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Wintry 1/7/17-1/10/17 Winter Storm

Storm5 link said:
There are some MASSIVE gefs members on the 00z run

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What service are you getting those members from so fast?  I am on WXBell and still stuck at day 5 - 1/2 on my end :/
 
Us folks in Birmingham can't buy a snowstorm at least once... I'm sorry everyone I just want my kids to see snow this year
 
Shawn link said:
[quote author=Storm5 link=topic=80.msg5240#msg5240 date=1483161309]
There are some MASSIVE gefs members on the 00z run

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What service are you getting those members from so fast?  I am on WXBell and still stuck at day 5 - 1/2 on my end :/
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I'm out to day 7.5 wxbell

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Snowaddict28 link said:
Us folks in Birmingham can't buy a snowstorm at least once... I'm sorry everyone I just want my kids to see snow this year

So do I. The last couple of seasons have been trash.
 
Snow_Chaser link said:
[quote author=olhausen link=topic=80.msg5221#msg5221 date=1483160186]
This has got to be one of the best runs ever board wide.
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I know it can and probably will change a bunch between now and go time, but it's not a great run for those of us near I-20.
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I-20 in my neck of the woods may beg to differ.


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Storm5 link said:
so there are hit, complete misses and cutters on the gefs

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Go big or go home.
 
If ice like that verifies, that would be devastating to metro ATL.  We all know from previous years that the cities/towns in the metro are notoriously ill-prepared for winter weather.
 
Usually when there's a big storm models will lose it and show something crazy only to bring it back. And most of time but not all time when they come back, we end up with a storm. Were starting to get into that window where things are getting serious now. Just a few days ago the GFS was showing pretty much this same setup with enormous totals. Then it lost it, and now its back with the enormous totals again. I would not be surprised at all now to see other models start following suite to this.
 
Bsudweather link said:
Usually when there's a big storm models will lose it and show something crazy only to bring it back. And most of time but not all time when they come back, we end up with a storm. Were starting to get into that window where things are getting serious now. Just a few days ago the GFS was showing pretty much this same setup with enormous totals. Then it lost it, and now its back with the enormous totals again. I would not be surprised at all now to see other models start following suite to this.

Yeah, lot of time to go, but you are right about them losing storms and brining them back again. Just shows how much potential there is with this thing. And we might not know exactly what will happen until it starts happening the way this one has been. All over the place on the runs the last two days.
 
Bsudweather link said:
Usually when there's a big storm models will lose it and show something crazy only to bring it back. And most of time but not all time when they come back, we end up with a storm. Were starting to get into that window where things are getting serious now. Just a few days ago the GFS was showing pretty much this same setup with enormous totals. Then it lost it, and now its back with the enormous totals again. I would not be surprised at all now to see other models start following suite to this.

Good pattern recognition. But IDK if that's a very good way to look at it. The models have completely changed their h5 projections for the entire runs to something different than any run, even the runs earlier this week. The pattern it shows now is just admirable compared to any it's shown before..

GEFS individual members show everything really, from cutters to 10" snowstorms... but I am just happy about the general h5 projection setup following suite on every single model this run. Crazy to see all of the models shifting at once!
 
the misses on the gefs are crush city . energy gets crushed by the dominating northern stream

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Shawn link said:
[quote author=Storm5 link=topic=80.msg5240#msg5240 date=1483161309]
There are some MASSIVE gefs members on the 00z run

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What service are you getting those members from so fast?  I am on WXBell and still stuck at day 5 - 1/2 on my end :/
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Told ya not to give up yet, Shawn....lol.

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Just got off work and wow...what the h*** happened at H5, this doesn't even look like the same models lol.

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In 2001, NCEP had a note about using the UKMET over the phase happy GFS to make sure it was onto something (gfs phasing southern energy/northern).  I can not be sure exactly what the UKMET has been showing that far out due to my limited maps of it, but others have said it has been the lone model with a colder, more surpressed/slower solution.  Tonight, it came in even colder.

I do not know if the 2001 note about using UKMET over GFS is still valid, but it's interesting nonetheless.  I'd like to also note that the UKMET has been known to be a precursor of the Euro (although Euro was completely different today at 12z)
 
GFS give me at Huntsville a Thunderstorm and 34 next Sat night at 6PM...good grief
192 01/08 00Z  34     34      57      5    0.54  0.05    544    558    3.4 -20.4 1018.1 100 -TSRA 021OVC088 112BKN198 228SCT300  34    33  0.0
 
Bsudweather link said:
Usually when there's a big storm models will lose it and show something crazy only to bring it back. And most of time but not all time when they come back, we end up with a storm. Were starting to get into that window where things are getting serious now. Just a few days ago the GFS was showing pretty much this same setup with enormous totals. Then it lost it, and now its back with the enormous totals again. I would not be surprised at all now to see other models start following suite to this.
The GFS showed something similar before Christmas on one of it's runs and then lost it of course. Seems that sometimes the GFS goes back to what it originally showed week(s) later. The more models come on board with this setup and if they stay that way, we'll be looking at a major winter storm in the coming days. 

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Stormlover link said:
GFS give me at Huntsville a Thunderstorm and 34 next Sat night at 6PM...good grief
192 01/08 00Z  34     34      57      5    0.54  0.05    544    558    3.4 -20.4 1018.1 100 -TSRA 021OVC088 112BKN198 228SCT300  34    33  0.0
So, so, close! Dang it!  :'(
 
Crap map, no inbetween that show much..  but here is tonight's UKMET (notice the low off the NC coast not nearly as strong as GFS OP one would guess with it):

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Stormlover link said:
GFS give me at Huntsville a Thunderstorm and 34 next Sat night at 6PM...good grief
192 01/08 00Z  34     34      57      5    0.54  0.05    544    558    3.4 -20.4 1018.1 100 -TSRA 021OVC088 112BKN198 228SCT300  34    33  0.0
Gulf lows and Gulf coastal lows can produce some strong instability.

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NorthGAWinterWx link said:
[quote author=Bsudweather link=topic=80.msg5252#msg5252 date=1483161676]
Usually when there's a big storm models will lose it and show something crazy only to bring it back. And most of time but not all time when they come back, we end up with a storm. Were starting to get into that window where things are getting serious now. Just a few days ago the GFS was showing pretty much this same setup with enormous totals. Then it lost it, and now its back with the enormous totals again. I would not be surprised at all now to see other models start following suite to this.
The GFS showed something similar before Christmas on one of it's runs and then lost it of course. Seems that sometimes the GFS goes back to what it originally showed week(s) later. The more models come on board with this setup and if they stay that way, we'll be looking at a major winter storm in the coming days. 

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And the GFS had this solution on the 12z Wednesday..... Look familiar?
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Shawn link said:
Crap map, no inbetween that show much..  but here is tonight's UKMET (notice the low off the NC coast not nearly as strong as GFS OP one would guess with it):

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That's only hr 144. The system GFS is showing is like 180hr.
 
If the GFS played out verbatim, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Chattanooga lol...  .5" to .75" of freezing rain with 5" to 8" of snow...city would be crippled. Absolutely crazy.


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Cary_Snow95 link said:
[quote author=NorthGAWinterWx link=topic=80.msg5263#msg5263 date=1483162297]
[quote author=Bsudweather link=topic=80.msg5252#msg5252 date=1483161676]
Usually when there's a big storm models will lose it and show something crazy only to bring it back. And most of time but not all time when they come back, we end up with a storm. Were starting to get into that window where things are getting serious now. Just a few days ago the GFS was showing pretty much this same setup with enormous totals. Then it lost it, and now its back with the enormous totals again. I would not be surprised at all now to see other models start following suite to this.
The GFS showed something similar before Christmas on one of it's runs and then lost it of course. Seems that sometimes the GFS goes back to what it originally showed week(s) later. The more models come on board with this setup and if they stay that way, we'll be looking at a major winter storm in the coming days. 

gfs_mslp_pcpn_frzn_us_44.png

And the GFS had this solution on the 12z Wednesday..... Look familiar?
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No it's a totally different setup shown now.
 
NorthGAWinterWx link said:
[quote author=Stormlover link=topic=80.msg5261#msg5261 date=1483162212]
GFS give me at Huntsville a Thunderstorm and 34 next Sat night at 6PM...good grief
192 01/08 00Z  34     34      57      5    0.54  0.05    544    558    3.4 -20.4 1018.1 100 -TSRA 021OVC088 112BKN198 228SCT300  34    33  0.0
Gulf lows and Gulf coastal lows can produce some strong instability.

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And that also can rob moisture from winter storms as well.
 
UKMET has probably been the most consistent with its runs the last couple of days, too.
 
bouncycorn link said:
[quote author=Shawn link=topic=80.msg5265#msg5265 date=1483162409]
Crap map, no inbetween that show much..  but here is tonight's UKMET (notice the low off the NC coast not nearly as strong as GFS OP one would guess with it):

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That's only hr 144. The system GFS is showing is like 180hr.
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Thanks, getting my zulu confused as usual.
 
Shawn link said:
Crap map, no inbetween that show much..  but here is tonight's UKMET (notice the low off the NC coast not nearly as strong as GFS OP one would guess with it):

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I'd be surprised if anything survived that look. Looks cold and northern stream dominate

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Ukie a lot of times is a good precursor to what the Euro is gonna try to do.

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Bsudweather link said:
Usually when there's a big storm models will lose it and show something crazy only to bring it back. And most of time but not all time when they come back, we end up with a storm. Were starting to get into that window where things are getting serious now. Just a few days ago the GFS was showing pretty much this same setup with enormous totals. Then it lost it, and now its back with the enormous totals again. I would not be surprised at all now to see other models start following suite to this.

There was already a big winter storm shown in the southeast during this time period about 2 and a half days ago on the models. It was lost after two runs and now this is that winter storm threat returning to the models.

Some areas might not get much, but usually its good news if a wintry solution comes back in the southeast.
 
bouncycorn link said:
[quote author=Cary_Snow95 link=topic=80.msg5267#msg5267 date=1483162510]
[quote author=NorthGAWinterWx link=topic=80.msg5263#msg5263 date=1483162297]
[quote author=Bsudweather link=topic=80.msg5252#msg5252 date=1483161676]
Usually when there's a big storm models will lose it and show something crazy only to bring it back. And most of time but not all time when they come back, we end up with a storm. Were starting to get into that window where things are getting serious now. Just a few days ago the GFS was showing pretty much this same setup with enormous totals. Then it lost it, and now its back with the enormous totals again. I would not be surprised at all now to see other models start following suite to this.
The GFS showed something similar before Christmas on one of it's runs and then lost it of course. Seems that sometimes the GFS goes back to what it originally showed week(s) later. The more models come on board with this setup and if they stay that way, we'll be looking at a major winter storm in the coming days. 

gfs_mslp_pcpn_frzn_us_44.png

And the GFS had this solution on the 12z Wednesday..... Look familiar?
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No it's a totally different setup shown now.
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I should have said, the placement of the low is similar, not excact setup.

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NorthGAWinterWx link said:
[quote author=bouncycorn link=topic=80.msg5271#msg5271 date=1483162584]
[quote author=Cary_Snow95 link=topic=80.msg5267#msg5267 date=1483162510]
[quote author=NorthGAWinterWx link=topic=80.msg5263#msg5263 date=1483162297]
[quote author=Bsudweather link=topic=80.msg5252#msg5252 date=1483161676]
Usually when there's a big storm models will lose it and show something crazy only to bring it back. And most of time but not all time when they come back, we end up with a storm. Were starting to get into that window where things are getting serious now. Just a few days ago the GFS was showing pretty much this same setup with enormous totals. Then it lost it, and now its back with the enormous totals again. I would not be surprised at all now to see other models start following suite to this.
The GFS showed something similar before Christmas on one of it's runs and then lost it of course. Seems that sometimes the GFS goes back to what it originally showed week(s) later. The more models come on board with this setup and if they stay that way, we'll be looking at a major winter storm in the coming days. 

gfs_mslp_pcpn_frzn_us_44.png

And the GFS had this solution on the 12z Wednesday..... Look familiar?
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No it's a totally different setup shown now.
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I should have said, the placement of the low is similar, not excact setup.

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Yeah thats all I meant by it
 
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