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For a fringe guy he sure does hold a lot of high ranking positions and has been awarded by very credible groups like NASA and the AMS.



I am still trying to figure out how DR. Roy Spencer is a "fringe" scientist?


I hate to break it to both of you but someone that works for multiple right wing think tanks isn't a credible source of information and is merely pushing his own political agenda.

Other professional affiliations: Dr. Spencer is on the board of directors of the George C. Marshall Institute, a right-wing conservative think tank on scientific issues and public policy. He listed as an expert for the Heartland Institute, a libertarian American public policy think tank.

If you're also talking about the same guy that said in 2012 he believed we'd see "very little warming in the future", to come only to find out the next several years would successively be the warmest on record by a substantial margin, he's not being taken seriously by most of the climate community, including myself.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/26/dr-roy-spencer-on-foxs-john-stossel-show/
 
I hate to break it to both of you but someone that works for multiple right wing think tanks isn't a credible source of information and is merely pushing his own political agenda.

Other professional affiliations: Dr. Spencer is on the board of directors of the George C. Marshall Institute, a right-wing conservative think tank on scientific issues and public policy. He listed as an expert for the Heartland Institute, a libertarian American public policy think tank.

If you're also talking about the same guy that said in 2012 he believed we'd see "very little warming in the future", to come only to find out the next several years would successively be the warmest on record by a substantial margin, he's not being taken seriously by most of the climate community, including myself.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/26/dr-roy-spencer-on-foxs-john-stossel-show/
How is that any different from all the leftist scientists working in leftist groups ? Don’t be a hypocrite .
 
How is that any different from all the leftist scientists working in leftist groups ? Don’t be a hypocrite .
This is a very easy formula to understand. Anybody who doesn't buy the doomsday climate change "science" 100% is a dumb, Christian, right-wing Trump-supporting nutbag. It doesn't matter how many degrees they have, how many awards they've received, how long they've been in the field, how much research they've done, how many papers they've had published, or anything else.

On the other hand, a nice, upstanding, left-leaning individual who is merely thinking about taking a physical science class is an expert on climate change and has the authority to smear and besmirch anyone on the other side, no questions asked.
 
This is a very easy formula to understand. Anybody who doesn't buy the doomsday climate change "science" 100% is a dumb, Christian, right-wing Trump-supporting nutbag. It doesn't matter how many degrees they have, how many awards they've received, how long they've been in the field, how much research they've done, how many papers they've had published, or anything else.

On the other hand, a nice, upstanding, left-leaning individual who is merely thinking about taking a physical science class is an expert on climate change and has the authority to smear and besmirch anyone on the other side, no questions asked.

Another god awful, ignorant, classless take that’s completely out of touch with reality. Imagine being so naive to think you actually know more than a climate scientist that’s spent their entire career studying climate change and barely scraping the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet. But hey I guess you stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night so that automatically makes you an expert on this topic. Having actually been in the field, the reality is climate scientists aren’t rich, for the most part at least save a few. The overwhelming majority are honest, tenured college professors at small universities, most of which don’t get paid terribly well and have no reason to push any agenda whatsoever. I would know since I chose not to partake in said career path because it would almost certainly mean I’d be poor the rest of my life.
 
Another god awful, ignorant, classless take that’s completely out of touch with reality. Imagine being so naive to think you actually know more than a climate scientist that’s spent their entire career studying climate change and barely scraping the bottom of the barrel to make ends meet. But hey I guess you stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night so that automatically makes you an expert on this topic. Having actually been in the field, the reality is climate scientists aren’t rich, for the most part at least save a few. The overwhelming majority are honest, tenured college professors at small universities, most of which don’t get paid terribly well and have no reason to push any agenda whatsoever. I would know since I chose not to partake in said career path because it would almost certainly mean I’d be poor the rest of my life.
Instead of a paragraph here is a video representing my sentiments on your post.


 
Instead of a paragraph here is a video representing my sentiments on your post.




Sorry, but the truth hurts. Quite frankly, idk why everyone seems so inclined to turn everything into an elaborate "us vs them" conspiracy theory. I've seen more than enough in the field of climate science to know what actually goes on, despite what your favorite news outlet, politician, or facebook would tell you. ?‍♂️
 
Sorry, but the truth hurts. Quite frankly, idk why everyone seems so inclined to turn everything into an elaborate "us vs them" conspiracy theory. I've seen more than enough in the field of climate science to know what actually goes on, despite what your favorite news outlet, politician, or facebook would tell you. ?‍♂️
I actually form my opinions without the news . I don’t read the news . If I read anything climate related it’s a book from the library . I’ve read a bunch , read the one about the sea ice from the guy in Oxford right when it was published and a ton of books by paleo climatologists / geologists . You want to see how pointless it is to worry about earth changing ? Read about the past from those guys , what we are seeing today is child’s play.
 
Don't change the subject. The question was about Dr Roy Spencer and his credibility.

My understanding from what I’ve read is that Dr Spencer does believe in AGW just as Judith Curry does. What they’re against are the extreme predictions of many models as well as hype. Does this assessment sound about right?
 
My understanding from what I’ve read is that Dr Spencer does believe in AGW just as Judith Curry does. What they’re against are the extreme predictions of many models as well as hype. Does this assessment sound about right?
Yep. But when you realize that he is a conservative, his credibility plummets.
 
I actually form my opinions without the news . I don’t read the news . If I read anything climate related it’s a book from the library . I’ve read a bunch , read the one about the sea ice from the guy in Oxford right when it was published and a ton of books by paleo climatologists / geologists . You want to see how pointless it is to worry about earth changing ? Read about the past form those guys , what we are seeing today is child’s play.

I would strongly suggest opening up your mind for once and reading through an IPCC report. You don't need to read the policy recommendation section which is largely political ( I for one do not), you'll legitimately learn a lot from the meteorology, which is hundreds and hundreds of pages. It's more akin to encyclopedia on climate than it is a political doctrine that some naively believe If you have questions about certain claims, there's more than enough literature cited for you to scrutinize and dig in for yourself. It's hard to have an intelligent conversation with anyone in here when nobody wants to put forth any effort to open up their mind and educate themselves on a topic they have such a strong opinion on.
 
My understanding from what I’ve read is that Dr Spencer does believe in AGW just as Judith Curry does. What they’re against are the extreme predictions of many models as well as hype. Does this assessment sound about right?

Dr Roy Spencer works for the Heartland Institute and George C Marshall Institute, both of which are right wing think tanks, he has a political agenda to fulfill.

Yep. But when you realize that he is a conservative, his credibility plummets.

You mean to tell me someone that works for multiple political organizations on a topic as polarizing as climate change couldn't possibly be biased in any particular way to tout an opinion that supports a narrow political world view? Big if true.

Man, as much as people in here like to scream and holler about climate scientists (many of which too have a Dr. in front of their name, have published just as much or more papers than Spencer and have won far more awards (which apparently according to Rain Cold's previous post automatically makes u immune of scrutiny) having political agendas and being in bed w/ politicians, Dr Spencer is actually the very epitome of that.
 
Tell me you have a political agenda without telling me you have a political agenda.


* George C. Marshall Institute. Dr. Spencer currently serves as a director at the George C. Marshall Institute, an Arlington, Va.-based nonprofit that receives substantial funding from oil and gas interests -- including Exxon, which has given the group at least $840,000 since 1998, according to Greenpeace's ExxonSecrets.org database. The Marshall Institute used to restrict its funding to private foundations and individual donors, but in the late 1990s, after it began working to cast doubt on global warming, the group made the decisionto accept money from corporations and their foundations.

* Cornwall Alliance. Dr. Spencer is a member of the board of advisors of the Cornwall Alliance, a conservative Christian public-policy group that promotes a free-market approach to environmental stewardship and whose "Resisting the Green Dragon" campaign portrays the climate-protection movement as a sort of false religion. The Cornwall Alliance has close ties to a conservative policy group called the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), which has received over $580,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998, according to ExxonSecrets.org. Paul Driessen, who played a guiding role in forming the group now known as the Cornwall Alliance, also served as a consultant for ExxonMobil and CFACT, which has also received at least $60,500 from Chevron and $1.28 million from the the foundation of the Scaife family, whose wealth comes in part from Gulf Oil, as Think Progress reports.

* Encounter Books. Spencer is the author of three books critical of mainstream climate science: Climate Confusion, published in 2008, and The Great Global Warming Blunder and The Bad Science and Bad Policy of Obama's Global Warming Agenda, both released last year. All of those works were published by Encounter Books, which is a project of the conservative nonprofit Encounter for Culture and Education. That group's major funders include the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, which in turn is controlled by one of the owners of Kansas-based Koch Industries, among the world's richest privately held companies with extensive holdings in oil refineries and pipelines. The Kochs have played a critical role in funding climate-denial efforts, contributing $24.9 million to organizations that have worked to cast doubt on mainstream climate science.

* Tech Central Station. Spencer served as a columnist and a member of the science roundtable for Tech Central Station. Until 2006, TCS was run by DCI Group, a lobbying and public-relations firm that has represented ExxonMobil.

Dr. Spencer has served big oil companies well, who would like nothing more than to see fossil fuels continue being used at an ever-increasing rate to prop up their bottom line and increase profits.
 
I'm buying an EV once my Toyota kicks the bucket.It'll be at least 10 years before I cross that bridge though knowing how these things tend to last. An expensive electric bill is a whole lot better than a weekly gasoline bill of $75.
I like the EV trucks and hummer. Price tag is little high but I want one.
 
I like the EV trucks and hummer. Price tag is little high be I want one.

I bet in 5-10 years the infrastructure will be in place to where it's convenient for almost anyone to have an EV, it's not quite there for me to be inclined to get one (& considering I just bought my toyota and have a $700 monthly car payment, it's not happening), so I have to settle for polluting the atmosphere for another 10 ish years against my best wishes. I'm sure the batteries at some point will get so good in EVs that they'll be able to travel 600-800 miles (or more) on one fill-up, already twice as good as my vehicle.
 
I bet in 5-10 years the infrastructure will be in place to where it's convenient for almost anyone to have an EV, it's not quite there for me to be inclined to get one (& considering I just bought my toyota and have a $700 monthly car payment, it's not happening), so I have to settle for polluting the atmosphere for another 10 ish years against my best wishes. I'm sure the batteries at some point will get so good in EVs that they'll be able to travel 600-800 miles (or more) on one fill-up, already twice as good as my vehicle.
Yea the hummer is 118k. Hope it goes down closer to 60-80k before I get one. Just a mean looking truck man. I love the fact not having to fill up anymore, open top and all it Gadgets and gizmos inside.
 
It is easy to see that the people who believe in AGW and the nebulous negative feedback mechanisms will take no opportunity to actually debate someone on a stage and let the public decide, want no part of that. Dr Spencer has offered to debate ANYONE in the Atmospheric Sciences field who disagrees with him but has strangely gotten no takers. I believe you should set it up Eric and go head to head with him, what do you say? As for EV's, just where are we going to store the billions of batteries it will take to go electric let lone the corrosive effect that these batteries will have? Perhaps we will have to supplement with them and I encourage all of you who believe it will save the earth to go by all means to purchase one. Good luck when you have to go on a trip of say 600 miles or get ready to board an airplane, because charging has to occur very frequently not to mention the extra time that charging will take on that trip.
 
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