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Misc Winter 22-23 Whamby and Banter Thread Part 2
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Here is an article from Charlotte magazine with met ------------- explaining why it is harder to get snow outside of the mountains in NC than it used to be because of our current climate.
“The best setup for us for winter weather—we want that southern jet stream there, which is the main storm track, and the cold air, which is the polar jet, would be right there,” he explains. “And this would set up your typical kind of nor’easter Carolina low pressure where it’s wrapping cold air, and it’s all snow inland over the Piedmont. That’s the old I-85 corridor, snow from Atlanta up through the upstate (South Carolina), and it goes all the way up into Virginia. That’s your best setup for big snows here.”
But since the early-to-mid-2000s, he says, melting Arctic ice has “amplified” the jet streams. A warmer Arctic has shrunk the temperature difference between itself and the equator, which makes the west-to-east jet streams meander farther north and south, like slow-moving rivers. That, paradoxically, can allow cold air farther south than normal, as in the devastating Texas ice storm of February 2021. It can also make warm air rise farther north. In December 2021, temperatures in Alaska soared into the upper 60s.
Now, -------- says, the prime area for snow, where cold and dry meets warm and wet, “is either up here”—he points to the Great Lakes, then the Gulf of Mexico—“or it comes down here. It’s rarely here”—the midway point, i.e., us—“because the jet stream is so amplified. … It’s really when the Arctic sea ice started retreating and wasn’t coming back in the winter.” Nowadays, meteorologists informally refer to “crazy” or even, he says with a chuckle, “kinky” jet streams. The variances are “not these little subtle things. It’s gigantic ridges and huge troughs.”
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“The best setup for us for winter weather—we want that southern jet stream there, which is the main storm track, and the cold air, which is the polar jet, would be right there,” he explains. “And this would set up your typical kind of nor’easter Carolina low pressure where it’s wrapping cold air, and it’s all snow inland over the Piedmont. That’s the old I-85 corridor, snow from Atlanta up through the upstate (South Carolina), and it goes all the way up into Virginia. That’s your best setup for big snows here.”
But since the early-to-mid-2000s, he says, melting Arctic ice has “amplified” the jet streams. A warmer Arctic has shrunk the temperature difference between itself and the equator, which makes the west-to-east jet streams meander farther north and south, like slow-moving rivers. That, paradoxically, can allow cold air farther south than normal, as in the devastating Texas ice storm of February 2021. It can also make warm air rise farther north. In December 2021, temperatures in Alaska soared into the upper 60s.
Now, -------- says, the prime area for snow, where cold and dry meets warm and wet, “is either up here”—he points to the Great Lakes, then the Gulf of Mexico—“or it comes down here. It’s rarely here”—the midway point, i.e., us—“because the jet stream is so amplified. … It’s really when the Arctic sea ice started retreating and wasn’t coming back in the winter.” Nowadays, meteorologists informally refer to “crazy” or even, he says with a chuckle, “kinky” jet streams. The variances are “not these little subtle things. It’s gigantic ridges and huge troughs.”
Why Charlotte's Snow Days Are Probably Gone - Charlotte Magazine
It used to fall here at least a few times a year. ------------- explains why that's likely over
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Here is an article from Charlotte magazine with met ------------- explaining why it is harder to get snow outside of the mountains in NC than it used to be because of our current climate.
“The best setup for us for winter weather—we want that southern jet stream there, which is the main storm track, and the cold air, which is the polar jet, would be right there,” he explains. “And this would set up your typical kind of nor’easter Carolina low pressure where it’s wrapping cold air, and it’s all snow inland over the Piedmont. That’s the old I-85 corridor, snow from Atlanta up through the upstate (South Carolina), and it goes all the way up into Virginia. That’s your best setup for big snows here.”
But since the early-to-mid-2000s, he says, melting Arctic ice has “amplified” the jet streams. A warmer Arctic has shrunk the temperature difference between itself and the equator, which makes the west-to-east jet streams meander farther north and south, like slow-moving rivers. That, paradoxically, can allow cold air farther south than normal, as in the devastating Texas ice storm of February 2021. It can also make warm air rise farther north. In December 2021, temperatures in Alaska soared into the upper 60s.
Now, -------- says, the prime area for snow, where cold and dry meets warm and wet, “is either up here”—he points to the Great Lakes, then the Gulf of Mexico—“or it comes down here. It’s rarely here”—the midway point, i.e., us—“because the jet stream is so amplified. … It’s really when the Arctic sea ice started retreating and wasn’t coming back in the winter.” Nowadays, meteorologists informally refer to “crazy” or even, he says with a chuckle, “kinky” jet streams. The variances are “not these little subtle things. It’s gigantic ridges and huge troughs.”
Why Charlotte's Snow Days Are Probably Gone - Charlotte Magazine
It used to fall here at least a few times a year. ------------- explains why that's likely over
Yeap need a flatter jet to keep the SER at bay.
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Gonna get snow for sure in the next 10 days with the thunder and lightning we just had here.
So who is SER that joined today and is supposedly from Wake Forest?
Here is an article from Charlotte magazine with met ------------- explaining why it is harder to get snow outside of the mountains in NC than it used to be because of our current climate.
“The best setup for us for winter weather—we want that southern jet stream there, which is the main storm track, and the cold air, which is the polar jet, would be right there,” he explains. “And this would set up your typical kind of nor’easter Carolina low pressure where it’s wrapping cold air, and it’s all snow inland over the Piedmont. That’s the old I-85 corridor, snow from Atlanta up through the upstate (South Carolina), and it goes all the way up into Virginia. That’s your best setup for big snows here.”
But since the early-to-mid-2000s, he says, melting Arctic ice has “amplified” the jet streams. A warmer Arctic has shrunk the temperature difference between itself and the equator, which makes the west-to-east jet streams meander farther north and south, like slow-moving rivers. That, paradoxically, can allow cold air farther south than normal, as in the devastating Texas ice storm of February 2021. It can also make warm air rise farther north. In December 2021, temperatures in Alaska soared into the upper 60s.
Now, -------- says, the prime area for snow, where cold and dry meets warm and wet, “is either up here”—he points to the Great Lakes, then the Gulf of Mexico—“or it comes down here. It’s rarely here”—the midway point, i.e., us—“because the jet stream is so amplified. … It’s really when the Arctic sea ice started retreating and wasn’t coming back in the winter.” Nowadays, meteorologists informally refer to “crazy” or even, he says with a chuckle, “kinky” jet streams. The variances are “not these little subtle things. It’s gigantic ridges and huge troughs.”
Why Charlotte's Snow Days Are Probably Gone - Charlotte Magazine
It used to fall here at least a few times a year. ------------- explains why that's likely over
I guess some people think ------------- and science are clownish.
A troll ?
A lot of folks are acting like trolls on here lately.
I know why nicky b likes CAD so much now. Damn it’s crazy
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Today is the day we get myfrotho back on the winter bandwagon. Webber jumps back in tomorrow. book it!
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We will be warm going into Feb. At least I hope it will not be cold and dry or having our area stuck in the 40's while Columbia is near 80.
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Looks like the upcoming weeks will be a great time to be out west. Reminds me of January 2020. 
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I wish the posts bashing Webber for his comments about the upcoming pattern would be left unsent. He's done a very good job at reading the tea leaves and dissecting the pattern evolution. Whether it's what you want to read or not, he backs up everything he posts with solid reasoning and facts.
I would recommend that we pay attention, read and research what he's talking about and engage in far less bashing of the perceived "negative" or "positive" nature of the possible outcomes. Wishcasting is leading to bitchcasting in here.
His voice is a huge addition to the forum and shouldn't be driven out because it doesn't bring snow with it.
Man I really need to get a house on Beach Mountain. I would never complain about snow again.
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Relax…it’s just weather. If you don’t like what I post just block me, it’s very easy.
NoSnowATL
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Wen Snowstorm?
ForsythSnow
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Criticism if done right needs to happen. One person's word isn't truth and shouldn't be a one person effort. Constantly saying why something isn't going to happen with proof but saying why something could also happen with proof is a good balance (I say this to everyone) because otherwise there's a clear bias and I firmly belive there's more bitchcasting and wishcasting and biased predictions due to this. Many here are guilty of it and while this pattern isn't the most optimistic, shooting down anything with slight reasonability just gets tiresome. If there's a slight trend there's some reasonability and we watch and see and hope for something. Sure it might not work out but why make the thrill of tracking it unenjoyable?
ForsythSnow
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As an addition to the first part I'd also like to add criticism if done right improves the person who is being criticized. It shows something had to be worked on and makes their forecasting better and anything else that might be a flaw. Just has to be taken right and not as an attack.
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Dude, I like your posts, and I use the "ignore" function sparingly. I think some people might want to use the ignore feature more frequently, though.
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Good post. I agree. We need more objective reporting. I admit I called winter weather over for Atlanta, but that's not really saying much since Atlanta has a very good chance of not receiving a significant winter weather event each year. I could make that call every July and probably be right about 75% of the time.
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it's always snowing somewhere. Book a flight, my friend.
NoSnowATL
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True, Im just too dang lazy for that.
It's a lot on here frustrated with winter anymore, me included, and that's where all the bitching comes from. Yes it is the south and hopefully most know it doesn't snow here much. But most of this board averages 4+ inches of snow per year. Not much but something usually happens. If I go snowless this year I'll be at 2.92 average the past 5 years since I moved back. GSP airport averages 4.7 and Tigerville which is most similar to me averages 5.9. Yet I'm closer to CAE's average of 1.9 than I am my own average. It's been depressing to be a snowlover east of the mtns lately.
NoSnowATL
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True, and there have been no bashing posts this morning (except maybe DoJ). There have, however, been a couple of posts accusing/insinuating that people are bashing when they're not. If people can't take a little discussion or back and forth differing of opinions about weather, where literally nothing is set in stone, then they really need to find a new hobby.
NoSnowATL
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Stop bashing RC. Damn
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This should make people happy.
DadOfJax
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Im sorry.....who did I "bash"?
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Me too.
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I think Brent is going to have snow storm after snow storm in this pattern. Could be a very good winter for him. Tarheel, too. That cold air to our north means business. So far, modeling doesn't really bring much farther south than northern TX, AR, KY and the mid Atlantic.
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Jan 2000 loller
12z GFS day 11:
You would think that would work for us.
You would think that would work for us.