Misc Winter Weather Support Group

[Rain Cold]

RDU averaged more than 10" once every 3 years or so from 1887-2004, but since then hasn't had 10" total once in a winter. Our median has dropped from around 7 inches in 1961-1990 to ~2.5 inches in 1991-2020. Things just don't work like they used to.

Yup. It's unfortunate. It may be cyclical; it may not be. IDK and I'm not sure it matters anyway. Either way, we're in a down cycle right now; there's not much one could say to refute that. I don't care how much cold and snow they get in the midwest or plains. Right here, it has not been very good. The trajectory of everything is to the northeast and the cold has a very difficult time getting east of the Apps, more times than not.

Also, I agree with some of the above around long range winter storms. A legit pattern produces fantasy storms. I do not believe the lack of long range winter storm images is because the models are better. Maybe a little, but that's not the reason. I don't even think the DGEX would do well to bring the goods this day and age.

 

[KyloG]

RDU averaged more than 10" once every 3 years or so from 1887-2004, but since then hasn't had 10" total once in a winter. Our median has dropped from around 7 inches in 1961-1990 to ~2.5 inches in 1991-2020. Things just don't work like they used to.

I'm surprised our median dropped that much...our 30yr avg is still 5" but dropping fast. AVG did drop from the 1920's to the 1950's from 9" to 6". But then recovered from the 50's to the 80's back up to almost 9" but it's plummeting like a rock since. So yeah, hopefully this is just cyclical but we are kind of at that point where it should rebound if it was cyclical and it's clearly not.

Seems like we are on the path to have the snow climate of the Panhandle...where it ironically snowed this week. ?‍

 

[BHS1975]

I'm surprised our median dropped that much...our 30yr avg is still 5" but dropping fast. AVG did drop from the 1920's to the 1950's from 9" to 6". But then recovered from the 50's to the 80's back up to almost 9" but it's plummeting like a rock since. So yeah, hopefully this is just cyclical but we are kind of at that point where it should rebound if it was cyclical and it's clearly not.

Seems like we are on the path to have the snow climate of the Panhandle...where it ironically snowed this week.

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Once the crusher drops off it's gonna plummet.


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[Bham 99]

I do see where Charlotte would be a better place to live for snow than Raleigh in most cases. I wasn't in Raleigh long enough to know for sure but I would imagine the warm nose gets pulled in pretty easily there.

 

[CaryWx]

What would it look like with just the 2010-2020 data set? Ugly I suppose.

 

[Drizzle Snizzle]

Atlanta is in a really bad location for wintry weather. CAD usually impacts the Carolinas more. Systems like this week impact areas west more. Atlanta is stuck in the middle.

 

[Tarheel1]

I need to hear JBs thoughts before I throw in all my towels! The bathtub is loaded

 

[NoSnowATL]

Atlanta is in a really bad location for wintry weather. CAD usually impacts the Carolinas more. Systems like this week impact areas west more. Atlanta is stuck in the middle.

Transition spot at the bottom of the Apps. Its always 50/50 with snow and storms.

 

[KyloG]

Once the crusher drops off it's gonna plummet.


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Yeah, but the awful 90’s will roll off too. 2001-2014 was fairly solid. I will check to see what our 2001-2023 avg is.

 

[NoSnowATL]

Yeah, but the awful 90’s will roll off too. 2001-2014 was fairly solid. I will check to see what our 2001-2023 avg is.

Atl avg 2in. from 2000 to 2024 the avg is 1.675. So no real change.

 

[EmersonGA]

Transition spot at the bottom of the Apps. Its always 50/50 with snow and storms.

Too many Miller screws. That’s why I live on the NW side. No cad but can a jackpot on Miller A’s. I’d rather have that.

 

[Drizzle Snizzle]

Atl avg 2in. from 2000 to 2024 the avg is 1.675. So no real change.

Not bad considering the airport hasn’t really had any snow in 6 years other than maybe a tiny bit in 2022.

 

[Drizzle Snizzle]

Too many Miller screws. That’s why I live on the NW side. No cad but can a jackpot on Miller A’s. I’d rather have that.

I have no faith in CAD for any location from I-75 westward

 

[NoSnowATL]

I have no faith in CAD for any location from I-75 westward

Gwinnett is usually the bottom unless its summer and it can make it down to Dothan.

 

[Rain Cold]

We should do a poll to see who wins the Winter 2023-2024 Variable or Idea Of The Year award:

Previous winners include:

NAO/AO
ENSO
SAI
Apps Runner
PDO
Solar
Polar Vortex
QBO
Verbatim
Strat Warming
MJO
Mountain Torque

Nominees:

Snowpack
Jet Extension/Retraction
It Just Doesn't Work Like It Used To

 

[NoSnowATL]

We should do a poll to see who wins the Winter 2023-2024 Variable or Idea Of The Year award:

Previous winners include:

NAO/AO
ENSO
SAI
Apps Runner
PDO
Solar
Polar Vortex
QBO
Verbatim
Strat Warming
MJO
Mountain Torque

Nominees:

Snowpack
Jet Extension/Retraction
It Just Doesn't Work Like It Used To

I don't see Aliens on the list. Please add. Thanks

 

[EmersonGA]

I have no faith in CAD for any location from I-75 westward

Maybe once every 20-30 years but it's usually 35 and rain.

 

[Rain Cold]

I don't see Aliens on the list. Please add. Thanks

Needs to be a recurring theme. You need to influence the crowd to talk about it more!

 

[accu35]

I need to hear Brick thoughts before I throw in all my towels! The bathtub is loaded

Fixed

 

[Ollie Williams]

We should do a poll to see who wins the Winter 2023-2024 Variable or Idea Of The Year award:

Previous winners include:

NAO/AO
ENSO
SAI
Apps Runner
PDO
Solar
Polar Vortex
QBO
Verbatim
Strat Warming
MJO
Mountain Torque

Nominees:

Snowpack
Jet Extension/Retraction
It Just Doesn't Work Like It Used To

Don't forget the +IOD collapse.