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Sandbar said:
A lot (Most in this case) of these candidates jump in so they can have a say in pushing the parties agenda. It just so happens that most of them have gone so far left of lunacy with the socialist tendencies, that most voters with an once of common sense are just not going to vote. Biden has no shot at beating Trump I don't care what any poll says. Bloomberg has a good shot at sneaking on but he wont beat Trump either. Our nation is rolling and even most Trump haters aren't going to deny that. Those that can't stomach voting for Trump because of their "emotions" will just stay at home replaced by somebody that wouldn't normally vote for him but doesn't want this economy touched.
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Rolling??? Stagnated if anything...
 
Trump is riding Obama's economy train. Things have stagnated im a industrial contractor at six plants nothing is booming. I never thought I'd live in a country were people think it's ok to vote for someone like him. That's scary goes to show how fox cnn ECT has brainwashed the country.
 
Mcdowell_weather said:
Trump is riding Obama's economy train. Things have stagnated im a industrial contractor at six plants nothing is booming. I never thought I'd live in a country were people think it's ok to vote for someone like him. That's scary goes to show how fox cnn ECT has brainwashed the country.
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You live in a country where a someone like Bill Clinton was elected, a man like Barack Obama was elected twice and Hillary Clinton was almost elected. It shouldnt suprise you in the least. The economy may be stagnant in your neighborhood but for most it actually is doing quite well
 
Sandbar said:
The economy is going to retreat at some point, always has and always will. It may happen next year, it may happen 3-4 years from now. I am intelligent enought to know that many factors the POTUS has no control over can set us back. So to answer your question, NO I wont be blaming Trump, but Im sure you will be here leading the charge
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I actually wont be blaming him, just like I give him little credit for the current state of the economy.....Trump is not as responsible for the good economy over the last several years as his base claims, the flip side is true when it all goes to crap....the Dems will blame him and that will mostly be misplaced.
 
Wildboutsnow said:
Nadler should go first...
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Or 2nd or 3rd.....There's a long list
Mcdowell_weather said:
Trump is riding Obama's economy train. Things have stagnated im a industrial contractor at six plants nothing is booming. I never thought I'd live in a country were people think it's ok to vote for someone like him. That's scary goes to show how fox cnn ECT has brainwashed the country.
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LOL...You've GOT to be kidding....Right????
 
Flurry said:
Or 2nd or 3rd.....There's a long list


LOL...You've GOT to be kidding....Right????
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He's got a point though. MSM of both sides is brainwashing. Fox is no better than CNN but on the other end of the spectrum. They discourage free thinking and encourage you to become reliant on them. As far as the Trump economy thing, it never truly is the president who makes or breaks the economy. Obama did what he could to help legislation created by CONGRESS to be passed. Trump is no different but what worries me is what has been mentioned before, which is congress and Trump together letting govt spending stay up. This is not healthy in a booming economy.
 
Things look pretty bad for the citizens in Iran, “Tehran may have killed more than 1,000 protesters during the deadly clampdown against anti-regime protests, the U.S. State Department said. “As the truth is trickling out of Iran, it appears the regime could have murdered over a thousand Iranian citizens since the protests began,” the U.S. Special Representative for Iran, Brian Hook, disclosed on Thursday. Video footage cited by the U.S. State Department showed Iranian security forces encircling a group of unarmed protesters, shooting indiscriminately at them from machine guns mounted on pickup trucks and mowing down at least 100 demonstrators in this single incident.” Source

Sometimes it helps to have some perspective on how “bad” we really have it when in the end we are incredibly blessed and live in an amazing country despite political differences we have.
 
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Things look pretty bad for the citizens in Iran, “Tehran may have killed more than 1,000 protesters during the deadly clampdown against anti-regime protests, the U.S. State Department said. “As the truth is trickling out of Iran, it appears the regime could have murdered over a thousand Iranian citizens since the protests began,” the U.S. Special Representative for Iran, Brian Hook, disclosed on Thursday. Video footage cited by the U.S. State Department showed Iranian security forces encircling a group of unarmed protesters, shooting indiscriminately at them from machine guns mounted on pickup trucks and mowing down at least 100 demonstrators in this single incident.” Source

Sometimes it helps to have some perspective on how “bad” we really have it when in the end we are incredibly blessed and live in an amazing country despite political differences we have.
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This is also a reminder that the majority of Iranians do NOT like their fundamentalist Islamic leadership. One of my best friends is an Iranian-American who has educated me over the last 30 years. These folks are pro-western/US. They are Persians first and foremost.
 
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Wildboutsnow said:
Trump supporters only ask that people who dislike him will be neutral as well and hold the same standard. It's important we hold ourselves to the same standard for the good of the people and until there is a fair process, all the facts and witnesses are able to be put forth, there is no way this standard is met. It's the only real thing we can depend on even in court for disputed traffic tickets. Feelings and dislike of ones behavior is certainly not what Supreme Court Judges go by so neither should we. It's not like only 20 people voted for Trump. It's was the majority so people should be very careful here I think.
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It was definitely not the majority. Stop lying and if you aren't lying please educate yourself.
 
Wildboutsnow said:
Calling him names is divisive eh? How bout this, just ignore his ways that you don't like. We like it. You don't. Who's right? Doesn't really matter. You know we like him and your not going to make us not. We know the times and behaviors are peculiar. We also know there are reasons and a much bigger picture and maybe something peculiar is what we need. You or the left are not going to convince people who are happy economically that their lives are awful. People have been fearful of past Presidents. Weary even if they were doing good that the the future was unpredictable. What the people did that hated or feared Obama's agenda for instance is just live, pray about it, and go on our merry way and Vote. Talk about one to be concerned about....Obama. Was dangerous and still is...Even though, he never got treated the way Trump is being treated. People are going to find that he probably should have....
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We don't want to convince you your life is awful. We want to show you that other's lives are and hope that you can discover empathy and hopefully vote for leaders who have leadership (imagine that) and who will work to help all citizens, not tear them down on Twitter and in their policy choices.
 
crecre9 said:
We don't want to convince you your life is awful. We want to show you that other's lives are and hope that you can discover empathy and hopefully vote for leaders who have leadership (imagine that) and who will work to help all citizens, not tear them down on Twitter and in their policy choices.
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Who's life is really aweful since Trump was elected? If its aweful now I cant imagine how tragic it was during the Obama years
 
Sandbar said:
Who's life is really aweful since Trump was elected? If its aweful now I cant imagine how tragic it was during the Obama years
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You’re generalizing way too much imo. How can you possibly say nobody has a worse life now even assuming more are better off thanks to the economy?
 
GaWx said:
You’re generalizing way too much imo. How can you possibly say nobody has a worse life now even assuming more are better off thanks to the economy?
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I never said nobodys life wasnt worse now. I asked a simple question. Whos life is worse off now because Trump was elected? I would at least like to know what changed in the last 3 years and/or whats gonna change if Trump is booted. My guess is nothing
 
Sandbar said:
I never said nobodys life wasnt worse now. I asked a simple question. Whos life is worse off now because Trump was elected? I would at least like to know what changed in the last 3 years and/or whats gonna change if Trump is booted. My guess is nothing
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Soybean and cotton farmers hurt by the trade war with China due to lower sales as well as lower prices.
 
GaWx said:
Soybean and cotton farmers hurt by the trade war with China due to lower sales as well as lower prices.
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We have the biggest trade deficit with China. To what do you think the resolution should be if not change the trade rules?
 
Bham 99 said:
We have the biggest trade deficit with China. To what do you think the resolution should be if not change the trade rules?
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Good question. I have no idea as this is beyond what my knowledge can tell me. I didn’t say I’m necessarily against the trade war with China. I merely answered his question about who is worse off due to Trump’s policies. Whether or not the trade war will ultimately help the US as a whole, US soybean and cotton farmers have been hurt thus far.
 
GaWx said:
Good question. I have no idea as this is beyond what my knowledge can tell me. I didn’t say I’m necessarily against the trade war with China. I merely answered his question about who is worse off due to Trump’s policies.
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I understand and I wasn't challenging you I just like to discuss things because I wouldn't know what to do either.
 
crecre9 said:
We don't want to convince you your life is awful. We want to show you that other's lives are and hope that you can discover empathy and hopefully vote for leaders who have leadership (imagine that) and who will work to help all citizens, not tear them down on Twitter and in their policy choices.[/QU
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crecre9 said:
It was definitely not the majority. Stop lying and if you aren't lying please educate yourself.
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Aren't you the one that told me I should not even vote?
 
crecre9 said:
We don't want to convince you your life is awful. We want to show you that other's lives are and hope that you can discover empathy and hopefully vote for leaders who have leadership (imagine that) and who will work to help all citizens, not tear them down on Twitter and in their policy choices.
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You can't help all citizens. The best you can do is protect their liberty and access to opportunity. A good way to do that is limited government, limited national debt and balance trade, and stop incentives for staying unproductive. It doesn't help people to remove the consequences from their foolish decisions.

Also, I agree that we should restrict all help to U.S. citizens. I'm glad we can agree that people that are entering the country illegally shouldn't receive any help from government institutions.
 
Wildboutsnow said:
Aren't you the one that told me I should not even vote?
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I said you should reconsider and if you think a majority of registered voters, let alone Americans voted for him you are sorely mistaken and should take the time to educate yourself before voting. If you choose to stay in the dark about basic facts, how can you expect to vote in a manner that is good for the nation?
 
crecre9 said:
I said you should reconsider and if you think a majority of registered voters, let alone Americans voted for him you are sorely mistaken and should take the time to educate yourself before voting. If you choose to stay in the dark about basic facts, how can you expect to vote in a manner that is good for the nation?
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You sound a little like Nancy....
 
crecre9 said:
I said you should reconsider and if you think a majority of registered voters, let alone Americans voted for him you are sorely mistaken and should take the time to educate yourself before voting. If you choose to stay in the dark about basic facts, how can you expect to vote in a manner that is good for the nation?
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It doesn't really matter that a majority of registered voters cast a ballot for Trump. He won the most electoral votes and that's how our republic is designed to work (and I believe the electoral college balances representation quite well). You don't want a true democracy. As it's been said, "democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch".
 
weatherfide said:
It doesn't really matter that a majority of registered voters cast a ballot for Trump. He won the most electoral votes and that's how our republic is designed to work (and I believe the electoral college balances representation quite well). You don't want a true democracy. As it's been said, "democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch".
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I never said I wanted that, did I? I was just correcting a false statement that the author just won't admit was false.
 
crecre9 said:
I never said I wanted that, did I? I was just correcting a false statement that the author just won't admit was false.
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You know what I meant. He won by a whole lot of people. He did. American citizens. Just stop it. You have no business saying anything about someones voting manner.
 
Wildboutsnow said:
You know what I meant. He won by a whole lot of people. He did. American citizens. Just stop it. You have no business saying anything about someones voting manner.
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But he didn't win by a lot of people. He won by electoral votes. I don't even know why I am arguing with you, it appears that you are being willfully ignorant or disengenous about this.
 
Mcdowell_weather said:
Trump is riding Obama's economy train. Things have stagnated im a industrial contractor at six plants nothing is booming. I never thought I'd live in a country were people think it's ok to vote for someone like him. That's scary goes to show how fox cnn ECT has brainwashed the country.
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https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/281936-obama-to-trump-what-magic-wand-do-you-have
This article shows obama asking how Trump is going to accomplish bringing manufacturing jobs back. "Does he have a magic wand"? Obama didn't have an "economy train". Thanks for the good laugh !
 
crecre9 said:
But he didn't win by a lot of people. He won by electoral votes. I don't even know why I am arguing with you, it appears that you are being willfully ignorant or disengenous about this.
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He also won swing states by VERY low margins as well. Too much Hillary hate caused left-leaning demos to either not vote in the General or do a farking write in, or vote for hideous Jill Stein. Sad really.
 
crecre9 said:
But he didn't win by a lot of people. He won by electoral votes. I don't even know why I am arguing with you, it appears that you are being willfully ignorant or disengenous about this.
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I don't know why your arguing with me either. Now I'm going to say it like this..A whole lot of people voted for him. A whole lot of people will vote for him next time. He won. He's the President no matter how you break it down or dislike him.
 
Bham 99 said:
Good article from CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/05/opin...FRtbL3lv0JrREF7BD6mEAvdVWerl37LUlO0XVBYWMEric
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Great article....Trump has exposed them, and they can't stand it!!! Their gravy train might be coming to an end....I'm talking about DEMS & REP...THIS is why he was elected...A majority of the people had their eyes opened during Barry O's 8 yrs of hell he put us through...They decided a BIG change was needed, and they spoke with their votes...These career politicians HATE the outcome of the 2016 election, but you know what....TOO BAD!! Trump is the President....End of story!!! The DEMS are shooting themselves in the foot with this Impeachment garbage...All my OPINION of course!!

Edit: These politicians are elected by the people to serve the people....Not themselves...Somehow, we have gotten away from that in a bad way
 
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Wildboutsnow said:
I don't know why your arguing with me either. Now I'm going to say it like this..A whole lot of people voted for him. A whole lot of people will vote for him next time. He won. He's the President no matter how you break it down or dislike him.
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What I don't get is why you keep on going saying that holding someone accountable for their actions means you hate them. That's not what it means at all. It means that from what him and many others see, Trump may have violated the law and was caught doing so. It would go for any other president. Have you ever heard of Grantism? I was taught this in us history in 11th grade and it basically states that corruption in an administration, tied to the president or not, occurs about every 50 or so years. Watergate was about that long ago only short a few years. At the time my teacher made the prediction that whoever the president would be in this term would possibly face a corrupt administration and sure enough we are having it. Either angle, from trump ousting a lot of his cabinet he picked himself to trump himself and the Ukraine situation, there has to have been corruption from someone that was caught.

Yes Trump was duly elected, but Trump nor anyone is above the law. There also is a lot of bad info out there from websites that create and fester poor ideals and conspiracies to brainwash people into being a political zombie. This is the stuff I really worry about.
 
Sandbar said:
Who's life is really aweful since Trump was elected? If its aweful now I cant imagine how tragic it was during the Obama years
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NC tobacco farmers have been hit hard and arent eligible for any if the bailout money. The fact trumps having to bail out anyone kind of proves the point that people are suffering to some extent.

NC exports went from 162M down to a measly 4M. Horrible drop.

https://businessnc.com/tariffs-hit-tobacco-growers-hard/
 
Flurry said:
Unfortunately, you're debating with a brick wall most of the time.
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There are times I feel like both sides are brick walls. On your side, you believe what you do because of whatever reasons you came to, and on the other side they are the same, but both views will almost never line up. It's up to both people to open their minds and look at every angle to determine what is true or not.
 
Shaggy said:
Brick wall? People standing up against corruption isnt a brick wall. It's a group of people who refuse to ignore the lines of right and wrong.
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When you have people talking about impeaching Trump the day (or possibly before) the election was over, do you not agree there might be some corruption on the horizon that Trump might be about to expose???? After all, he said he was going to.....A bunch of Nervous Nellies awoke from their slumber....Could that have anything to do with this big impeachment push??? NAH, probably not.....Just look at good ole Maxine Waters....Now there's a career politician!!!
 
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ForsythSnow said:
What I don't get is why you keep on going saying that holding someone accountable for their actions means you hate them. That's not what it means at all. It means that from what him and many others see, Trump may have violated the law and was caught doing so. It would go for any other president. Have you ever heard of Grantism? I was taught this in us history in 11th grade and it basically states that corruption in an administration, tied to the president or not, occurs about every 50 or so years. Watergate was about that long ago only short a few years. At the time my teacher made the prediction that whoever the president would be in this term would possibly face a corrupt administration and sure enough we are having it. Either angle, from trump ousting a lot of his cabinet he picked himself to trump himself and the Ukraine situation, there has to have been corruption from someone that was caught.

Yes Trump was duly elected, but Trump nor anyone is above the law. There also is a lot of bad info out there from websites that create and fester poor ideals and conspiracies to brainwash people into being a political zombie. This is the stuff I really worry about.
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I have never said that someone should not be held accountable for their actions. We all want truth and a clean less corrupted system. There has to be proof and agreement on both sides and we don't have either. People are tired of chasing the crimes for 3 years. Until there is proof there is no way this president or any other president should be removed. There is no way we can even get to the truth without fair trials and court. Witnesses, testimony, the way our system works fairly I mean. I believe it's coming and people will be held accountable but I just don't believe it's Trump. My opinion.
 
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