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Wintry 1/7/17-1/10/17 Winter Storm

The US snow cover extent is the big elephant in the room many are ignoring here, and its fairly atrocious for most of the southern US, minus areas at or well north of the I-40. We can hardly keep the southern extent of the snowpack inside the US/Canadian border &/or south of I-94...

Not only does this feeble snow cover feedback to moderating arctic air masses more quickly on their trek towards the southeastern US (as will occur next week), and setup a natural area of lower-level baroclinicity well to our north, but it has a directly link to the overall height pattern. Since the troposphere is heated largely via conduction at the surface, a dearth of snow cover (which when fresh reflects ~90% of incoming radiation) causes the ground temperatures to warm, therefore more radiation is absorbed @ the surface and conducted/mixed upward through the column, warming the troposphere and raising the height field... This physical concept is supported by the Hyposometric equation which states the thickness in an atmospheric layer are directly proportional to the mean temperature in the layer. Essentially what this means in a nut shell in this instance, less snow cover= warmer surface temps = more heat fluxed upward in the tropospheric column = higher heights/greater thicknesses (even @ 500mb) = stronger SER/storm track lifts northward. It's all connected... Definitely won't be impossible for us to get a canonical southern slider here, but the piss-poor snow cover is making it significantly less likely...

Oth, if a robust secondary or tertiary area of low pressure were to develop behind this first system (as the GFS/CMC depict with some wintry precip chasing the back end of the frontal boundary and associated (& weak) frontal wave), then that changes everything...
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Tarheel1 link said:
A good reason to not start a thread, for a 7 day+ winter event, especially, when is been trending worse, when models have been trending worse!
Not necessarily, this thread gives us, to discuss in for this time period and not cluttered up the Jan. thread.

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Tarheel1 link said:
A good reason to not start a thread, for a 7 day+ winter event, especially, when is been trending worse, when models have been trending worse!

What trend? There hasn't been any consistency or trend one way or the other. The models are different, and the GFS has had three different solutions it's last three runs.
 
SoutheastRidge link said:
Im surprised anyone was allowed to start a thread for an event over 5 days away. Stupid.

Yes, because it really matters when the thread is started.  ::)
 
SoutheastRidge link said:
Im surprised anyone was allowed to start a thread for an event over 5 days away. Stupid.
come on man, don't take this to serious, lol. It's good that brick started this, this is not a done deal it's a threat. So therefore I think this thread is very reasonable
 
NorthGAWinterWx link said:
[quote author=Tarheel1 link=topic=80.msg4927#msg4927 date=1483121733]
A good reason to not start a thread, for a 7 day+ winter event, especially, when is been trending worse, when models have been trending worse!
Not necessarily, this thread gives us, to discuss in for this time period and not cluttered up the Jan. thread.

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I agree 100% with this. It declutters the main Jan thread, where other things can be discussed. Whether or not it ever amounts to anything is pretty irrelevant imo. Once a system dominates the discussion, it needs to have its own thread imo.

On another note, the 12Z Euro is coning in warmer than the 0Z Euro at 850 mb ahead of any 1/6-1/8 systems. Not looking too good.
 
accu35 link said:
[quote author=SoutheastRidge link=topic=80.msg4929#msg4929 date=1483122353]
Im surprised anyone was allowed to start a thread for an event over 5 days away. Stupid.
come on man, don't take this to serious, lol. It's good that brick started this, this is not a done deal it's a threat. So therefore I think this thread is very reasonable
[/quote] I don't consider anything a threat until we are within 5  days
 
GaWx link said:
[quote author=NorthGAWinterWx link=topic=80.msg4930#msg4930 date=1483122379]
[quote author=Tarheel1 link=topic=80.msg4927#msg4927 date=1483121733]
A good reason to not start a thread, for a 7 day+ winter event, especially, when is been trending worse, when models have been trending worse!
Not necessarily, this thread gives us, to discuss in for this time period and not cluttered up the Jan. thread.

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I agree 100% with this. It is a decluttered of the main Jan thread, where other things can be discussed. Whether or not it ever amounts to anything is pretty irrelevant imo.

On another note, the 12Z Euro is coning in warmer than the 0Z Euro at 850 mb ahead of the 1/7 system. Not looking too good.
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Not good! I don't see a trend at all! :(
 
SoutheastRidge link said:
[quote author=accu35 link=topic=80.msg4934#msg4934 date=1483122573]
[quote author=SoutheastRidge link=topic=80.msg4929#msg4929 date=1483122353]
Im surprised anyone was allowed to start a thread for an event over 5 days away. Stupid.
come on man, don't take this to serious, lol. It's good that brick started this, this is not a done deal it's a threat. So therefore I think this thread is very reasonable
[/quote] I don't consider anything a threat until we are within 5  days
[/quote] well actually we are in a threat if you consider the areas NW of us. There a good 5/6 days away
 
I don't see why some people are flipping out over OP runs. We went from a great track, to suppression, to cutter. The ensembles have showed each of these outcomes to a certain extent for awhile. The GEFS mean really hasn't changed much lol

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slow evolution which is good but the initial cold press isn't enough . it's gonna develop a way here in a few so we will see where it goes

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tellicowx link said:
I don't see why some people are flipping out over OP runs. We went from a great track, to suppression, to cutter. The ensembles have showed each of these outcomes to a certain extent for awhile. The GEFS mean really hasn't changed much lol

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The GEFS mean shifted considerably northward, the core of the members are now closer to the I-64 corridor vs the I-40 corridor this morning
 
The 12Z Euro has 850's of +10C at ATL vs only +2C on the prior run! Way warmer over the SE US.
 
If there are going to be bad runs, I much rather now then next week
 
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