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Same thing over here.We have heard drought begets drought and if you look at where the small pop ups in Eastern NC have been its almost exactly over areas that have been having persistent rains.
So is the winter battle zone a battle between cold rain and mild rain?Since its so hot, probably 120 on the RDU Al Gore Runway themometer. This will cool you off. Copy and paste winter pre season forecast. We are only 100 days away as the crow flies,for the average first killing frost here imby. Hang in there.
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I believe it. Here 3 of the last 5 years have had a flood/drought cycle all summer. We’re supposed to get a majority of our JJA precip from seabreeze storms propagating inland. The last 4 summers especially they seem to pop up 5-8 miles inland and die instead of moving westward until they run out of steam around the Little Pee Dee river 35 or so miles inland. Old timers blame the excessive land clearing for homes and the limestone mines. I don’t personally know why it’s like this now because Brunswick county has a lot of clearing and still gets reliable seabreeze storms but they also have the confluence that keeps them going. The 701 corridor from just north of Conway through Loris is the highest part of the county at 100-125’ and we have different soils than east or west of that topographical “spine.” Whatever is causing it is enormously frustrating.We have heard drought begets drought and if you look at where the small pop ups in Eastern NC have been its almost exactly over areas that have been having persistent rains.
I’ll have to dig up some info from KFLO in Florence because they had a similar issue some years back. The surface and buildings were modified around the sensor until one day it got noticed. It read high for months if not a couple of years.I discovered the concern with RDU appearing to be too hot on sunny summer afternoons only recently based on others posting about it here and elsewhere. I also started posted about this at American, where I just got this reply:
“It was 98 yesterday at the Southeast Regional Climate Center in a shady, tree-filled, low-density part of Chapel Hill, but carry on kvetching about the RDU temperatures. Pretty sure the SERCC knows how to reliably measure temperature.”
Does this person have a valid point about Chapel Hill? I need help on this because being in GA I’m likely not as familiar with RDU’s station as many of you and I know nothing about Chapel Hill. I had already posted there the Brad P. tweet about it potentially being a “surroundings” issue as opposed to a “sensor” issue. He has not addressed what Brad said and instead appears to be ignoring that.
I’m not trying to take sides. I’m not anti-RDU. I just enjoy stat based analyses and there’s evidence imho that their may really be a warm bias at RDU. I’m not thinking it’s intentional (conspiracy). Why would it be? I’m just trying to look at this as objectively as possible.
So, I would appreciate any help based on factual evidence, especially from those of y’all from the RDU area.
Please tell me more about Brad P., who I know also isn’t in the RDU area. Do y’all like him? Is he well respected for objective fact based analyses? Does anyone think he has a hidden agenda? Has he had a beef with RDU before? Does him not being in RDU weaken his argument? TIA
Brad does give good objective analysis, though he can sometimes speak in absolutes a little too early and it’s come back to bite him. He did post last week a side by side picture of where RDU’s sensor is compared to CLT’s… CLT has it in a open field with no pavement while RDU’s has pavement close byI discovered the concern with RDU appearing to be too hot on sunny summer afternoons only recently based on others posting about it here and elsewhere. I also started posted about this at American, where I just got this reply:
“It was 98 yesterday at the Southeast Regional Climate Center in a shady, tree-filled, low-density part of Chapel Hill, but carry on kvetching about the RDU temperatures. Pretty sure the SERCC knows how to reliably measure temperature.”
Does this person have a valid point about Chapel Hill? I need help on this because being in GA I’m likely not as familiar with RDU’s station as many of you and I know nothing about Chapel Hill. I had already posted there the Brad P. tweet about it potentially being a “surroundings” issue as opposed to a “sensor” issue. He has not addressed what Brad said and instead appears to be ignoring that.
I’m not trying to take sides. I’m not anti-RDU. I just enjoy stat based analyses and there’s evidence imho that there may really be a warm bias at RDU. I’m not thinking it’s intentional (conspiracy). Why would it be? I’m just trying to look at this as objectively as possible.
So, I would appreciate any help based on factual evidence, especially from those of y’all from the RDU area.
Please tell me more about Brad P., who I know also isn’t in the RDU area. Do y’all like him? Is he well respected for objective fact based analyses? Does anyone think he has a hidden agenda? Has he had a beef with RDU before? Does him not being in RDU weaken his argument? TIA
Brad does give good objective analysis, though he can sometimes speak in absolutes a little too early and it’s come back to bite him. He did post last week a side by side picture of where RDU’s sensor is compared to CLT’s… CLT has it in a open field with no pavement while RDU’s has pavement close by
Typically this issue at RDU happened on SW or W wind days which would mean the wind is over the runway and potentially the rental car lots and aviation parkway. That to me meant that it's an issue of the heat from those surfaces getting blown towards the sensor. But recently the same issue has happened with S and SE wind which is far less likely to be impacted by asphalt.I discovered the concern with RDU appearing to be too hot on sunny summer afternoons only recently based on others posting about it here and elsewhere. I also started posted about this at American, where I just got this reply:
“It was 98 yesterday at the Southeast Regional Climate Center in a shady, tree-filled, low-density part of Chapel Hill, but carry on kvetching about the RDU temperatures. Pretty sure the SERCC knows how to reliably measure temperature.”
Does this person have a valid point about Chapel Hill? I need help on this because being in GA I’m likely not as familiar with RDU’s station as many of you and I know nothing about Chapel Hill. I had already posted there the Brad P. tweet about it potentially being a “surroundings” issue as opposed to a “sensor” issue. He has not addressed what Brad said and instead appears to be ignoring that.
I’m not trying to take sides. I’m not anti-RDU. I just enjoy stat based analyses and there’s evidence imho that there may really be a warm bias at RDU. I’m not thinking it’s intentional (conspiracy). Why would it be? I’m just trying to look at this as objectively as possible.
So, I would appreciate any help based on factual evidence, especially from those of y’all from the RDU area.
Please tell me more about Brad P., who I know also isn’t in the RDU area. Do y’all like him? Is he well respected for objective fact based analyses? Does anyone think he has a hidden agenda? Has he had a beef with RDU before? Does him not being in RDU weaken his argument? TIA
Yeah I actually got up to 103 on the 5th which was only a degree off the highest I’ve recorded since I moved into this house in 2010. If I’m not mistaken that was the day RDU recorded 106 which seems high but it wasn’t way over all the other areas in the stateI saw that CLT RDU comparison (also a building nearby?) and thought it was a great tweet. So, I also posted that there. Someone there also posted this a couple of days ago:
“ The new runway is also going up right where the station is. I wonder if anymore vegetation has been removed or if there is any construction equipment nearby.”
Then he just posted this:
“Going back to my comment about runway construction at RDU, here's a sat photo from 06/08. Compared to the Google Maps satellite photo, there is some significant tree/forest removal going on in the area. The station is circled in red:
For what it's worth I recorded 101.9 for a high on 07/05.”
The dam will break eventually. We got 3.05” last night and another .17” today.Same thing over here.
I was speculating earlier in the thread that it seems the seabreeze races inland and fires north of me probably due to how hot inland areas have been. Seems to really help that seabreeze race inland and away from the typically favored coastal areas.I believe it. Here 3 of the last 5 years have had a flood/drought cycle all summer. We’re supposed to get a majority of our JJA precip from seabreeze storms propagating inland. The last 4 summers especially they seem to pop up 5-8 miles inland and die instead of moving westward until they run out of steam around the Little Pee Dee river 35 or so miles inland. Old timers blame the excessive land clearing for homes and the limestone mines. I don’t personally know why it’s like this now because Brunswick county has a lot of clearing and still gets reliable seabreeze storms but they also have the confluence that keeps them going. The 701 corridor from just north of Conway through Loris is the highest part of the county at 100-125’ and we have different soils than east or west of that topographical “spine.” Whatever is causing it is enormously frustrating.
For what it's worth I've seen sustained 15mph gusting to 20mph and my station is in the middle of a grass field so no wind tunnel effect. Purely from the seabreeze and I'm 20 miles inland. Sometimes I'll look at the radar and see the seabreeze line almost to Dillon by 6pm which is nuts.I was speculating earlier in the thread that it seems the seabreeze races inland and fires north of me probably due to how hot inland areas have been. Seems to really help that seabreeze race inland and away from the typically favored coastal areas.
It's not only Brad Panovich who is a well respected meteorologist that has commented on the temperature readings at KRDU. Greg Fishel who is still a household name even after his retirement when it comes to TV weather forecasting in the Triangle area has also expressed his doubts about some of the record highs recorded at KRDU recently.I discovered the concern with RDU appearing to be too hot on sunny summer afternoons only recently based on others posting about it here and elsewhere. I also started posted about this at American, where I just got this reply:
“It was 98 yesterday at the Southeast Regional Climate Center in a shady, tree-filled, low-density part of Chapel Hill, but carry on kvetching about the RDU temperatures. Pretty sure the SERCC knows how to reliably measure temperature.”
Does this person have a valid point about Chapel Hill? I need help on this because being in GA I’m likely not as familiar with RDU’s station as many of you and I know nothing about Chapel Hill. I had already posted there the Brad P. tweet about it potentially being a “surroundings” issue as opposed to a “sensor” issue. He has not addressed what Brad said and instead appears to be ignoring that.
I’m not trying to take sides. I’m not anti-RDU. I just enjoy stat based analyses and there’s evidence imho that there may really be a warm bias at RDU. I’m not thinking it’s intentional (conspiracy). Why would it be? I’m just trying to look at this as objectively as possible.
So, I would appreciate any help based on factual evidence, especially from those of y’all from the RDU area.
Please tell me more about Brad P., who I know also isn’t in the RDU area. Do y’all like him? Is he well respected for objective fact based analyses? Does anyone think he has a hidden agenda? Has he had a beef with RDU before? Does him not being in RDU weaken his argument? TIA
We get put in the Winter Battle Zone every year on these maps, whatever that means (basically nothing).Since its so hot, probably 120 on the RDU Al Gore Runway themometer. This will cool you off. Copy and paste winter pre season forecast. We are only 100 days away as the crow flies,for the average first killing frost here imby. Hang in there.
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What’s strange is that usually RDU is no more than a few degrees warmer than GSO, sometimes even cooler. This month RDU has been warmer every single day and the average high is a full 6 degrees warmer than GSO. RDU is even running warmer than FAY, which is insane. Maybe it’s just a long string of coincidences, but it’s very odd.I discovered the concern with RDU appearing to be too hot on sunny summer afternoons only recently based on others posting about it here and elsewhere. I also started posted about this at American, where I just got this reply:
“It was 98 yesterday at the Southeast Regional Climate Center in a shady, tree-filled, low-density part of Chapel Hill, but carry on kvetching about the RDU temperatures. Pretty sure the SERCC knows how to reliably measure temperature.”
Does this person have a valid point about Chapel Hill? I need help on this because being in GA I’m likely not as familiar with RDU’s station as many of you and I know nothing about Chapel Hill. I had already posted there the Brad P. tweet about it potentially being a “surroundings” issue as opposed to a “sensor” issue. He has not addressed what Brad said and instead appears to be ignoring that.
I’m not trying to take sides. I’m not anti-RDU. I just enjoy stat based analyses and there’s evidence imho that there may really be a warm bias at RDU. I’m not thinking it’s intentional (conspiracy). Why would it be? I’m just trying to look at this as objectively as possible.
So, I would appreciate any help based on factual evidence, especially from those of y’all from the RDU area.
Please tell me more about Brad P., who I know also isn’t in the RDU area. Do y’all like him? Is he well respected for objective fact based analyses? Does anyone think he has a hidden agenda? Has he had a beef with RDU before? Does him not being in RDU weaken his argument? TIA