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If you folks get a chance, go on Youtube and watch some of Billy Graham's messages. Hard to imagine that he preached in Yankee stadium, Texas stadium, Tiger's stadium, just to name a few. Truly one of God's great ambassadors.
If you get a chance, say a prayer ... crowds aren't needed for God to hear you ...
 

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If you folks get a chance, go on Youtube and watch some of Billy Graham's messages. Hard to imagine that he preached in Yankee stadium, Texas stadium, Tiger's stadium, just to name a few. Truly one of God's great ambassadors.
You know Ive never listened to one of his sermons. Had nothing agsinst him, but Id much rather listen to D James Kennedy, Erwin Lutzer or Vernon Mcgee.
 
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I listen to BBN (Bible broadcasting network) daily, I am so thankful that there are still good Christian radio stations which are still spreading the Gospel in such perilous times. This is an International syndicated network and you can find one of these radio stations most anywhere in the country (I listen to 91.1 out of Charlotte).
Check out their website bbnradio.org to find your nearest station, or just listen online. If you are like me, and love good Gospel music along with great preaching, (Erin Lutzer, Vernon Mcgee, Ravi Zacharias, Jimmy Deyoung just to name a few) then you will not be disappointed.
 

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Statue of Liberty

In New York Harbor, stands a lady,
With a torch raised to the sky;
And all who see her, know she stands for
Liberty for you and me.

I'm so proud to be called an American,
To be named with the brave and the free;
I will honor our flag
and our trust in God,
And the Statue of Liberty

On lonely Golgotha, stood a cross,
With my Lord raised to the sky;
And all who kneel there, live forever
As all the saved can testify.

I'm so glad to be called a Christian,
To be named with the ransomed and whole;
As the statue liberates the citizen,
So the cross liberates the soul.

Oh the cross is my Statue of Liberty,
It was there that my soul was set free;
Unashamed I'll proclaim
that a rugged cross
Is my Statue of Liberty!
 

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Probably belongs more in the political thread (it's why I say all the time the two are not mutually exclusive, anyway). Today Chic-fil-A decided to stop donating to the Salvation Army and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes because of their opposition to gay marriage. Really sad, this of course means they caved to the LGBTQ activist, who will undoubtedly will say this isn't enough and demand more. You're a Christian based business, do not be ashamed of that and stand up for what is right.... really disappointing.
 
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Probably belongs more in the political thread (it's why I say all the time the two are not mutually exclusive, anyway). Today Chic-fil-A decided to stop donating to the Salvation Army and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes because of their opposition to gay marriage. Really sad, this of course means they caved to the LGBTQ activist, who will undoubtedly will say this isn't enough and demand more. You're a Christian based business, do not be ashamed of that and stand up for what is right.... really disappointing.
You feel that LGBTQ isn’t right?
 
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Probably belongs more in the political thread (it's why I say all the time the two are not mutually exclusive, anyway). Today Chic-fil-A decided to stop donating to the Salvation Army and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes because of their opposition to gay marriage. Really sad, this of course means they caved to the LGBTQ activist, who will undoubtedly will say this isn't enough and demand more. You're a Christian based business, do not be ashamed of that and stand up for what is right.... really disappointing.
As much as I disagree with those groups and the fact that Chick-Fil-A donated to them, I’ve always believed in a private business’s right to do whatever the hell they want (see cake baker case)
Chick-Fil-A serves anyone no matter their race, sex, or orientation, and that’s good business and that’s all that should matter really
 

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Probably belongs more in the political thread (it's why I say all the time the two are not mutually exclusive, anyway). Today Chic-fil-A decided to stop donating to the Salvation Army and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes because of their opposition to gay marriage. Really sad, this of course means they caved to the LGBTQ activist, who will undoubtedly will say this isn't enough and demand more. You're a Christian based business, do not be ashamed of that and stand up for what is right.... really disappointing.
They are not getting another cent from me which is sad due to how much I view them to be above other FF places. I can respect someone who gives to something I disagree with. I cannot respect someone who claims to believe sonething, and then changes their mind because someone whined about it. Hypocrisy burns bridges.
 

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You feel that LGBTQ isn’t right?
I just happen to hold to Christian values and beliefs based on God's word, including my belief that marriage should be between a man and woman as God in intended it. I'm not perfect, I sin often and ask for forgiveness often and am forgiven because God's love is unconditional. My opposition is to what God has deemed as sin not to the individuals themselves.

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They are not getting another cent from me which is sad due to how much I view them to be above other FF places. I can respect someone who gives to something I disagree with. I cannot respect someone who claims to believe sonething, and then changes their mind because someone whined about it. Hypocrisy burns bridges.
And I'll take that money I'm not spending at Chifila and I'll drop it in the red bucket when I hear those bells ring.

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I'm seeing and reading differing opinions on Chick-fil-a's restructuring of their charitable giving. I would encourage everyone to read all the facts on the issue before assuming that they surrendered to the cultural forces around them. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't--I don't presume to know all the details that went into their decision; nor should any of us who were not a part of such discussions. I will take them at their word until they give me a reason not to.

What should be most concerning to all of us--people on the right and the left--is that a charity such as "The Salvation Army" is considered a hate group by some.

In the meantime, I'll be sure to slip a few extra bucks in the red tins as I enter Wal-Mart this Christmas season after I enjoy a chicken sandwich from Chick-Fil-A.
 

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I'm seeing and reading differing opinions on Chick-fil-a's restructuring of their charitable giving. I would encourage everyone to read all the facts on the issue before assuming that they surrendered to the cultural forces around them. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't--I don't presume to know all the details that went into their decision; nor should any of us who were not a part of such discussions. I will take them at their word until they give me a reason not to.

What should be most concerning to all of us--people on the right and the left--is that a charity such as "The Salvation Army" is considered a hate group by some.

In the meantime, I'll be sure to slip a few extra bucks in the red tins as I enter Wal-Mart this Christmas season after I enjoy a chicken sandwich from Chick-Fil-A.
Unless their reasoning involves being forced by the government or their doors would be closed, then not sure I really care what their reasoning is. I know that doesn't sit well with you and some others but the fact of the matter is they betrayed The Salvation Army. The Salvation Army is being treated as a hate group don't have too many major organizations or businesses in their corner anymore. That's betraying a brethren and going back on your word. Yep I'll also be dropping a few more dollars in the red kettle this season but not with a chicfila sandwich in my hand or after eating one but rather with the money I didn't spend at their franchise.

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I just happen to hold to Christian values and beliefs based on God's word, including my belief that marriage should be between a man and woman as God in intended it. I'm not perfect, I sin often and ask for forgiveness often and am forgiven because God's love is unconditional. My opposition is to what God has deemed as sin not to the individuals themselves.

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I was raised Catholic and learned the Bible at a very young age. Walked away from the church a long time ago because of the hypocrisy shown in the church.

You’re in NC. A BBQ eater most likely.

Leviticus 11:8 “You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.”

I’m sure you wear modern clothing.

Leviticus 19:19 “... Nor shall a garment of mixed linen and wool come upon you.”


If a female member of your family isn’t a virgin on their ending night.

Deuteronomy 22:13-21 “If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.”

If any friends or family have committed adultery.

Leviticus 20:10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”

No sex when a woman is menstruating.

Leviticus 18:19 “Also you shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness during her menstrual impurity.”

Do you eat shellfish?

Leviticus 11:10-12 “But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you, and they shall be abhorrent to you; you may not eat of their flesh, and their carcasses you shall detest. Whatever in the water does not have fins and scales is abhorrent to you.”

I can go on. You can’t pick and choose. Following the Old Testament teachings and picking and choosing which biblical verses to follow is hypocritical. Either be all in or not.
 

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I was raised Catholic and learned the Bible at a very young age. Walked away from the church a long time ago because of the hypocrisy shown in the church.

You’re in NC. A BBQ eater most likely.

Leviticus 11:8 “You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.”

I’m sure you wear modern clothing.

Leviticus 19:19 “... Nor shall a garment of mixed linen and wool come upon you.”


If a female member of your family isn’t a virgin on their ending night.

Deuteronomy 22:13-21 “If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.”

If any friends or family have committed adultery.

Leviticus 20:10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”

No sex when a woman is menstruating.

Leviticus 18:19 “Also you shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness during her menstrual impurity.”

Do you eat shellfish?

Leviticus 11:10-12 “But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you, and they shall be abhorrent to you; you may not eat of their flesh, and their carcasses you shall detest. Whatever in the water does not have fins and scales is abhorrent to you.”

I can go on. You can’t pick and choose. Following the Old Testament teachings and picking and choosing which biblical verses to follow is hypocritical. Either be all in or not.
This is one of the most common rebuttals to Christianity and the Bible. I don't have time to walk through it point by point, but Jesus Christ was a fulfillment of the old law with the new covenant. One really needs to study the NT and consider the entire Bible against the nature of God. Listing a few things that seem hypocritical isn't a serious analysis of the Word of God and it's context. History, purpose, cultural context, and God's nature are all necessary to develop a proper frame of reference for which to understand the Bible. It isn't an easy task. Understanding the Word of God is a difficult undertaking that should be done over the course of one's life.
 
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I was raised Catholic and learned the Bible at a very young age. Walked away from the church a long time ago because of the hypocrisy shown in the church.

You’re in NC. A BBQ eater most likely.

Leviticus 11:8 “You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.”

I’m sure you wear modern clothing.

Leviticus 19:19 “... Nor shall a garment of mixed linen and wool come upon you.”


If a female member of your family isn’t a virgin on their ending night.

Deuteronomy 22:13-21 “If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.”

If any friends or family have committed adultery.

Leviticus 20:10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”

No sex when a woman is menstruating.

Leviticus 18:19 “Also you shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness during her menstrual impurity.”

Do you eat shellfish?

Leviticus 11:10-12 “But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you, and they shall be abhorrent to you; you may not eat of their flesh, and their carcasses you shall detest. Whatever in the water does not have fins and scales is abhorrent to you.”

I can go on. You can’t pick and choose. Following the Old Testament teachings and picking and choosing which biblical verses to follow is hypocritical. Either be all in or not.
This is a simplification and a misunderstanding of Scripture. There’s a reason the Bible has two “Testaments”, literally two “covenants.” When I have time I will reply in greater detail.
 
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This is a simplification and a misunderstanding of Scripture. There’s a reason the Bible has two “Testaments”, literally two “covenants.” When I have time I will reply in greater detail.
Dude. I know this. After the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, Christians should be following the teachings and scripture of the NT not the OT.
 

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Jesus Christ is the NEW Covenant replacing the Old Law. Many times in the New Testament this is referenced. He replaced the Old Law of sacrifices by being the Perfect Sacrifice and thereby abolishing the Law. His law is Love, Grace and Mercy, not a list of hundreds of Dos and Don'ts created by people, most notably the Pharisees. He hung out with and used ordinary people/sinners like you and me to advance His Gospel. None of us approach anything remotely near perfect but through Him and by His Grace we are made perfect. We are to Love one another, not necessarily the Sin, but the person.
 
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I think the point is most Christians who condemn homosexuality don’t really condemn anything else listed in those verses that @tramadoc posted. You’ll see it over and over again how LGBT is “anti-Christian” and what have you but we never see anything from anyone about the other abominations that are listed in the OT.


Personally I believe that you can believe anything you want, but your right to exercise your beliefs end where the rights of others begin. Such as this: I may believe marriage is only between a man and a woman, but I’m not one to stop others from getting married just so as long as I still can get married to whoever I want, therefore I vote in support of marriage equality (or elect those that support it). That’s what makes America great and separates us from the barbarians that rule Iran and Saudi Arabia - places where women can’t drive simply because it’s not acceptable. Stupid. And America should not limit personal freedoms because someone said I cannot do what *they* believe is wrong.
 

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This is one of the most common rebuttals to Christianity and the Bible. I don't have time to walk through it point by point, but Jesus Christ was a fulfillment of the old law with the new covenant. One really needs to study the NT and consider the entire Bible against the nature of God. Listing a few things that seem hypocritical isn't a serious analysis of the Word of God and it's context. History, purpose, cultural context, and God's nature are all necessary to develop a proper frame of reference for which to understand the Bible. It isn't an easy task. Understanding the Word of God is a difficult undertaking that should be done over the course of one's life.
I’m waiting on “Judge not, lest you be judged” next.
 

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I think the point is most Christians who condemn homosexuality don’t really condemn anything else listed in those verses that @tramadoc posted. You’ll see it over and over again how LGBT is “anti-Christian” and what have you but we never see anything from anyone about the other abominations that are listed in the OT.


Personally I believe that you can believe anything you want, but your right to exercise your beliefs end where the rights of others begin. Such as this: I may believe marriage is only between a man and a woman, but I’m not one to stop others from getting married just so as long as I still can get married to whoever I want, therefore I vote in support of marriage equality (or elect those that support it). That’s what makes America great and separates us from the barbarians that rule Iran and Saudi Arabia - places where women can’t drive simply because it’s not acceptable. Stupid. And America should not limit personal freedoms because someone said I cannot do what *they* believe is wrong.
A quick couple of thoughts...I would say that there's plenty of condemnation by Christians of non-homosexuality-related things. Also, homosexuality is explicitly covered in the NT as well. So, I don't think it's fair to classify it as an OT sin, only. The Bible is very clear on it -- both in the OT and NT. Anyway, the other things is (and this is merely tangential to the conversation), pointing out a particular belief isn't the same as judging someone. Recognizing something you believe is wrong must also come with the recognition that you also have faults and are not perfect. There's an element of humbleness involved in that.
 

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I think the point is most Christians who condemn homosexuality don’t really condemn anything else listed in those verses that @tramadoc posted. You’ll see it over and over again how LGBT is “anti-Christian” and what have you but we never see anything from anyone about the other abominations that are listed in the OT.


Personally I believe that you can believe anything you want, but your right to exercise your beliefs end where the rights of others begin. Such as this: I may believe marriage is only between a man and a woman, but I’m not one to stop others from getting married just so as long as I still can get married to whoever I want, therefore I vote in support of marriage equality (or elect those that support it). That’s what makes America great and separates us from the barbarians that rule Iran and Saudi Arabia - places where women can’t drive simply because it’s not acceptable. Stupid. And America should not limit personal freedoms because someone said I cannot do what *they* believe is wrong.
Half of what he listed was ceremonial law to separate Israel from the heathen nations that surrounded them. The other half is indeed very harsh, but it literally takes a minute to read why the very harsh laws were put in place.

Secondly this is indeed America and I don’t believe you can force anyone to love how you want. However, marriage has always been one man and one woman and for it to take a court ruling to change that is indeed sad as it is very sacred at least in word to many in this nation and those people had no say in it. If the government wanted to offer up the benefits of marriage to homosexual couples I can understand that, but to change the meaning of it without a public vote was wrong. That action kicked one pillar from underneath Biblical marriage and the other one is very weak to Christian’s shame.
 
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Dude. I know this. After the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, Christians should be following the teachings and scripture of the NT not the OT.
But even in the NT Jesus clearly affirms marriage as being man and woman only (Matthew 19:4-6). Also the Apostle Paul alludes to the perversions of humanity from the created design after man rejected God. See Roman's 1, beginning at verse 20 or so. Yes, there are other sins in the NT as well. But much of what you listed is the ceremonial laws for the OT. Christ fulfilled the law for everyone. But when we believe on Him we live His life through us, doing what pleases Him, since we love Him. And having sex in anyway not intended by God does not bring blessings.

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