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Pattern Freezing Ferocious February

That low a little me SE and we’re game
That double barrel look is killing us on the rain/frozen line. Need that thing south tracking through the gulf. Still time for changes, but I don't see much at this point to cause much concern for folks along that boundary. Certainly subject to change though

This is starting to look like one of the coldest rains many of us have seen in a long long time. WNC should do fine. This is right in their wheelhouse
 
For some reason the 12z GFS skips from 108 to 126 on TT. Not sure if anyone else sees that?
 
Pretty sure the airport is 2 so I would imagine a bit more up our way.
I haven't hit my yearly avg in 10 years, so I'm waiting on a solid pounding to make up for all my angst :) Been waiting on that for...well, ten years, lol, and before that was spring storms, that don't really count since they are gone almost before they happen. I mean, can you count snow that's melting as it falls? I guess you can but 4 inches and still patches of ground showing, just doesn't seem like the real deal. The real deal to me is total coverage that lasts at least a few days...so I guess my last decent storm was in the 90's....do ya'll feel my pain??? I mean, I got three inches in the blizzard, but it all blew away, so it was like a foot in the banked up places, and nothing much else where. Dang, I think I'm about the cry again.....
 
12z GFS ticked sifnifigantly north on super bowl Sunday. Looks like snow to sleet/ZR to heavy cold rain for WNC. Yikes
 
The GFS is trending NW, so it's likely going to be heavy rain at game time for almost everyone in the SE.

I mean we are probably due for a miss to the north. That would be more in line with the norm. Still a good event for TN and parts of NC.


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My eyes are shifting to that system starting at the end of next week.

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I haven't hit my yearly avg in 10 years, so I'm waiting on a solid pounding to make up for all my angst :) Been waiting on that for...well, ten years, lol, and before that was spring storms, that don't really count since they are gone almost before they happen. I mean, can you count snow that's melting as it falls? I guess you can but 4 inches and still patches of ground showing, just doesn't seem like the real deal. The real deal to me is total coverage that lasts at least a few days...so I guess my last decent storm was in the 90's....do ya'll feel my pain??? I mean, I got three inches in the blizzard, but it all blew away, so it was like a foot in the banked up places, and nothing much else where. Dang, I think I'm about the cry again.....
Wow that's no good Tony. Hope you make up for it with a big sleet storm before we close out the winter!
 
That double barrel look is killing us on the rain/frozen line. Need that thing south tracking through the gulf. Still time for changes, but I don't see much at this point to cause much concern for folks along that boundary. Certainly subject to change though

This is starting to look like one of the coldest rains many of us have seen in a long long time. WNC should do fine. This is right in their wheelhouse
I don't see a double barrel.
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The mess is in the energy and no tall ridge out west. Without that ridge being tall out west, it just kind of slides down and never goes neutral or digs deep enough. Not deep enough = cold rain for all.
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For some reason the 12z GFS skips from 108 to 126 on TT. Not sure if anyone else sees that?
This must of been temporary since it shows hours 114 and 120 now. Would be nice if it was due to significant changes in our favor. Oh well. :rolleyes:
 
CMC says it's ice time. Temps stay at or barely above freezing the entire duration of the precip in CAD areas, which could mean ice. However, after my fail of watching ice last time, I'll just watch it and not start any threads LOL.
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Reminds me of the Jan 2014 pattern, which I believe was also a Weak La Nina...
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Mid Jan 2014 also featured a -EPO lasting thru 2/6
2014 01 16 -118.52
2014 01 17 -113.89
2014 01 18 -45.26
2014 01 19 -78.89
2014 01 20 -165.85
2014 01 21 -144.10
2014 01 22 -175.17
2014 01 23 -268.82
2014 01 24 -346.30
2014 01 25 -359.74
2014 01 26 -330.50
2014 01 27 -303.46
2014 01 28 -222.42
2014 01 29 -125.07
2014 01 30 -148.99
2014 01 31 -205.04
2014 02 01 -233.79
2014 02 02 -237.32
2014 02 03 -188.77
2014 02 04 -167.69
2014 02 05 -199.05
2014 02 06 -136.11

that lead to a historic cold outbreak and 3 storms, the best of which came late Jan, then of course several ZR and snowfall storms Feb of that year as well, and winter events well into March.

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Reminds me of the Jan 2014 pattern, which I believe was also a Weak La Nina...
ILyc6lA.png


Mid Jan 2014 also featured a -EPO lasting thru 2/6
2014 01 16 -118.52
2014 01 17 -113.89
2014 01 18 -45.26
2014 01 19 -78.89
2014 01 20 -165.85
2014 01 21 -144.10
2014 01 22 -175.17
2014 01 23 -268.82
2014 01 24 -346.30
2014 01 25 -359.74
2014 01 26 -330.50
2014 01 27 -303.46
2014 01 28 -222.42
2014 01 29 -125.07
2014 01 30 -148.99
2014 01 31 -205.04
2014 02 01 -233.79
2014 02 02 -237.32
2014 02 03 -188.77
2014 02 04 -167.69
2014 02 05 -199.05
2014 02 06 -136.11

that lead to a historic cold outbreak and 3 storms, the best of which came late Jan, then of course several ZR and snowfall storms Feb of that year as well, and winter events well into March.

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mint.20140107.gif

accum.20140213.gif

When you start talking 2014, you start getting me a little excited lol great winter. Learned a lot off that Winter.
 
CMC says it's ice time. Temps stay at or barely above freezing the entire duration of the precip in CAD areas, which could mean ice. However, after my fail of watching ice last time, I'll just watch it and not start any threads LOL.
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Well, it's been a long time since Wake Co has had a good ice storm. We're due one of those more than we were a good snow storm.
 
Beginning to think week of Valentine's might bring the goods to the Deep South with good shot at some wintry mischief. Watching the upper level flow at 500mb + the 250-300mb jet senseing the STJ will roar to life. Watching closely to see if models continue to show this over the Pacific and of course the PV location setup


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That was a relatively ugly 12Z GFS run vs prior GFS runs with near normal temps in the 6-10 and also in the 11-15.. Hopefully it was just a bad burp.

Edit: Isn't there a special rule that allows a once a week substitution of the 12Z GFS for the Happy Hour for a toss? Please tell me this is correct. I promise I wouldn't also toss today's 18Z.
 
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That was a relatively ugly 12Z GFS run vs prior GFS runs with near normal temps in the 6-10 and also in the 11-15.. Hopefully it was just a bad burp.

Edit: Isn't there a special rule that allows a once a week substitution of the 12Z GFS for the Happy Hour for a toss? Please tell me this is correct. I promise I wouldn't also toss today's 18Z.

The GEFS have been trending this way since the 18z yesterday. No sure we can call this a burp...Time will have to be the judge of that.


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The GEFS have been trending this way since the 18z yesterday. No sure we can call this a burp...Time will have to be the judge of that.

You can add the 12Z GEFS to that warming trend list at least in the 6-10. 11-15 not out yet. I guess I could toss the 12Z GFS suite as a whole but I'd be tossing a trending run. So, I may withhold the toss.
 
I don't see a double barrel.
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The mess is in the energy and no tall ridge out west. Without that ridge being tall out west, it just kind of slides down and never goes neutral or digs deep enough. Not deep enough = cold rain for all.
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That's what I get for going off surface maps
 
It looks like the 12Z GEFS 11-15 is also trending in a not so good direction. Aren't we allowed to toss an entire day's runs like once a month?
 
Someone help me understand why people are worried. All we've seen for the last two weeks are OP runs that are all over the place constantly flipping around and ensembles that have no consistency.



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It looks like the 12Z GEFS 11-15 is also trending in a not so good direction. Aren't we allowed to toss an entire day's runs like once a month?

Well we had to know this would moderate some because yesterday’s 12z GEFS was just unreal.


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Someone help me understand why people are worried. All we've seen for the last two weeks are OP runs that are all over the place constantly flipping around and ensembles that have no consistency.

Unfortunately, the last few GEFS 6-15 runs have been trending warmer and the same could be said for the 0Z EPS 11-15.
 
Unfortunately, the last few GEFS 6-15 runs have been trending warmer and the same could be said for the 0Z EPS 11-15.

Plus! 5 to 7 days ago we were all saying let’s wait another 5 to 7 days before we get to worried...Well here we are...Time to be a little concerned.


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Unfortunately, the last few GEFS 6-15 runs have been trending warmer and the same could be said for the 0Z EPS 11-15.
The eps has been busting too warm all year so that's no a surprise at all . Just seems kinda silly to be worried with so much volatility going on . Maybe we do end up much warmer in February but a few runs in my opinion is hardly anything to worry about. Now if next week things still look warmer then yeah it's time to be concerned

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I just remember in December we had the back and forth, but still, the 6z GFS (maybe even 0z) started a trend instead of flip flopping.
 
The eps has been busting too warm all year so that's no a surprise at all . Just seems kinda silly to be worried with so much volatility going on . Maybe we do end up much warmer in February but a few runs in my opinion is hardly anything to worry about. Now if next week things still look warmer then yeah it's time to be concerned

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But that was what was said by many on here last week.


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But that was what was said by many on here last week.


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The gfs and gefs are the ones that were showing cold before mid month . As Larry and others have pointed out everything pointed to mid month and the last half February . The gfs is notorious for rushing pattern changes and was the only one really showing cold before mid February. Classic pattern change rush

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The gfs and gefs are the ones that were showing cold before mid month . As Larry and others have pointed out everything pointed to mid month and the last half February . The gfs is notorious for rushing pattern changes and was the only one really showing cold before mid February. Classic pattern change rush

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I'm worried if mid to late month will be good enough to really get the job done for a big dog for some who haven't gotten anything. Don't really see to many good storms mid to late month imo. That's what I think some on here are worried that even late month or so won't be good enough because by climatology standards, temps are moderating and there tends to be more cutters
 
I'm worried if mid to late month will be good enough to really get the job done for a big dog for some who haven't gotten anything. Don't really see to many good storms mid to late month imo. That's what I think some on here are worried that even late month or so won't be good enough because by climatology standards, temps are moderating and there tends to be more cutters
Worry away historically many on this board receive their biggest storms in late February into March

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I'm worried if mid to late month will be good enough to really get the job done for a big dog for some who haven't gotten anything. Don't really see to many good storms mid to late month imo. That's what I think some on here are worried that even late month or so won't be good enough because by climatology standards, temps are moderating and there tends to be more cutters

Climatology is not an issue til we get past the first week of March for most on the board
 
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