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Misc Winter Whamby 2020, a New Decade

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I’m just posting other Mets opinions! The WARM options is certainly a possibility!!
I’m not trying to stir people that wants to just talk cold up by no means.......

There’s nobody on this forum that’s wants COLD AND SNOW as much as I do. After all this am a snowman!

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Good. Please don’t be intimidated from posting forecasts that are warm. We need to see what’s most likely rather than just what we want to happen. It also makes this board more credible as opposed to being weenie. And I want it cold as much as anyone!
 
Good. Please don’t be intimidated from posting forecasts that are warm. We need to see what’s most likely rather than just what we want to happen. It also makes this board more credible as opposed to being weenie. And I want it cold as much as anyone!
The thing about Feb and what we are looking at right now is you could make a case in both directions. With the recent AAM surge we may just go into a more classic nino look with the BN heights across the south and some weak PNA ridging. that being said we may do that while firing up a MJO wave through the unfavorable phases. Meh, good times ahead
 
The thing about Feb and what we are looking at right now is you could make a case in both directions. With the recent AAM surge we may just go into a more classic nino look with the BN heights across the south and some weak PNA ridging. that being said we may do that while firing up a MJO wave through the unfavorable phases. Meh, good times ahead

Lol, I just posted about the good news about +AAM in the January thread! Anyway, I think your post here is spot on.
 
Can we get back the old GFS? The old GFS maybe wasn't great either but it wasn't as horrendous with having the heights too low.
 
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Could someone explain what is 'so close' in the graphic?
 
I know that looking at model output through the end of January shows no chance for wintery weather in or around Atlanta. I mean no real chance at all. Just like last year. I can’t even see the nc mountains getting much in this pattern. I thought we would be seeing signs of a change to winter, but not seeing it yet. That’s depressing. Not going to lie.
 
Dude, this winter's been dragging the ground for miles.
True. But when it’s early January and the wheels are going flat you can say “Met winter just started. There’s time.”... but when you’re entering the last half of January and cold keeps disappearing and the models are already reaching into February showing 384 hour rainstorms..well

Especially when February seemingly isn’t the winter month it once was climo wise. It’s just not looking good..but there’s always hope. No one can take that away
 
How's this map verifying so far? It feels like it might be too cool everywhere.

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Grit tweeted this out. I burst out laughing when I saw this. I didn't have high hopes for this winter but I never thought we would be this warm. This isn't GW...this is we suck. 5th winter in a row that is solidly AN.


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Your just like the rest of them. Florida and southern Cali always drawn the most AN but look what happened. You get to much money in your pockets too care as long as the public buys in. $$
I'm not sure I follow you. Do you have a map of temp anoms to date beginning 12/1/19?
 
I have nothing to add so far today. I havent bought into the cold and still think the 12Z GEFS is full of poop too. How do we get deep cold with every single tele in the Arctic positive with no sign of that changing? Average, wet and zonal. Maybe we'll pull a miracle and get a storm. But probably not.

As for Feb well I don't know yet. Recent history tells me to forget about it, especially if we go into it with the MJO headed warm and strong consolidated tPV still. And here come the eternal optimists calling this ridiculous in 3,2,1....
 
I have nothing to add so far today. I havent bought into the cold and still think the 12Z GEFS is full of poop too. How do we get deep cold with every single tele in the Arctic positive with no sign of that changing? Average, wet and zonal. Maybe we'll pull a miracle and get a storm. But probably not.

As for Feb well I don't know yet. Recent history tells me to forget about it, especially if we go into it with the MJO headed warm and strong consolidated tPV still. And here come the eternal optimists calling this ridiculous in 3,2,1....
We can still get cold with a -EPO, but it seems to have abandoned us this year too.
 
We can still get cold with a -EPO, but it seems to have abandoned us this year too.
Yep. Hopefully it doesn't decide to go on a decade long hiatus with the NAO. I really don't know how regardless of ENSO, QBO, SSWE's, low solar, MJO phase etc it stays positve. Something has to be causing it. If the EPO abandons ship we won't even be able to get a storm to track much less actually get one. We're already closing in on 14 months.
 
Just going to make it even sweeter when we get the snow at the end of the month.
 
Yep. Hopefully it doesn't decide to go on a decade long hiatus with the NAO. I really don't know how regardless of ENSO, QBO, SSWE's, low solar, MJO phase etc it stays positve. Something has to be causing it. If the EPO abandons ship we won't even be able to get a storm to track much less actually get one. We're already closing in on 14 months.
It's like I've said, I really don't think we understand nearly as much as we think we do about this stuff and how it all works together. I don't mean to say we shouldn't try. But next year, when I hear someone talking about rooting for an easterly QBO or a weakening of an IOD or hoping we stay away from a -MVP, I'm just going to laugh internally and forecast warmth for the eastern US.
 
I have nothing to add so far today. I havent bought into the cold and still think the 12Z GEFS is full of poop too. How do we get deep cold with every single tele in the Arctic positive with no sign of that changing? Average, wet and zonal. Maybe we'll pull a miracle and get a storm. But probably not.

As for Feb well I don't know yet. Recent history tells me to forget about it, especially if we go into it with the MJO headed warm and strong consolidated tPV still. And here come the eternal optimists calling this ridiculous in 3,2,1....


I will admit I started to get bought into it, but i just knew the other shoe was going to drop somewhere. Now it's almost comical in a way to keep watching the neg epo vanish inside 240.
 
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