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Misc Winter 22-23 Whamby and Banter Thread Part 2
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Brick Tamland
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Here is an article from Charlotte magazine with met Brad Panovich explaining why it is harder to get snow outside of the mountains in NC than it used to be because of our current climate.
“The best setup for us for winter weather—we want that southern jet stream there, which is the main storm track, and the cold air, which is the polar jet, would be right there,” he explains. “And this would set up your typical kind of nor’easter Carolina low pressure where it’s wrapping cold air, and it’s all snow inland over the Piedmont. That’s the old I-85 corridor, snow from Atlanta up through the upstate (South Carolina), and it goes all the way up into Virginia. That’s your best setup for big snows here.”
But since the early-to-mid-2000s, he says, melting Arctic ice has “amplified” the jet streams. A warmer Arctic has shrunk the temperature difference between itself and the equator, which makes the west-to-east jet streams meander farther north and south, like slow-moving rivers. That, paradoxically, can allow cold air farther south than normal, as in the devastating Texas ice storm of February 2021. It can also make warm air rise farther north. In December 2021, temperatures in Alaska soared into the upper 60s.
Now, Panovich says, the prime area for snow, where cold and dry meets warm and wet, “is either up here”—he points to the Great Lakes, then the Gulf of Mexico—“or it comes down here. It’s rarely here”—the midway point, i.e., us—“because the jet stream is so amplified. … It’s really when the Arctic sea ice started retreating and wasn’t coming back in the winter.” Nowadays, meteorologists informally refer to “crazy” or even, he says with a chuckle, “kinky” jet streams. The variances are “not these little subtle things. It’s gigantic ridges and huge troughs.”
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“The best setup for us for winter weather—we want that southern jet stream there, which is the main storm track, and the cold air, which is the polar jet, would be right there,” he explains. “And this would set up your typical kind of nor’easter Carolina low pressure where it’s wrapping cold air, and it’s all snow inland over the Piedmont. That’s the old I-85 corridor, snow from Atlanta up through the upstate (South Carolina), and it goes all the way up into Virginia. That’s your best setup for big snows here.”
But since the early-to-mid-2000s, he says, melting Arctic ice has “amplified” the jet streams. A warmer Arctic has shrunk the temperature difference between itself and the equator, which makes the west-to-east jet streams meander farther north and south, like slow-moving rivers. That, paradoxically, can allow cold air farther south than normal, as in the devastating Texas ice storm of February 2021. It can also make warm air rise farther north. In December 2021, temperatures in Alaska soared into the upper 60s.
Now, Panovich says, the prime area for snow, where cold and dry meets warm and wet, “is either up here”—he points to the Great Lakes, then the Gulf of Mexico—“or it comes down here. It’s rarely here”—the midway point, i.e., us—“because the jet stream is so amplified. … It’s really when the Arctic sea ice started retreating and wasn’t coming back in the winter.” Nowadays, meteorologists informally refer to “crazy” or even, he says with a chuckle, “kinky” jet streams. The variances are “not these little subtle things. It’s gigantic ridges and huge troughs.”
Why Charlotte's Snow Days Are Probably Gone - Charlotte Magazine
It used to fall here at least a few times a year. Brad Panovich explains why that's likely over
www.charlottemagazine.com
I don’t interact with people who have less than 300 years of history in this state, peasant.
BHS1975
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Here is an article from Charlotte magazine with met Brad Panovich explaining why it is harder to get snow outside of the mountains in NC than it used to be because of our current climate.
“The best setup for us for winter weather—we want that southern jet stream there, which is the main storm track, and the cold air, which is the polar jet, would be right there,” he explains. “And this would set up your typical kind of nor’easter Carolina low pressure where it’s wrapping cold air, and it’s all snow inland over the Piedmont. That’s the old I-85 corridor, snow from Atlanta up through the upstate (South Carolina), and it goes all the way up into Virginia. That’s your best setup for big snows here.”
But since the early-to-mid-2000s, he says, melting Arctic ice has “amplified” the jet streams. A warmer Arctic has shrunk the temperature difference between itself and the equator, which makes the west-to-east jet streams meander farther north and south, like slow-moving rivers. That, paradoxically, can allow cold air farther south than normal, as in the devastating Texas ice storm of February 2021. It can also make warm air rise farther north. In December 2021, temperatures in Alaska soared into the upper 60s.
Now, Panovich says, the prime area for snow, where cold and dry meets warm and wet, “is either up here”—he points to the Great Lakes, then the Gulf of Mexico—“or it comes down here. It’s rarely here”—the midway point, i.e., us—“because the jet stream is so amplified. … It’s really when the Arctic sea ice started retreating and wasn’t coming back in the winter.” Nowadays, meteorologists informally refer to “crazy” or even, he says with a chuckle, “kinky” jet streams. The variances are “not these little subtle things. It’s gigantic ridges and huge troughs.”
Why Charlotte's Snow Days Are Probably Gone - Charlotte Magazine
It used to fall here at least a few times a year. Brad Panovich explains why that's likely over
Yeap need a flatter jet to keep the SER at bay.
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Brick Tamland
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Gonna get snow for sure in the next 10 days with the thunder and lightning we just had here.
Brick Tamland
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So who is SER that joined today and is supposedly from Wake Forest?
Brick Tamland
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Here is an article from Charlotte magazine with met Brad Panovich explaining why it is harder to get snow outside of the mountains in NC than it used to be because of our current climate.
“The best setup for us for winter weather—we want that southern jet stream there, which is the main storm track, and the cold air, which is the polar jet, would be right there,” he explains. “And this would set up your typical kind of nor’easter Carolina low pressure where it’s wrapping cold air, and it’s all snow inland over the Piedmont. That’s the old I-85 corridor, snow from Atlanta up through the upstate (South Carolina), and it goes all the way up into Virginia. That’s your best setup for big snows here.”
But since the early-to-mid-2000s, he says, melting Arctic ice has “amplified” the jet streams. A warmer Arctic has shrunk the temperature difference between itself and the equator, which makes the west-to-east jet streams meander farther north and south, like slow-moving rivers. That, paradoxically, can allow cold air farther south than normal, as in the devastating Texas ice storm of February 2021. It can also make warm air rise farther north. In December 2021, temperatures in Alaska soared into the upper 60s.
Now, Panovich says, the prime area for snow, where cold and dry meets warm and wet, “is either up here”—he points to the Great Lakes, then the Gulf of Mexico—“or it comes down here. It’s rarely here”—the midway point, i.e., us—“because the jet stream is so amplified. … It’s really when the Arctic sea ice started retreating and wasn’t coming back in the winter.” Nowadays, meteorologists informally refer to “crazy” or even, he says with a chuckle, “kinky” jet streams. The variances are “not these little subtle things. It’s gigantic ridges and huge troughs.”
Why Charlotte's Snow Days Are Probably Gone - Charlotte Magazine
It used to fall here at least a few times a year. Brad Panovich explains why that's likely over
I guess some people think Brad Panovich and science are clownish.
A troll ?
Brick Tamland
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A lot of folks are acting like trolls on here lately.
I know why nicky b likes CAD so much now. Damn it’s crazy
rburrel2
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Today is the day we get myfrotho back on the winter bandwagon. Webber jumps back in tomorrow. book it!
The control run has had some form of an event for three runs in a row.
JHS
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We will be warm going into Feb. At least I hope it will not be cold and dry or having our area stuck in the 40's while Columbia is near 80.
SnowNiner
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Looks like the upcoming weeks will be a great time to be out west. Reminds me of January 2020. 
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I wish the posts bashing Webber for his comments about the upcoming pattern would be left unsent. He's done a very good job at reading the tea leaves and dissecting the pattern evolution. Whether it's what you want to read or not, he backs up everything he posts with solid reasoning and facts.
I would recommend that we pay attention, read and research what he's talking about and engage in far less bashing of the perceived "negative" or "positive" nature of the possible outcomes. Wishcasting is leading to bitchcasting in here.
His voice is a huge addition to the forum and shouldn't be driven out because it doesn't bring snow with it.
Man I really need to get a house on Beach Mountain. I would never complain about snow again.
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Relax…it’s just weather. If you don’t like what I post just block me, it’s very easy.