlover91 said:
Keep in mind much of the early "downplaying" of the virus was likely political speak to prevent an all out panic from happening. If Trump came out and said hundreds of thousands will get sick and thousands will die what do you think would have happened? I also don't think we were losing ground, it seems to me while he was trying to keep the public stock market calm his team was working in the background to go through the red tape and other processes to prepare for what we are seeing now. There was a ton of red tape they had to work through and logistical prep that had to come.
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Fixed it for ya.....
 
NCSNOW said:
The cocktail Gawx. If it works, we will know at day 15. If it doesnt then probably will see a continuation. Trump is trying to solve a problem, defeat an enemy like Fauci. Trumps isnt gonna sit back on his hands for 6 to 12 months waiting on infalliable testing. Thats not wishy washy, Thats leading being pro active,turning over every stone.
The only reason for this shutdown is to save lives. If this cocktail cuts the mortality rate 90 percent plus. Then we dont need to stay shut down for another 1 to 3 months.
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I thought Dr. Fauci was saying it takes time to make sure a drug, even though it is an old one for malaria treatment, is effective for a new disease. The good doc said he's not at all against hope and optimism but that that, alone, doesn't equate to full steam ahead for the widespread adoption of the malaria drug for COVID-19 before enough trial testing has been done. You don't want to give false optimism, either, as he essentially said.
 
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NCSNOW said:
This has 0 to do with transparency. This is solely about blowing up the economy in an effort to help your side win an election in Nov. The Dems will do anything they can to sabatage a recovery after this. Games up. Dont hide behind catchisms of transparency, we want the american citizen helped, not corporations.
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Are you saying that republicans want to help the average citizen and not corporations? The democrats are the only ones who want to require that corporations who receive bailout money not layoff workers as a condition of receiving that money. There was NO protection for the average person in the republican's bill. It was solely aimed at the c-suite and not the average person.
 
GaWx said:
I thought Dr. Fauci was saying it takes time to make sure a drug, even though it is an old one for malaria treatment, takes time for enough trials to make sure it is effective for a new disease. The good doc said he's not at all against hope and optimism but that that, alone, doesn't equate to full steam ahead for the widespread adoption of the malaria drug for COVID-19 before enough trial testing has been done.
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There are several starting up right now. (trials) It's interesting that several are drugs designed for RA. It appears there is a real connection there?
 
GaWx said:
The problem is that Trump's word was already not believable due to numerous lies and exaggerations. What do you think adding this severe downplaying does to that already not believed word of Trump's?
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Yeah I do not see how trump inevitably quelled any substantial panic whatsoever given how little credibility he has except with his extremely loyal and dwindling base. If you need proof of this just watch how the stock market has reacted each time he's publicly spoken on CoV-19, the overwhelming majority of the time, we've plummeted.

Literally everything he has said up to this point has been complete & utter bull crap, pretending that it's totally okay to lie to everyone before and during a national crisis and brushing it off as "they're just trying to prevent panic" is extremely dangerous. It's the equivalent of you getting stabbed in the chest 50x, suffering extreme internal hemorrhaging and shutting down some of your vital organs, requiring an immediate visit to the ER, and the doctor says you only have a few minor scratches.


If you're a conservative, registered republican like myself (even voting for Trump in 2016) and you're not completely embarrassed by what Trump has publicly said up to this point, you need some serious help.


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Webberweather53 said:
Yeah I do not see how trump inevitably quelled any substantial panic whatsoever given how little credibility he has except with his extremely loyal and dwindling base. If you need proof of this just watch how the stock market has reacted each time he's publicly spoken on CoV-19, the overwhelming majority of the time, we've plummeted.

Literally everything he has said up to this point has been complete & utter bull crap, pretending that it's totally okay to lie to everyone before and during a national crisis and brushing it off as "they're just trying to prevent panic" is extremely dangerous. It's the equivalent of you getting stabbed in the chest 50x, suffering extreme internal hemorrhaging and shutting down some of your vital organs, requiring an immediate visit to the ER, and the doctor says you only have a few minor scratches.


If you're a conservative, registered republican like myself (even voting for Trump in 2016) and you're not completely embarrassed by what Trump has publicly said up to this point, you need some serious help.


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Trumps stance early own was to not cause panic. In his mind he knew it was a pandemic


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