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Tropical Major Hurricane Florence

How do things look for it getting stronger?

the wind field has really sprawled out which makes it harder to strengthen but it always widens the wind potential

We've seen this before... they turn into larger weaker storms, but the surge and wind is usually over a wider area

But if she tightens up it becomes more likely she can go through another strengthening phase
 
How do things look for it getting stronger?
Not too sure. I think that she might have quit the path to another ERC for now since the microwave imagery seems to show an increase in strength around the existing eyewall and the outer area might just be heavier convection circling the storm. Plus, the eye is starting to shrink fast. With that being said, she might be posed to take off, unless something happens to start another ERC.
 
Someone is sure leading the way...

00z euro tonight will be north, then somehow it will still be leading the way just because it doesn't have a poleward bias.

My thoughts exactly.

That would be worse for us in the Triangle, right?
 
Not too sure. I think that she might have quit the path to another ERC for now since the microwave imagery seems to show an increase in strength around the existing eyewall and the outer area might just be heavier convection circling the storm. Plus, the eye is starting to shrink fast. With that being said, she might be posed to take off, unless something happens to start another ERC.

If if if the eyewall can finally get settled and dry air doesn't get it, it could explode. The outflow is as good as it gets.

That said I doubt it happens due to dry air and large wind maxima.
 
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If if if the eyewall can finally get settled and dry air doesn't get it, it could explode. The outflow is as good as it gets.

That said I doubt it happens due to dry air and large wind maxima.

yeah I'm tending to lean against major strengthening tbh

The window is pretty much through tonight though if it does happen
 
Euro with a slightly weaker SE Canada ridge and SE ridge. Thinks this goes a little further north and a little further inland west, does track w-s-w but not the crazy tracks the Euro was showing previous couple of runs.

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Don't know if I'm preparing for 8 inches or possibly 20 inches is really frustrating this close to landfall.
 
The satellite map appears to show the eye shrinking even further, though there is a slight gap in between the two portions now. If it fill sin like it just did with the other shrinkage, the eye will be much tighter.
 
Not too sure. I think that she might have quit the path to another ERC for now since the microwave imagery seems to show an increase in strength around the existing eyewall and the outer area might just be heavier convection circling the storm. Plus, the eye is starting to shrink fast. With that being said, she might be posed to take off, unless something happens to start another ERC.

From the NHC...

There is still a narrow window of opportunity for Florence to
strengthen a little when the cyclone moves over the warmest SSTs and
highest upper-ocean heat content while the shear will be the lowest
between 0600-1200 UTC tomorrow morning. After that, decreasing ocean
heat content along with the slowing forward speed of Florence should
cause at least some cold upwelling beneath the hurricane, which
should induce a gradual weakening trend. Once Florence reaches the
shallow coastal shelf waters in 72 h, land interaction and more
significant upwelling are expected, further enhancing the weakening
process
. The NHC intensity forecast remains near the higher
statistical guidance through 48 hours, then follows the trend of the
decay SHIPS model after that time.

While Florence's maximum winds are expected to weaken a little, it
is still expected to remain a dangerous major hurricane as it
approaches the coast. The threat to life from storm surge and
rainfall will not diminish, and these impacts will cover a large
area regardless of exactly where the center of Florence moves

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 12/1500Z 29.8N 71.3W 115 KT 130 MPH
12H 13/0000Z 31.1N 73.1W 120 KT 140 MPH
24H 13/1200Z 32.6N 75.1W 125 KT 145 MPH
36H 14/0000Z 33.5N 76.5W 120 KT 140 MPH
48H 14/1200Z 33.8N 77.4W 105 KT 120 MPH...NEAR THE COAST
72H 15/1200Z 33.6N 78.4W 85 KT 100 MPH...NEAR THE COAST

96H 16/1200Z 33.6N 80.4W 45 KT 50 MPH...INLAND
120H 17/1200Z 34.7N 82.8W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND

That's pretty weak as it hits the coast, barely at cat 3. Wind doesn't seem like it's a severe issue, probably more of a flooding issue storm.
 
I think the 00z EURO was as far south as we'll see it. Today's 12z run is about where yesterday's 12z run was yesterday. I don't expect to see too much more extreme adjustments either way honestly now.

Important to note. .this is a large scale hurricane and effects north and east of Florence will be far reaching... think Floyd in terms in size so even places well inland with vigorous convection will see very solid strong winds and gusts.
 
Storm looks like garbage. The eyewall is open on the SE side. It needs to get going soon, or it's probably a Cat 2 at landfall.

"Garbage" is good in this case.

Regardless, I'm guessing cat 2 at most at landfall (wherever that is) due to the expected slowdown.

Looking at history, I'm sure there are exceptions, but the worst or nonweakening storms have usually been moving steadily like Hugo, Andrew, Irma, Camille, etc. as opposed to crawling.
 
yeah I think its transitioning towards one of those really large storms that never really gets it back together and just kind of slowly winds down...

It would still be really dangerous and the water wouldn't go away but the winds would be less extreme in general but maybe way more spread out
 
think something like Katrina, Irma, other examples etc... they were really large and spread out but weakening when they came in. Floyd is a NC example

Not to downplay it at all, but the water usually always is worse than the wind anyway
 
Would that EPS run still put the hurricane into Georgia pretty good?

No, less threatening than 0Z EPS for sure due to mean being further north. The trends at 12Z are mainly good for GA, especially Euro/EPS. Hopefully that trend will hold up. Way too early to tell for sure though.

Also, 12Z EPS doesn't have those crazy FL tracks that the 0Z EPS had.
 
The 18z NAM at 15 is a bit NW of it the 12z at 18.
 
think something like Katrina, Irma, other examples etc... they were really large and spread out but weakening when they came in. Floyd is a NC example

Not to downplay it at all, but the water usually always is worse than the wind anyway
I know Opal was weakening also when it came onshore but not sure if it was a large storm.
 
Bout the same position at hour 20.
 
I'm not sure the media would like that. The way they are talking, this is going to be one of the strongest hurricanes ever to hit the US.

its still gonna be a big deal don't get me wrong... we all know the water is what does the damage, look at Harvey in Houston

Especially with the slow motion, that makes everything worse
 
About the same at hour 26...maybe sliiiiightly SW.
 
Exact same position at 30 hr as the 12z. Remarkable.
 
Is this more of a Sandy type deal (completely different setup obviously) with a really big wind field and things slowing down as a it approaches as a opposed to a Katrina or Ivan?
 
Most people don't need to worry about what the maximum winds will be except where landfall occurs. Whether it is a 3 or a 2 is immaterial for most here, the rainfall is the main worry outside of extreme Eastern NC causing flooding especially in the mountains, foothills and Piedmont. If it goes through SC, comes up central to western NC and just creeps it could be devastating for WNC and WSC re: flooding
 
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