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That's not what I was saying at all - and 2-3 weeks is in no way a "substantial period of time" for a long-term investor.

Umm yea when you say something along the lines of "wow, the dow has been increasing since the beginning of time nothing to worry about yall!" that's extremely short-sighted & selfish on your part wrt the vast array of businesses that employ hundreds of millions of Americans and depend on the stock market's outcome over this period of time. Dow hasn't been decreasing for just 2-3 weeks, it's more like a month already because we peaked on Feb 12th, and then it's going to take time for us to just break even again, so we're already talking 2-3 months of not significantly increasing, that's a significant period of time for investors as a whole (not just long-term investors) & it's going to affect basically everyone in some way, shape, or form (price of goods, services, etc.). To slide this under the rug as nothing to worry about when you're coming off the worst day for the market in its history by a landslide in terms of total point(s) and you had tripped 2 circuit breakers in the process, that's concerning. Why do you suppose they put those circuit breakers in place in the market? You suppose this is just "normal" market behavior? It's not.




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Umm yea when you say something along the lines of "wow, the dow has been increasing since the beginning of time nothing to worry about yall!" that's extremely short-sighted & selfish on your part wrt the vast array of businesses that employ hundreds of millions of Americans and depend on the stock market's outcome over this period of time. Dow hasn't been decreasing for just 2-3 weeks, it's more like a month already because we peaked on Feb 12th, and then it's going to take time for us to just break even again, so we're already talking 2-3 months of not significantly increasing, that's a significant period of time for investors as a whole (not just long-term investors) & it's going to affect basically everyone in some way, shape, or form (price of goods, services, etc.). To slide this under the rug as nothing to worry about when you're coming off the worst day for the market in its history by a landslide in terms of total point(s) and you had tripped 2 circuit breakers in the process, that's concerning. Why do you suppose they put those circuit breakers in place in the market? You suppose this is just "normal" market behavior? It's not.

I never said it was normal behavior; I was simply saying that people need to take a deep breath and not stress out over hourly fluctuations on any given day of trading.
If significant market declines continue for the next 3-6 months and result in consecutive GDP drops for Q2 and Q3 (which would mean we're in recession) then that is definitely problematic. But we're not even close to that point yet.
 
I never said it was normal behavior; I was simply saying that people need to take a deep breath and not stress out over hourly fluctuations on any given day of trading.
If significant market declines continue for the next 3-6 months and result in consecutive GDP drops for Q2 and Q3 (which would mean we're in recession) then that is definitely problematic. But we're not even close to that point yet.
That's not how stock market crashes work. They don't go down for 3 to 6 MONTHS they do in 3 to 6 WEEKS. We're entering our third week since the peak and it's still dropping relatively. The market is in panic mode and there's nothing that is going to stop them at this point.
 
Long term investment doesn't apply because that's the economic cycle, unless you're retiring in the next 5 years. It's the businesses right now that can't afford to lose money that will be affected the most.

Businesses in sectors such as travel, tourism, and entertainment services are definitely in deep trouble (and most of those are privately held so they don't even register in the capital markets). Nobody is arguing otherwise.

But this forum is about the stock market, which - inherently - should greatly focus on impacts to investors.
 
That's not how stock market crashes work. They don't go down for 3 to 6 MONTHS they do in 3 to 6 WEEKS. We're entering our third week since the peak and it's still dropping relatively. The market is in panic mode and there's nothing that is going to stop them at this point.

That's simply not true - the 2008-09 Dow crash began in Sept. 2008 (when Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy) and continued right through March 2009.
 
I never said it was normal behavior; I was simply saying that people need to take a deep breath and not stress out over hourly fluctuations on any given day of trading.
If significant market declines continue for the next 3-6 months and result in consecutive GDP drops for Q2 and Q3 (which would mean we're in recession) then that is definitely problematic. But we're not even close to that point yet.

Ditto w/ @ForsythSnow's response, market crashes occur in weeks not months, I really don't think you understand how any of this actually works... How is a loss of over 2000 points in one single day superimposed onto an increasingly crappy market that's been already falling for weeks not problematic whatsoever? Do you realize that the "big 5" in tech lost over $300 billion dollars from the Dow losing 2000 points in just one day (& ~8% of their total)? Smh
 
That's simply not true - the 2008-09 Dow crash began in Sept. 2008 (when Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy) and continued right through March 2009.

The overwhelming majority of that crash occurred in a span of just 4-5 weeks from the end of August and thru October, not months, by the end of November the Dow had already fallen to nearly where it would come to rest at the height of the recession.
 
That's not how stock market crashes work. They don't go down for 3 to 6 MONTHS they do in 3 to 6 WEEKS. We're entering our third week since the peak and it's still dropping relatively. The market is in panic mode and there's nothing that is going to stop them at this point.

Housing bubble took 6 months in 2008. From Oct 08' to Mar 09'.

The Tech Bubble started dropping in 2000 and didn't hit bottom until 2002.

I guess the difference is are we talking about a bear market and possible recession or just a correction. If it's just a correction then historically they are shorter. Think Sep 18' to Dec 18' that took 3 months to correct.
 
We should go to flat tax off payroll and be done with it. No more write offs,tax credits,itemizing etc. Set it at 10 to 15%. Business profits flat taxed as well.Do away with all sales taxes. State and local govt should do the same ,flat tax off income. 0 line budget each year. Everyone will see exactly where their money goes and not have their vision fogged up by all the charades, loopholes write offs etc

You make 20,000 a year or 20 mill a year, doesnt matter, everyone pays the same.
 
Housing bubble took 6 months in 2008. From Oct 08' to Mar 09'.

The Tech Bubble started dropping in 2000 and didn't hit bottom until 2002.

I guess the difference is are we talking about a bear market and possible recession or just a correction. If it's just a correction then historically they are shorter. Think Sep 18' to Dec 18' that took 3 months to correct.

IMO, this is simply a correction caused by the Coronavirus....That's all
 
We can blame this crash on the cornovirus and thats true but it really should be blamed on poor supply chain management. Everyone got in bed with china and that 4 to 6 week complete stoppage is what triggered this domino. Hopefully we will learn from this and get back to the ole made in the usa mentality by renogiating all these trade deals. Encourage domestic supply side economics.
 
The overwhelming majority of that crash occurred in a span of just 4-5 weeks from the end of August and thru October, not months, by the end of November the Dow had already fallen to nearly where it would come to rest at the height of the recession.

Again, that's simply not so. The DJIA's decline during the initial phase continued into January of 2009.

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Yes it definitely is so, most of the loss still occurred in just several weeks in 2008. You're clueless.

The market crashed hard in 2008, stabilized for a few months and then fell hard again in the early part of 2009. It seemed to come in two waves with the steepest drop initially, a stabilization and then another significant drop in early 2009 with a low around 6600 (1 week intervals). The first crash from the 11,500 range to 8500 was around a 25-30% drop. The second drop from the 8500 range where things stabilized to around 6600 was a 25% drop in early 2019. Both were 20+ percent drops and significant.

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The overwhelming majority of that crash occurred in a span of just 4-5 weeks from the end of August and thru October, not months, by the end of November the Dow had already fallen to nearly where it would come to rest at the height of the recession.

The Dow stabilized in the 8,000-8,500 range in November and December. It then plunged another 20+ percent in early 2009 but took 3 months to bottom out. It was a slower drop but a steady red market during those 3 months.
 
The Dow stabilized in the 8,000-8,500 range in November and December. It then plunged another 20+ percent in early 2009 but took 3 months to bottom out. It was a slower drop but a steady red market during those 3 months.

My point definitely still remains that those drops occurred in a span of weeks not months. The intervening period doesn't count :)
 
Yes it definitely is so, most of the loss still occurred in just several weeks in 2008. You're clueless.

The market crashed hard in 2008, stabilized for a few months and then fell hard again in the early part of 2009. It seemed to come in two waves with the steepest drop initially, a stabilization and then another significant drop in early 2009 with a low around 6600 (1 week intervals). The first crash from the 11,500 range to 8500 was around a 25-30% drop. The second drop from the 8500 range where things stabilized to around 6600 was a 25% drop in early 2019. Both were 20+ percent drops and significant.

Precisely. Overall, the market decline lasted about six months from when the crisis first began.

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Precisely. Overall, the market decline lasted about six months from when the crisis first began.

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Almost all of the market's decline came over a period of just weeks, the intervening relatively more stable period didn't account for any of the long-term decrease. That's really the point I'm getting at here.
 
The stock market & politics are inseparable from one another, but seeing as you're not a mod here, your opinion of what does and doesn't belong in a thread doesn't really matter anyway.
Hey man what the heck are you attacking me for? I was just pointing out that we have separate threads for the stock market and politics. I have never seen you behave that way.
 
Hey man what the heck are you attacking me for? I was just pointing out that we have separate threads for the stock market and politics. I have never seen you behave that way.

I'm just not sure why you've suddenly decided to get upset over someone's post in this thread regarding how closely linked the stock market is and influenced by politics (esp from Larry/Gawx) because it doesn't perfectly align with your pov.
 
My point definitely still remains that those drops occurred in a span of weeks not months. The intervening period doesn't count :)

Yeah the first drop was about 4-5 weeks, the second drop was slower over 3 months. Either way, hopefully we aren’t heading for another recession and things can stabilize soon!
 
Only to go splat tomorrow. No way it rallies 2 days in a row.

It's down what 15% or so at its lowest from where it was a month ago....that about what a average correction looks like, but this market was way over valued so I see some talk of a 20-25% correction being possible that means 5-10% down from its lowest point yesterday. I agree I think the down days are going to be bigger than the up days and we see the slide down continue. There is really no news to indicate any reason for the market to have big rallies.
 
Some folks have their fingers crossed this slide will continue, deepen. I think by mid May into the summer we see alot of this recovered.

I do, I do. But it's because I'm literally investing that it declines. I have been since October 19' though. So I'd been getting killed for quite a while before the downturn started. I'd love to see another 20 - 25% down in the market to get back to good value. Then ride the train back up whenever this mess stops. I'm planning for a bumpy ride though through the election at least.
 
We’ve lost basically all the gains we made yesterday with the Dow posting -1000. Our volatility is nearly on par with the 2008-09 economic crisis. Absolutely no way I’d throw my money at short-medium term investments atm.
 
Looking for a good entry point in Boeing. It's down 53% from it's high 1 year ago. (which means when it gets back there you make 100% if investing today) I'd LOVE to see it get down in $150 range.
 
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