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Heelyes said:
If it was just about history, why is there no monuments for world war I, world war II, Vietnam, Korea or the revolutionary war? I will tell you why. The statue was put up by bitter racist people who wanted to keep the past alive. It's not a statue that honors all veterans of the great war, just "our Confederate heroes". They were traitors
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Google it. There are monuments around the USA for all the wars you have said. That said we can agree to disagree on the true meaning of a statue.


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NoSnowATL said:
Google it. There are monuments around the USA for all the wars you have said. That said we can agree to disagree on the true meaning of a statue.


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Maybe you should Google it. In the presentation speach for the statue, the chief justice for N.C. said " the 14th amendment that gave freedom to colored people was not adopted legally"
 
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Google it. There are monuments around the USA for all the wars you have said. That said we can agree to disagree on the true meaning of a statue.


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The Daughters of the Confederacy gave it to the county as a "gift". Imagine the daughters of the Nazis putting up a statue of SS soldiers in Germany
 
Heelyes said:
The Daughters of the Confederacy gave it to the county as a "gift". Imagine the daughters of the Nazis putting up a statue of SS soldiers in Germany
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I did google it and there are plenty. Again you have a right to a opinion. I’m glad they removed it and made you feel better.


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NoSnowATL said:
I did google it and there are plenty. Again you have a right to a opinion. I’m glad they removed it and made you feel better.


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There is no monuments to any war in this county or most in N.C other than the ones for our Confederate heroes. I will feel better when all the rebel flags flying in my town today because of this are gone. At the town meeting the people who wanted to keep it asked why there was no black people present if they were offended. I wonder why black people felt uncomfortable being at a meeting with rebel flags everywhere?
 
Heelyes said:
There is no monuments to any war in this county or most in N.C other than the ones for our Confederate heroes. I will feel better when all the rebel flags flying in my town today because of this are gone. At the town meeting the people who wanted to keep it asked why there was no black people present if they were offended. I wonder why black people felt uncomfortable being at a meeting with rebel flags everywhere?
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So you think there should be monuments of all wars in your county ? Those wars weren’t fought in NC only the confederate war.


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Heelyes said:
Let's see, Nazis believed in racial superiority and so did the Confederacy
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The Confederate Secession movement was for states rights. The Nazi Ideals were pure evil and responsible for 50+ MILLION Deaths.
 
NoSnowATL said:
So you think there should be monuments of all wars in your county ? Those wars weren’t fought in NC only the confederate war.


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Pretty sure the revolutionary war was fought in N.C. and we lost soldiers in every war, but why let facts get in the way.
 
Heelyes said:
Pretty sure the revolutionary war was fought in N.C. and we lost soldiers in every war, but why let facts get in the way.
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I didn’t know that, thought it was fought north of NC. I’m sorry you don’t have a monument of that war. You should ask your local officials for one.


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The CSA, were pro-slavery in a time where a lot of people groups and nations around the world supported slavery.

The Nazis were ethnic supremacists who wanted to eradicate every group of people who they thought were unfit for their nation.

While I get that a lot of Confederate monuments were put up and supported by groups who very likely were racist. The Nazi comparison is needlessly hyperbolic.

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Why is the United States the only Country having to deal with “privelage and guilt” shoved down our throats.
This from far left Wikipedia......

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EV_WS said:
Why is the United States the only Country having to deal with “privalage and guilt” shoved down our throats.
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Extremist politicians getting power and a corrupt media system across the board. It's really exaggerated because the majority just want to live their lives and not be bothered. A very small amount of people will go out of their way to shove an extreme viewpoint right or left into the public. Unfortunately, it's these that get the attention. And since we are in a time that leans slightly more progressive, it seems like the portrayal has to be on the far left end of the political spectrum. Incidents only make people get more extreme and it gets into a complicated cycle that only makes it worse. That's why we have more focus on far right and far left groups or individuals causing trouble. Yeah this is off the topic but I figured I'd bring it up since the political environment in today's world is becoming ever so increasingly hostile and you mentioned the whole "privilege and guilt" thing.
 
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The CSA, were pro-slavery in a time where a lot of people groups and nations around the world supported slavery.

The Nazis were ethnic supremacists who wanted to eradicate every group of people who they thought were unfit for their nation.

While I get that a lot of Confederate monuments were put up and supported by groups who very likely were racist. The Nazi comparison is needlessly hyperbolic.

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So thinking you are superior to one race is not as bad as thinking you are superior to all races?
 
metwannabe said:
Just food for thought..... and a fact: there are more slaves in the world today then at anytime during the slave era. But let's worry about stupid statues

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people "worrying" about statues have the same thing between their ears as the statues do ... just sayin' ...
 
pcbjr said:
people "worrying" about statues have the same thing between their ears as the statues do ... just sayin' ...
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The statue staying or moving doesn't worry me. What worries me is all the rebel flags and protests to keep it up come out to intimidate and remind people that we live in the south.
 
Heelyes said:
The statue staying or moving doesn't worry me. What worries me is all the rebel flags and protests to keep it up come out to intimidate and remind people that we live in the south.
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we do live in the south ... and for all the warts, I ain't apologizing for where I live, where I came from and for what I didn't do (btw ... there's warts everywhere, so until other folks cure their own ... )
 
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we do live in the south ... and for all the warts, I ain't apologizing for where I live, where I came from and for what I didn't do (btw ... there's warts everywhere, so until other folks cure their own ... )
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Try telling that to my black step brother who was riding with me today in 2019 and saw a bunch of pissed off people with rebel flags
 
Heelyes said:
Try telling that to my black step brother who was riding with me today in 2019 and saw a bunch of pissed off people with rebel flags
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That's a hard one, but don't lump a quarter of the population of the US (the SE) into what a few rednecks do ... and if you want to see plenty of rednecks, there's Ohio, Oregon, desert California, West Virginia, Indiana ... need I go on ... warts brother, warts ... they exist but they ain't southern as a badge or birthright ...
 
You are right about that it's just hard to see in person. I never had a problem with the statue. I have lived here 43 years and never paid much attention to this matter until I was educated on its history and what it means to to black people and what it means to a small pathetic minority of white people. It's just sad.
 
Heelyes said:
You are right about that it's just hard to see in person. I never had a problem with the statue. I have lived here 43 years and never paid much attention to this matter until I was educated on its history and what it means to to black people and what it means to a small pathetic minority of white people. It's just sad.
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Lots of stuff is sad if you let it be that way ... or just learn from it and move positively forward yourself ... you are the only one you control, and just say a prayer for the rest, but don't let the rest slow your life down ... after all, you've only got one ...
... off the soapbox ... with a prayer ...
 
Heelyes said:
The statue staying or moving doesn't worry me. What worries me is all the rebel flags and protests to keep it up come out to intimidate and remind people that we live in the south.
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Ignorant people are everywhere, not just in your county in NC meaning that it's a part of life, get over it or move.
 
Heelyes said:
Try telling that to my black step brother who was riding with me today in 2019 and saw a bunch of pissed off people with rebel flags
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If your bettering yourself and doing what you're supposed to do in life you don't care what other people say or do
 
Heelyes said:
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So thinking you are superior to one race is not as bad as thinking you are superior to all races?
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No, I am taking in consideration that the Nazis and Confederates existed in different time periods, and were completely different when it came to society, culture, government, etc.

The Confederates were basically just Americans who wanted to keep slavery because they were economically dependent on it. Yes, they were very racist but at that time period a lot of people were very racist, even people like Lincoln believed that black people could not live and integrate in the U.S. Racism was a cultural norm back then

The Nazis entire ideology was based on the premise of genocide of multiple groups, Jews through the Holocaust, their planned colonization of Eastern Europe which would have annihilated the Slavic people groups of that region, not to mention groups that were generally seen as unfit such as disabled, LGBT, Roma, ect. Despite any prejudices against all of those groups during the time period, this idea of genocide was not viewed as morally correct by larger society.

You are comparing Apples to Big Macs here.
 
Also, just putting this out there. After you go back far enough, almost every historical figure that is admired by our society would be considered horrible people by modern standards. This is the reason why we do not project our modern societal views when studying history.
 
Poimen said:
If it happens in the election year the Republicans will have some splaining to do when they inevitably approve a nominee in the senate.
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Oh they'll have an explanation, don't you worry. Why? Because they are hypocrites on that issue. Just like the Democrats are hypocrites on some issues. Our political system is thoroughly corrupt and does a really fantastic job pitting people against each other.

It's underway now, but I will be so glad when more of the population finally wakes up to the fact that, aside from a few core social issues, both parties are essentially on the same team. And that team is so entangled with big corporations, media, Wall Street, and special interest groups, that the average person isn't being represented. They keep us distracted by having us combat each other socially, while they gradually remove freedom, elevate their own power, and gain wealth, all while the economic situation for the average person slowly deteriorates.

The good thing is, more and more people are seeing that. But the bad thing is, I dont think it will reach a critical mass until we face a real crisis of some kind (and it's coming). That's just the way our world works, unfortunately.
 
Rain Cold said:
Oh they'll have an explanation, don't you worry. Why? Because they are hypocrites on that issue. Just like the Democrats are hypocrites on some issues. Our political system is thoroughly corrupt and does a really fantastic job pitting people against each other.

It's underway now, but I will be so glad when more of the population finally wakes up to the fact that, aside from a few core social issues, both parties are essentially on the same team. And that team is so entangled with big corporations, media, Wall Street, and special interest groups, that the average person isn't being represented. They keep us distracted by having us combat each other socially, while they gradually remove freedom, elevate their own power, and gain wealth, all while the economic situation for the average person slowly deteriorates.

The good thing is, more and more people are seeing that. But the bad thing is, I dont think it will reach a critical mass until we face a real crisis of some kind (and it's coming). That's just the way our world works, unfortunately.
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Absolutely they're almost identical, self serving bunch of hypocrites. I've said this before, just look at immigration reform, GOP had House, Senate and WH but couldn't pass anything. As soon as Dems back in house back to pointing fingers.... we have lame duck Gov't most of the time. Scared to stand for anything because they may lose their precious election, their seat, their power.

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Rain Cold said:
Oh they'll have an explanation, don't you worry. Why? Because they are hypocrites on that issue. Just like the Democrats are hypocrites on some issues. Our political system is thoroughly corrupt and does a really fantastic job pitting people against each other.

It's underway now, but I will be so glad when more of the population finally wakes up to the fact that, aside from a few core social issues, both parties are essentially on the same team. And that team is so entangled with big corporations, media, Wall Street, and special interest groups, that the average person isn't being represented. They keep us distracted by having us combat each other socially, while they gradually remove freedom, elevate their own power, and gain wealth, all while the economic situation for the average person slowly deteriorates.

The good thing is, more and more people are seeing that. But the bad thing is, I dont think it will reach a critical mass until we face a real crisis of some kind (and it's coming). That's just the way our world works, unfortunately.
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Term Limits !!
 
I think term limits are too far but if a person in a high political office is diagnosed with a life-threatening health condition and/or their general health declines to a certain point, they should be removed from office immediately.
 
SimeonNC said:
I think term limits are too far but if a person in a high political office is diagnosed with a life-threatening health condition and/or their general health declines to a certain point, they should be removed from office immediately.
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That becomes a slippery slope though. Such as when are they too unhealthy to be unfit? It could be used corruptly to remove a person from office, so I think it's a bad idea. Term limits would actually encourage things to be done though. Politics are very stagnant when people sit in office and do nothing. It reminds me of how the mayor of my closest city was in office for decades and nothing seemed to change until a new mayor was elected. Sometimes it's best to move along the power.
 
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