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Wintry Winter 2018-19 Discussion

GaWx said:
Taking a bubble bath with JB and DeeeeTeeee even if it means a 200 year snow in SAV? Nah, I think I’ll pass lol. I love rare southern snow but I don’t love it that much!
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How about if it meant that type of winter AND a Georgia National title AND a Atlanta Falcons SB win? LOL
 
Webberweather53 said:
To the surprise of absolutely no one, JB is going all in on a December 1963 repeat, by far & away the weeniest December on record for the TN Valley as well as AL, MS, and portions of GA.
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He must have had some wine during his bubble bath!? But seriously, aren’t most winter forecasts going with a warm December? And colder last part of winter?
 
Tarheel1 said:
He must have had some wine during his bubble bath!? But seriously, aren’t most winter forecasts going with a warm December? And colder last part of winter?
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For the most part yes, there's a higher chance this year it's not all that warm because we're in a weak El Nino, but there's an overwhelming amount of evidence that the best part of the upcoming winter will likely arrive in a large-scale sense in February.
 
This is more of a banter comment than anything, but I sure hope we don't waste most of January waiting on the cold to set in in February. I'm fine with December being slightly above, if it has to be, but I'm not fond of fiddling away precious prime winter days hoping for a pattern change.
 
Rain Cold said:
This is more of a banter comment than anything, but I sure hope we don't waste most of January waiting on the cold to set in in February. I'm fine with December being slightly above, if it has to be, but I'm not fond of fiddling away precious prime winter days hoping for a pattern change.
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Agreed, not to mention, although I'm much more patient than I used to be, I'm not patient when it comes to Winter weather, hate waiting.....
 
metwannabe said:
Agreed, not to mention, although I'm much more patient than I used to be, I'm not patient when it comes to Winter weather, hate waiting.....
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I'm with you. We get a limited window for cold and snow down here, and it really sucks when it's jammed shut!
 
January is really hard to get a good read on when it comes to ENSO and seasonal forecasting in general because ENSO's modulation of the Northern Annular mode is most prominent in late winter and the month as a whole can still be cold (as evidenced by last year) in some La Ninas and end up blowtorch warm in seemingly amazing large-scale set ups because the initial forcing that institutes changes remotely over the arctic can lead to a warm pattern before more serious cold sets in later in the winter. Odds are we'll be on the cooler side of the distribution in both December & January given the weak or borderline moderate El Nino on the way but it's really up in the air atm. December & February are usually easier to forecast.
 
Rain Cold said:
This is more of a banter comment than anything, but I sure hope we don't waste most of January waiting on the cold to set in in February. I'm fine with December being slightly above, if it has to be, but I'm not fond of fiddling away precious prime winter days hoping for a pattern change.
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Same thing. I am fine with December being normal. I don't really like it warm on Christmas, though. But I'd rather be normal to a little above normal in December and turn colder for January and February. If it gets really cold in December, we know it's not going to last all winter.
 
UK monthly snowfall anoms are out. January is near normal (with more of a BN signal for lower NC and SC) for the SE, December and March are BN, and February is slightly above for the upper SE and back through TX for Feb.
 
Rain Cold said:
This is more of a banter comment than anything, but I sure hope we don't waste most of January waiting on the cold to set in in February. I'm fine with December being slightly above, if it has to be, but I'm not fond of fiddling away precious prime winter days hoping for a pattern change.
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It sure does seem that most of our nino snows are after mid/late Jan. 2015, 2010, 2003, 1987, 1983, 1980, 1978. Though, any snow any time is great so don’t mind waiting until end of Jan.
 
Here's something I'll be looking at to see if we have a true change in pattern this winter (fall for that matter too). Will we ever get rid of the west atlantic ridge? When was the last time we've had lower heights off the east coast?

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SnowNiner said:
Here's something I'll be looking at to see if we have a true change in pattern this winter (fall for that matter too). Will we ever get rid of the west atlantic ridge? When was the last time we've had lower heights off the east coast?

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That will happen when the trough south of Greenland is gone. I was looking at this earlier, the 5-day mean Day 7-12 on the EPS shows no relief...not conducive to long term cold for the month as you can see in the image.

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I don’t know what the hell happened in December of 1963 . But from what Webber and others have posted , if J.B. nails this I will 100 percent slosh in the Tub with him because the general theme from most is December will be above normal temp wise
 
Storm5 said:
I don’t know what the hell happened in December of 1963 . But from what Webber and others have posted , if J.B. nails this I will 100 percent slosh in the Tub with him because the general theme from most is December will be above normal temp wise
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Well, last Dec was above normal in Atlanta and some areas had an epic snowstorm.
 
8CB22C0B-2423-41F8-A5D4-7025BD5E54AD.png Backend loaded winter for Phil. Congrats. Everyone else can break out the sunscreen. In all seriousness though how is a tool like the NMME useful when it just shows 99.9% of the northern hemisphere on fire. There must be something useful to gain from this map. What is it?
 
Snowfan said:
I looked up December 1963, and I found this:
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Only 2” for me? Toss

Bet I can show you exactly where the high pressure was for this one. I’d like to know how much rain fell in MBY before the backend flurries started. I bet it was brutal
 
Snowfan said:
I looked up December 1963, and I found this:
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There was also a Major Storm for parts of Northwest MS and Memphis before Christmas that year. I believe I found a report a couple days ago that stated there was still 10 inches of snow on the ground for Memphis, Christmas Day.
 
Kylo said:
87 still has to be the most painful winter for RDU. Missing back to back mid-Jan winter storms by 20-30 miles. Feb made up for it but still missing 10-15 of snow by that close.
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Yeah this is what I was getting at a few weeks ago, don't get me wrong 86-87 was still a great winter, but that's a common theme you see throughout many (certainly not all) El Nino winters in the historical record. The chances that the Triad cashes in more than RDU (relative to the average of 2-3" or so) is higher than normal during El Nino.
 
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