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Half of what he listed was ceremonial law to separate Israel from the heathen nations that surrounded them. The other half is indeed very harsh, but it literally takes a minute to read why the very harsh laws were put in place.

Secondly this is indeed America and I don’t believe you can force anyone to love how you want. However, marriage has always been one man and one woman and for it to take a court ruling to change that is indeed sad as it is very sacred at least in word to many in this nation and those people had no say in it. If the government wanted to offer up the benefits of marriage to homosexual couples I can understand that, but to change the meaning of it without a public vote was wrong. That action kicked one pillar from underneath Biblical marriage and the other one is very weak to Christian’s shame.
There is a difference between marriage (legal terminology) and matrimony (religious terminology). I have a daughter who is LGBTQ and the a-holes and what they say about her send me over the edge.
 

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There is a difference between marriage (legal terminology) and matrimony (religious terminology). I have a daughter who is LGBTQ and the a-holes and what they say about her send me over the edge.
That difference has not been a difference until recently just as gender and sex has not been different until recently.
 

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Whoa.... lots gone on since this morning.

I can't really add to what has been discussed. As mentioned Jesus was a fulfillment of the law as well as the perfect and holy sacrifice, meaning we no longer need to kill sacrificial animals for forgiveness of sins. We are also no longer bound by the law, following rules, laws, etc does not save you (legalism and I'm sure @Poimen can and will explain this much better than I) I don't have to eat a certain food, dress a certain way, etc... to be saved. My salvation is by grace alone through a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Matthew 5:17 Jesus own words - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them".
He also expounds on the laws more as you read through that chapter.

@tramadoc I'll agree there are hypocrites in the church, the church is full of sinners to be honest just as a hospital is full of sick people... we don't go to the hospital well, we go because we are sick and need healing. I don't go to church because I'm perfect (far from it), I go because I need healing and to build on that relationship with my Redeemer. Christians really do hurt their cause when they proclaim one thing then do another but all of us will have to answer for our actions. I truly wish you wouldn't hold the entire church accountable for the actions of some (no matter how many it may be). I will add also and I don't mean this directly towards you, but sometimes the hypocritical argument against the church is misrepresented and what I mean is, I think too that some times individuals expect Christians to be perfect and when they aren't, then they call them hypocrites and reject God. We are humans and we aren't anywhere near perfect, don't expect us to be. Also I agree with @Rain Cold being hateful is wrong and anyone showing hatred towards your daughter is despicable and not acting a Christ would have us act.

God loves everyone unconditionally but that doesn't mean he loves sin.... again both things can and are true. All I can do is try to point people to Him, try to live a life representative of Him as best I can and pray.
 

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And btw I certainly do take issue with other sins not just express a condemnation of homosexuality. Those who place more emphasis on one sin over another also hurt the Christians cause, God does not "rate" sin and neither should we. If we go to work and gossip with our coworkers about another coworker or even in the church with one another about this or that, we're guilty of sin, and it's just as painful to God as murder.
 

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Don't complicate it. The greatest commandment is what? And the second greatest commandment is what? If you can learn the answer and then live those two, chances are sin isn't going to be too big of a personal problem ...
 
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I don't agree with everything that I read but I like to get a feeling for what's generally going on. I'm just curious what parts do you not agree with?
I’ll try to go through it more deeply later, but I don’t agree with the whole “new thing” idea. Yes, God can use new ideas to his use, but he will not change his ways. He will not change to suit this generation. Just because a Rapper makes a gospel album does not mean he is a Christian just as Trump defending Christians and going to prayer meeting doesn’t make him one.
 

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I’ll try to go through it more deeply later, but I don’t agree with the whole “new thing” idea. Yes, God can use new ideas to his use, but he will not change his ways. He will not change to suit this generation. Just because a Rapper makes a gospel album does not mean he is a Christian just as Trump defending Christians and going to prayer meeting doesn’t make him one.
Seems you may have missed the point or I'm reading it wrong one.... not all Christians look alike or act alike. Actually I don't think she ever said Kanye was a Christian because he made a gospel alphum. I mean if he actually had a conversion and now a relationship with Christ, shouldn't we be praying for his continuing growth and walk with the Lord? Sure he's not going to worship as some of us do but that's no reason to proclaim he isn't a Christian either, I think his actions and time will tell but only God truly knows the heart.

The Bibles I held in my hands were symbols of tradition. At one time, they were highly esteemed treasures to be admired and cared for. But the unexpected flood changed their appearance—not their eternal value but their outer covering. Just like the decorative cover of the Bible, the religious spirit focuses on appearances and that which man might consider sacred. And yet when the Holy Spirit comes to flood our hearts with the manifest presence of God, we are forever changed from the inside out.

I actually think there is a lot of truth to the below statement..

Those who walk in the Spirit must look past the packaging and consider the gift inside. God is calling many into the kingdom who do not look like us, sound like us or talk like us. They will not be conventional, traditional or even remotely religious. They will simply be sold out for Jesus.
 

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Seems you may have missed the point or I'm reading it wrong one.... not all Christians look alike or act alike. Actually I don't think she ever said Kanye was a Christian because he made a gospel alphum. I mean if he actually had a conversion and now a relationship with Christ, shouldn't we be praying for his continuing growth and walk with the Lord? Sure he's not going to worship as some of us do but that's no reason to proclaim he isn't a Christian either, I think his actions and time will tell but only God truly knows the heart.

The Bibles I held in my hands were symbols of tradition. At one time, they were highly esteemed treasures to be admired and cared for. But the unexpected flood changed their appearance—not their eternal value but their outer covering. Just like the decorative cover of the Bible, the religious spirit focuses on appearances and that which man might consider sacred. And yet when the Holy Spirit comes to flood our hearts with the manifest presence of God, we are forever changed from the inside out.

I actually think there is a lot of truth to the below statement..

Those who walk in the Spirit must look past the packaging and consider the gift inside. God is calling many into the kingdom who do not look like us, sound like us or talk like us. They will not be conventional, traditional or even remotely religious. They will simply be sold out for Jesus.
I see what your saying, but the issue is Christians aren’t books and you should be able to tell a Christian by his cover as the inside comes out. You can also tell a Christian by his repentance which means to change direction.

Sure, Bibles have different covers and different colors but you can tell it’s a Bible because it says it is. The cover does not say “Fifty Shades of Gray” or “How to win friends and influence people” and then have a Bible inside.

Sure God has people in people in different cultures that look and worship differently. I’ve met some of them, but their power in Christ was real. But in this nation, an unbeliever and a Christian look the same and act the same and articles like this make that ok and there is no Biblical support for it. Not all Christians look alike or act alike, but if we are from the same father shouldn’t there be deep similarities?

Until Kayne actually rejects his old life I’ll pray for his conversation.
 
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I see what your saying, but the issue is Christians aren’t books and you should be able to tell a Christian by his cover as the inside comes out. You can also tell a Christian by his repentance which means to change direction.

Sure, Bibles have different covers and different colors but you can tell it’s a Bible because it says it is. The cover does not say “Fifty Shades of Gray” or “How to win friends and influence people and then have a Bible inside.

Sure God has people in people in different cultures that look and worship differently, but in this nation, an unbeliever and a Christian look the same and act the same and articles like this make that ok and there is no Biblical support for it. Not all Christians look alike or act alike, but if we are from the same father shouldn’t there be deep similarities?

Until Kayne actually rejects his old life I’ll pray for his conversation.
I tend to agree. Its much easier to confess sin and try to turn away from it instead of using justifications like "that was a sin back in bible days or "this is 2010's" and all the other excuses or reasons people roll with. How could you ever have any faith in a changing God with ever changing guidelines? Alpha and Omega my friends.
 

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I see what your saying, but the issue is Christians aren’t books and you should be able to tell a Christian by his cover as the inside comes out. You can also tell a Christian by his repentance which means to change direction.

Sure, Bibles have different covers and different colors but you can tell it’s a Bible because it says it is. The cover does not say “Fifty Shades of Gray” or “How to win friends and influence people” and then have a Bible inside.

Sure God has people in people in different cultures that look and worship differently. I’ve met some of them, but their power in Christ was real. But in this nation, an unbeliever and a Christian look the same and act the same and articles like this make that ok and there is no Biblical support for it. Not all Christians look alike or act alike, but if we are from the same father shouldn’t there be deep similarities?

Until Kayne actually rejects his old life I’ll pray for his conversation.
I completely agree Christians should look similar as their actions should no doubt bear out the fact that they are indeed true Christians. I just didn't get from the article, and especially the piece about what happened to the Bibles, as a "as long as your Christian it's ok to not act like one". I genuinely saw it as more of tradition verses how a Christian may worship or celebrate salvation differently.... just as some churches use organs and pianos only, while others have guitars, drums, etc.

Hey I'm a skeptic of Kanye's conversion as well and as I mentioned, time will tell I guess. But I'm sure there were some Christians who were desperately seeking cover the first time they say Paul (Saul) after that little stop on the road to Damascus too.

edit: I actually speak better than I type things out.... I also meant to say I didn't think the article was saying it's ok for nonbelievers and Christians to look the same and act the same. Plus I think we have to be careful when we talk about all Christians acting the same, sure our lives will reflect that but (as you know) Christians aren't perfect either. To the nonbelievers when they hear us say you should be able to tell a Christian by how they act and then see someone that is a Christian make a mistake, commit a sin, to them it may appear that person either isn't a Christian or is a hypocrite (most likely the latter). Anyway I think we are closer to thinking alike about this then one may think just think we read the article a little differently??
 
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You know I started to say that very thing but it seemed too simple.... for once simplicity was certainly the best policy. Lol
The only thing we can really do is try to decipher if someone is helping other people get closer to God or pulling them away since we are unable to see the heart.. sure there are false teachers ,false music leaders that claim one thing and do another. But there are also plenty of Christians that run new Christians away because there is no Grace given. I know for one thing I don't say and think the same way I did when I first became a Christian that's the same with everybody else.
 

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I completely agree Christians should look similar as their actions should no doubt bear out the fact that they are indeed true Christians. I just didn't get from the article, and especially the piece about what happened to the Bibles, as a "as long as your Christian it's ok to not act like one". I genuinely saw it as more of tradition verses how a Christian may worship or celebrate salvation differently.... just as some churches use organs and pianos only, while others have guitars, drums, etc.

Hey I'm a skeptic of Kanye's conversion as well and as I mentioned, time will tell I guess. But I'm sure there were some Christians who were desperately seeking cover the first time they say Paul (Saul) after that little stop on the road to Damascus too.

edit: I actually speak better than I type things out.... I also meant to say I didn't think the article was saying it's ok for nonbelievers and Christians to look the same and act the same. Plus I think we have to be careful when we talk about all Christians acting the same, sure our lives will reflect that but (as you know) Christians aren't perfect either. To the nonbelievers when they hear us say you should be able to tell a Christian by how they act and then see someone that is a Christian make a mistake, commit a sin, to them it may appear that person either isn't a Christian or is a hypocrite (most likely the latter). Anyway I think we are closer to thinking alike about this then one may think just think we read the article a little differently??
The part of the article I’m referring to is this one.

Those who walk in the Spirit must look past the packaging and consider the gift inside. God is calling many into the kingdom who do not look like us, sound like us or talk like us. They will not be conventional, traditional or even remotely religious. They will simply be sold out for Jesus
This in effect is saying their heart may be “sold out to Jesus” but will not appear to have any of the traditional signs of one. That is just not Biblical. God is not raising a new breed of Christian. A sold out Christian will reject and then be rejected by the world.

No doubt Christians were skeptical of Paul. But Paul brought forth fruits of repentance when he preached the cross, endured the shame and took the stripes that was a result of him making the profession.

Christians are to strive to be different and look different. The fact that it isn’t preached regularly is why Christians are not different. Sure, some of the world will see a Christian fall and may count them as fake. However the damage is far greater by not preaching difference than by worrying not. Paul didn’t pull any punches extolling the church to be different in his letters.
 

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The part of the article I’m referring to is this one.



This in effect is saying their heart may be “sold out to Jesus” but will not appear to have any of the traditional signs of one. That is just not Biblical. God is not raising a new breed of Christian. A sold out Christian will reject and then be rejected by the world.

No doubt Christians were skeptical of Paul. But Paul brought forth fruits of repentance when he preached the cross, endured the shame and took the stripes that was a result of him making the profession.

Christians are to strive to be different and look different. The fact that it isn’t preached regularly is why Christians are not different. Sure, some of the world will see a Christian fall and may count them as fake. However the damage is far greater by not preaching difference than by worrying not. Paul didn’t pull any punches extolling the church to be different in his letters.
They will not be conventional, traditional or even remotely religious. I just don't see that statement as meaning it's ok for Christians to NOT reject the world and I don't see it as meaning that will not look like a Christian. I personally don't want to look religious, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.... Again I see it as more about how that person worships, praises (the style) more so than their daily actions. A person sold out to Jesus isn't going to live a life of sin, I don't think that is what she is saying but I'm no theologically trained minister, I'm just a lowly sinner who is saved by Grace.

"I'm just a nobody, trying to tell everybody, about somebody who saved my soul" love that song btw...
 
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I completely agree Christians should look similar as their actions should no doubt bear out the fact that they are indeed true Christians. I just didn't get from the article, and especially the piece about what happened to the Bibles, as a "as long as your Christian it's ok to not act like one". I genuinely saw it as more of tradition verses how a Christian may worship or celebrate salvation differently.... just as some churches use organs and pianos only, while others have guitars, drums, etc.

Hey I'm a skeptic of Kanye's conversion as well and as I mentioned, time will tell I guess. But I'm sure there were some Christians who were desperately seeking cover the first time they say Paul (Saul) after that little stop on the road to Damascus too.

edit: I actually speak better than I type things out.... I also meant to say I didn't think the article was saying it's ok for nonbelievers and Christians to look the same and act the same. Plus I think we have to be careful when we talk about all Christians acting the same, sure our lives will reflect that but (as you know) Christians aren't perfect either. To the nonbelievers when they hear us say you should be able to tell a Christian by how they act and then see someone that is a Christian make a mistake, commit a sin, to them it may appear that person either isn't a Christian or is a hypocrite (most likely the latter). Anyway I think we are closer to thinking alike about this then one may think just think we read the article a little differently??
"Come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord" 2 Corinthians 6:17 ......" By their fruits ye shall know them".Matthew 7:20
 

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I've not said one word that suggest a Christian should not act like a Christian and that we should be in the world and of the world, I haven't said one word like that. But apparently by the responses it appears that way....



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They will not be conventional, traditional or even remotely religious. I just don't see that statement as meaning it's ok for Christians to NOT reject the world and I don't see it as meaning that will not look like a Christian. I personally don't want to look religious, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.... Again I see it as more about how that person worships, praises (the style) more so than their daily actions. A person sold out to Jesus isn't going to live a life of sin, I don't think that is what she is saying but I'm no theologically trained minister, I'm just a lowly sinner who is saved by Grace.

"I'm just a nobody, trying to tell everybody, about somebody who saved my soul" love that song btw...
I don’t want to look religious, but I do want people to see me and see what I say matches what I look like.

I guess I just have a problem with what is quoted. I just do not see any Biblical statement regarding some radical difference concerning new converts. No where does God say he will make it easier for them. The whole article just screams acceptance and compromise to me, in my opinion.
 
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I've not said one word that suggest a Christian should not act like a Christian and that we should be in the world and of the world, I haven't said one word like that. But apparently by the responses it appears that way....



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That was not directed at you, by any stretch.... I was just replying to the topic of conversation.
 

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Love your God with your whole heart and soul; love your brother and sister as yourself ... then no worries ... you've then done all you can and all that you're expected to do ... if folks would just get it, we could close this thread ...
 
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