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Wintry Jan 15-16 Winter Storm Discussion & Obs

Huntsville AFD

So, as mentioned, it now appears that the most likely scenario takes
the core of the strong short wave just to our south as it traverses
the region. This will place the TN Valley region in a more favorable
location for wintry type precipitation, and indeed forecast snowfall
amounts have increased with this forecast package. However, we are
still probably a little conservative with snowfall amounts due to
model output changes and run-to-run inconsistencies. Nevertheless,
the trend is clear, and with better model agreement with the latest
00Z guidance suite on the placement of large scale features, this
lends increasing confidence in snowfall across the area. In addition,
given the latest suite of operational guidance, it appears that some
banding of snow and heavier snowfall rates could occur along a mid-
lvl TROWAL along the northern flank of the upr low. The exact
placement of this feature and the better, enhanced dynamic lift
associated with it are still a bit uncertain, but a reasonable
scenario does place it at least for a time across our southern Middle
TN counties and perhaps along the TN/AL border area. So, there are
still a lot of details to work out and honestly, this will probably
be an ongoing process right up until Sunday.

Anyway, rain appears likely to change over to snow generally from
W-E on Sunday morning and into the early afternoon (although timing
refinement will still occur). Given the prospects for strong dynamic
lift and even convective potential, snowfall rates could be
moderate/heavy along a band north of the low and would be sufficient
to produce accumulating snow. The best chances for this again will
occur along/near the TN border and in southern Middle TN. Current
forecast snowfall amounts there have prompted the issuance of a
Winter Storm Watch, which will go from 06Z Sunday to 00Z Monday.
But, if current model output trends hold, then the Watch may need to
be expanded to other counties in northern AL. Quite a bit of
adjustments were needed for NBM output and forecast highs were
adjusted to between the 10th-25th percentiles for Sunday, which
seemed more fitting given the strong dynamic/column cooling and
precipitation-laden scenario. Temperatures will probably be in the
30s all day, and will likely fall in the afternoon as CAA takes place
and winds back around from the N behind the departing system.
Snowfall may continue into the early evening, especially for eastern
locations. With regards to snowfall totals, we currently have amounts
less than one inch for valley locations in N Alabama, with amounts
ranging from around one inch to 3 inches in TN...and yet higher
amounts on some of the highest elevations of the plateau. But again,
these amounts are really preliminary and significant revisions are
still likely...so keep abreast of the latest forecast updates.
 
Watch expanding south.. Jackson, Pickens and Madison county added to watch




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6z GFS is futherest east with its inland track through NC, than it has been

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Watch expanding south.. Jackson, Pickens and Madison county added to watch




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I think the counties shown were all under one yesterday evening. Cherokee, Forsyth, Gwinnett, Barrow, and Clarke should probably be added soon. Everyone else will probably just have a WWA.
 
I know Pickens was just added and I don’t remember seeing Madison and Jackson on list but I could be wrong. Yea I think by 4 today it’ll expand.


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With it being closer to the time everything arrives do models still have enough time to change drastically or in this range is it pretty close to what the outcome will be?
 
With it being closer to the time everything arrives do models still have enough time to change drastically or in this range is it pretty close to what the outcome will be?

Weather doesn’t follow what models say.

That said…

Models probably not. But weather is unpredictable and can do whatever it wants. Can’t tell you how many times storms did what they wanted - regardless of model output.

That said, models only get better and better as time goes on.
 
As we know most of these are probably overdone, however, as we also saw with the system back in first part of January, a mature low like this can realize it's full wind potential and with ice on trees..... so even if you knock 10 or so off of these still going to be problematic

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Also, isn't there a point where ice will no longer accrue even if its
I don’t know about that, but to me the biggest thing on the ICE maps is while I think that there will be an area that sees .5-.75” accrual, it will be in a much more narrow corridor than what’s being shown. I really think that northern and western parts of what’s being shown on those maps will see sleet be the dominant precip… and quite bit of it
 
Keeping a close eye on short range models as the day progresses, 3k NAM showing warning criteria for ice accrual pretty far east into the Carolina's
(still zr in most locations at end of it's run)

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So is the precip just to the NW of the darker pink falling as sleet then, since the axis of heavier ZR seems to be further east?
 
Also, isn't there a point where ice will no longer accrue even if its
It there isn't a continuous feed of cold dry air then yes due to latent heat release zr can be self limiting, obviously once temps inch above 32. Also temps around 31 or 32 with heavy rates aren't going to accrue as much either, several factors can affect ice accrual.
 
Keeping a close eye on short range models as the day progresses, 3k NAM showing warning criteria for ice accrual pretty far east into the Carolina's
(still zr in most locations at end of it's run)

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This is still 40-48 hrs out for us....there will be some tweaks down the stretch, whether it be good or bad for us. I still think it corrects south and east some as the models really turn the corner fast with this storm....this seems overdone to me. Also the globals are usually to quick to kill the wedge and we are already seeing hints ( 3k Nam ) that the wedge may hold longer etc....all in all I think I get more than what the models show but not nearly enough to get excited over.....not really a fan of ice storms, a little in the trees is nice to look at but beyond that its just the most useless winter ptype ever so less is fine with me.....
 
Thanks. So many models are really showing very little sleet so this is interesting to see on the 3k.
If you look at soundings as opposed to just the snowfall maps I think you will see many models are actually in fact showing quite a bit of IP.
 
As we know most of these are probably overdone, however, as we also saw with the system back in first part of January, a mature low like this can realize it's full wind potential and with ice on trees..... so even if you knock 10 or so off of these still going to be problematic

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Any idea how these models performed with the last storm? I feel like the nws was way under while we got those 40 to 50 mph gusts while they called for weaker.
 
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