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Does anyone find it unusual the number of this? Also that military will be ones delivering the vaccine? HR6666? Like how does that number even get picked.
 

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America is going down a dark path. As the cop in this video says. It can get ugly very fast. I hope that this is over very soon. Please go away virus.
 

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Does anyone find it unusual the number of this? Also that military will be ones delivering the vaccine? HR6666? Like how does that number even get picked.
I grant you that it is a strange number given the circumstances, though it is four instead of three. I have no idea how these numbers are chosen.

But this is likely no more a sign of the “mark of the beast” than your SS number or CC numbers, etc.

As with most things in Revelation, the mark of the beast is probably symbolic rather than a literal mark of some kind. Numbers play an important symbolic role in Revelation. If we keep in mind that “7” is the number of perfection in the Jewish mind, what then would three sixes symbolize? While we can’t say for certain, it seems likely that 666 represent a three-fold emphasis on imperfection, or something of the like.

What or who we worship is central in Revelation. Those who worship Christ worship that which is perfect; while those who worship the beast worship that which is the complete opposite of perfect and of Christ himself.
 
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I grant you that it is a strange number given the circumstances, though it is four instead of three. I have no idea how these numbers are chosen.

But this is likely no more a sign of the “mark of the beast” than your SS number or CC numbers, etc.

As with most things in Revelation, the mark of the beast is probably symbolic rather than a literal mark of some kind. Numbers play an important symbolic role in Revelation. If we keep in mind that “7” is the number of perfection in the Jewish mind, what then would three sixes symbolize? While we can’t say for certain, it seems likely that 666 represent a three-fold emphasis on imperfection, or something of the like.

What or who we worship is central in Revelation. Those who worship Christ worship that which is perfect; while those who worship the beast worship that which is the complete opposite of perfect and of Christ himself.
And further, Christians have no reason to fear the number 666. We've been given a spirit of sonship not fear! 👍
 

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Ive read heard some awesome bible studies on numbers in the bible. Not the book of Numbers, but actual numbers. Anyway here is a quick article. But there is a ton of stuff . Had a math professor at a public univ do a awesome last week of class throwing out numbers and tying into creation. It was jaw dropping.
Wish I had time to post more. Know GAWX is big on stats,numbers and would be intrigued by. Oh well, anyway

Meaning of Numbers in the Bible
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Biblical Meaning of Numbers
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9
10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 17 - 19
20 - 21 - 30 - 33 - 40 - 50 - 111
222 - 444 - 666 - 777 - MORE!
An essential key to understanding God's Word and its design is through the meaning of Biblical numbers. Their connections and patterns, when we search them out and understand them, reveal the handiwork of God. Although the arrangement of some is obvious, others are not and require in-depth Bible study. The patterns found do not exist by random chance but by design. Each one has a particular symbolism attached to it by our Creator.
Research has uncovered patterns in certain original language words and phrases that reveal a hidden meaning behind the Biblical text. This discovery offers additional proof that God inspired every word used in the book that boldly proclaims to reveal His will, plan, and purpose for man. The Eternal challenges us through Isaiah that He alone is Creator.
'To whom then will you compare Me, or who is My equal?' says the Holy One. 'Lift up your eyes on high, and behold, who has created these things, who brings out their host by number' (Isaiah 40:25).
The awesome complexity of the earth itself, as well as the infinite vastness of the universe (which man cannot even begin to comprehend), are silent witnesses of the existence and wisdom of a Master Creator. God designed and created the universe based on mathematical laws and numbers, principles that continue to govern the entire creation.
Indeed, God has wonderfully revealed Himself through His creation (Romans 1:20). Though the scientific community has discovered several of these immutable laws, men actually know little to nothing about God’s limitless universe.
Just as God employed mathematical laws to create everything, He used numerals in the design of His word. The Scriptures exhibit a numerical design that can only be explained by the direct inspiration of a Creator. Edward F. Vallowe, in his book entitled Biblical Mathematics, writes the following.
 

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Heres another good article. Type this in google toolbar. Tons of stuff out there.

Shapes, Numbers, Patterns, And The Divine Proportion In God's Creation
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SUNDAY, DECEMBER 01, 2002
 
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Ravi Zacharias has died. He had sarcoma. I had heard he was ill but had no idea he was close to death. Though I never met him, I think he was a loving and compassionate ambassador for God. I have no doubt he is with God now, but he will be missed by many!
 

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Ravi Zacharias was an utter con man.. All that crap with 'laying hands' for healing? Give me a break. Zero respect.
 

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Ravi Zacharias was an utter con man.. All that crap with 'laying hands' for healing? Give me a break. Zero respect.
I never knew he laid "hands for healing" on anyone? I listen to his radio broadcast every week. You might be confusing him with someone else. Ravi is an extremely intelligent born again Christian who is of Indian decent. He is one of the most intelligent evangelists I know. Look up RZIM and see if this is the man you are referring to.
 
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I grant you that it is a strange number given the circumstances, though it is four instead of three. I have no idea how these numbers are chosen.

But this is likely no more a sign of the “mark of the beast” than your SS number or CC numbers, etc.

As with most things in Revelation, the mark of the beast is probably symbolic rather than a literal mark of some kind
. Numbers play an important symbolic role in Revelation. If we keep in mind that “7” is the number of perfection in the Jewish mind, what then would three sixes symbolize? While we can’t say for certain, it seems likely that 666 represent a three-fold emphasis on imperfection, or something of the like.

What or who we worship is central in Revelation. Those who worship Christ worship that which is perfect; while those who worship the beast worship that which is the complete opposite of perfect and of Christ himself.
To the first part, I agree with you 100%. That has nothing to do with the "mark of the beast". To the second bold part. Not so much...... There are many parts of the book of The Revelation that are literal and this is one of them.... There will in fact be a literal mark on the right hand or on the forehead. It will be needed to buy or sell during the tribulation period.... implying a cashless monetary system.
 

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To the first part, I agree with you 100%. That has nothing to do with the "mark of the beast". To the second bold part. Not so much...... There are many parts of the book of The Revelation that are literal and this is one of them.... There will in fact be a literal mark on the right hand or on the forehead. It will be needed to buy or sell during the tribulation period.... implying a cashless monetary system.
How do you determine which symbols to interpret literally and vice versa?
 

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How do you determine which symbols to interpret literally and vice versa?
Common sense..... Come on man.... surely your smarter than that. An identification mark that will be used for commerce is not apocalyptic literature. Now a beast rising up out of the sea having seven heads and ten horns is symbolic.
 

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Common sense..... Come on man.... surely your smarter than that. An identification mark that will be used for commerce is not apocalyptic literature. Now a beast rising up out of the sea having seven heads and ten horns is symbolic.
Lol understanding Revelation is not quite as simple as common sense. Some things are easy, but there are more than a few "symbols" that extraordinary scholars disagree on, in terms of interpretation. And there's quite a bit of disagreement on the simple things too, mind you.
 

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Common sense..... Come on man.... surely your smarter than that. An identification mark that will be used for commerce is not apocalyptic literature. Now a beast rising up out of the sea having seven heads and ten horns is symbolic.
Yes, common sense. Silly me. What was I thinking?

Now, intellectually speaking, how do you determine which symbols to interpret literally?

And try to answer the question without insulting my intelligence or interpretive acumen.
 

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I never knew he laid "hands for healing" on anyone? I listen to his radio broadcast every week. You might be confusing him with someone else. Ravi is an extremely intelligent born again Christian who is of Indian decent. He is one of the most intelligent evangelists I know. Look up RZIM and see if this is the man you are referring to.
Spot on. The poster has no clue who hes referencing.
 

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Tim Lahaye and Jerry Jenkins put out a prophecy study bible. Awesome teaching tool to studying prophecy,book of revelation.
When you study Revelations and put it beside other books in the bible, like Daniel chapters 6-12 , Mathew 24 to name a couple, its not hard to understand. God is not author of confusion.
 
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I never knew he laid "hands for healing" on anyone? I listen to his radio broadcast every week. You might be confusing him with someone else. Ravi is an extremely intelligent born again Christian who is of Indian decent. He is one of the most intelligent evangelists I know. Look up RZIM and see if this is the man you are referring to.
Here are a couple articles for those interested.

Never heard of him laying hands, he wasn't a "faith healer" if that's what the poster meant. I have heard of Ravi reaching out to people around the world in moments of natural disasters, hunger, being present with those on deathbeds, visiting and helping in prisons, and eloquently and compassionately sharing hope and encouragement to millions around the world. He was human, and no doubt had flaws, but he touched more people than most of us ever will. Nothing but respect here.
 

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I want to be clear that I respect other orthodox interpretations of Revelation. But in my experience, I have found that those who have been influenced by the Scofield Bible; the Left Behind series; Hal Lindsay, et al, have not been so gracious, which has been evident in this thread even. Such an ungracious spirit is usually indicative of a desire to hang onto tradition rather than an earnest desire to keep an open mind in matters that we should avoid being so dogmatic. There is room for gracious disagreement in how Christians interpret aspects of Revelation. If you hold dogmatically to any one view, you should at least be prepared to defend it with sound biblical interpretive methods.
 

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I want to be clear that I respect other orthodox interpretations of Revelation. But in my experience, I have found that those who have been influenced by the Scofield Bible; the Left Behind series; Hal Lindsay, et al, have not been so gracious, which has been evident in this thread even. Such an ungracious spirit is u sexsually indicative of a desire to hang onto tradition rather than an earnest desire to keep an open mind in matters that we should avoid being so dogmatic. There is room for gracious disagreement in how Christians interpret aspects of Revelation. If you hold dogmatically to any one view, you should at least be prepared to defend it with sound biblical interpretive methods.
What does scoffield study bible,left behind series, have to do with being dogmatic?
Not trying to be aurgumentive with you . Just confussed why you are saying that.
To me Its very simple , Gods word is clear on all matters and with the Holy Spirit its easy for me to understand it for reproof,correction,guidance and discernment of Gods will in my life. Dont think God intended for his word and its interputation to be divided up into several camps of thinking,interputation. His word is word. Hes the same yesterday,today,and forever.
I am influenced by the Holy Spirit and when I read Gods word , thats what molds my piece of clay between the right and left ear.
 

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I want to be clear that I respect other orthodox interpretations of Revelation. But in my experience, I have found that those who have been influenced by the Scofield Bible; the Left Behind series; Hal Lindsay, et al, have not been so gracious, which has been evident in this thread even. Such an ungracious spirit is usually indicative of a desire to hang onto tradition rather than an earnest desire to keep an open mind in matters that we should avoid being so dogmatic. There is room for gracious disagreement in how Christians interpret aspects of Revelation. If you hold dogmatically to any one view, you should at least be prepared to defend it with sound biblical interpretive methods.
I agree that knowing who is correct in regards to the interpretation of Revelation is difficult for all involved. It is entirely possible God has revealed it to someone but how we know who that someone is would be the big question. My advice is to pray earnestly and ask God for discernment in how to interpret his word but remember sometimes the answer from God is not always the one you want. Shouldn't keep us from trying though, mainly through prayer
 

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What does scoffield study bible,left behind series, have to do with being dogmatic?
Not trying to be aurgumentive with you . Just confussed why you are saying that.
To me Its very simple , Gods word is clear on all matters and with the Holy Spirit its easy for me to understand it for reproof,correction,guidance and discernment of Gods will in my life. Dont think God intended for his word and its interputation to be divided up into several camps of thinking,interputation. His word is word. Hes the same yesterday,today,and forever.
I am influenced by the Holy Spirit and when I read Gods word , thats what molds my piece of clay between the right and left ear.
There are many people who take the above interpretations as absolutely the only correct reading of Revelation. In reality, it is but one of several interpretations that have been considered orthodox throughout church history.

I agree that God's Word is in general very clear. But that begs the question: what is the clear message of Revelation? The answer to that, I believe, is found in the letters to the churches of Asia. Over and over and over again, John tells those Christians to remain faithful to Christ no matter the cost, because eventually Christ wins in the end. Aside from those points, it is not so easy for an audience 2,000 years removed to discern with certainty what all the symbols contained in the book may or may not mean. This is where grace and charity is a must.

In my view--and again this is just my view--there is a much more satisfying way to understand Revelation than the above references. But I don't disrespect those who hold opposing views.
 

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There are many people who take the above interpretations as absolutely the only correct reading of Revelation. In reality, it is but one of several interpretations that have been considered orthodox throughout church history.

I agree that God's Word is in general very clear. But that begs the question: what is the clear message of Revelation? The answer to that, I believe, is found in the letters to the churches of Asia. Over and over and over again, John tells those Christians to remain faithful to Christ no matter the cost, because eventually Christ wins in the end. Aside from those points, it is not so easy for an audience 2,000 years removed to discern with certainty what all the symbols contained in the book may or may not mean. This is where grace and charity is a must.

In my view--and again this is just my view--there is a much more satisfying way to understand Revelation than the above references. But I don't disrespect those who hold opposing views.
I don't disrespect you. I have heard every interpretation imaginable when it comes to the Revelation. My beliefs parallel those of most KJV fundamentalist. There will literally be a rapture, a seven year tribulation period, 21 earthly judgments, an anti-Christ, a mark of the beast, a Judgment Seat of Christ, a Great White Throne judgment, a lake of fire, The Lamb's Book of life, and a Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ. Trust me, these are not symbolic. To believe that they are symbolic, would be completely dismissing the Book and the message it is conveying.
 

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I never knew he laid "hands for healing" on anyone? I listen to his radio broadcast every week. You might be confusing him with someone else. Ravi is an extremely intelligent born again Christian who is of Indian decent. He is one of the most intelligent evangelists I know. Look up RZIM and see if this is the man you are referring to.
yep, I was confusing him with Benny Hinn. My apologies.
 
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