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BirdManDoomW said:
Is it just me or does Harris seem unintelligent and agreed with everyone else on topics like foreign affairs
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They are all the same. Free this free that and just let the word come to America and get healthcare and a drivers license. Oh and the constitution means nothing along with most laws. Its a joke!


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NoSnowATL said:
They are all the same. Free this free that and just let the word come to America and get healthcare and a drivers license. Oh and the constitution means nothing along with most laws. Its a joke!
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The only thing I liked was the end when Bernie said everything promised is likely not gonna happen just like the past 45 years of trying.
 
Rain Cold said:
Bernie is going to get screwed again just like last time. And it didn't help saying he was going to raise taxes on the middle class. I mean lol.
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At least he said it, we already know taxes are going to have to go up exponentially to pay for all the free free free free free. I usually stay out of the political discussions on here (or any forum for that matter) but I'm fairly politically opinionated, with that said, we are screwed if any of those Dems get elected. Bye bye American dream, bye bye freedom, hello gov't control, regulation and taxation out the wazoooo without representation.
 
Rain Cold said:
Bernie is going to get screwed again just like last time. And it didn't help saying he was going to raise taxes on the middle class. I mean lol.
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He's been saying that from the very beginning. Most of his proposals would be paid through taxation, it's not like he's lied about it, he's been very open and direct about that. The mainstream media is so waist deep in the establishment that they are purposely trying to play stupid as if they are not aware of this fact just to do a "gotcha" against Bernie and mislead American voters.
 
metwannabe said:
At least he said it, we already know taxes are going to have to go up exponentially to pay for all the free free free free free. I usually stay out of the political discussions on here (or any forum for that matter) but I'm fairly politically opinionated, with that said, we are screwed if any of those Dems get elected. Bye bye American dream, bye bye freedom, hello gov't control, regulation and taxation out the wazoooo without representation.
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It forever amazes me how people do not understand that "free" stuff isn't free... How do you not understand that you pay for that free stuff in higher taxes? Not hard to understand lol
 
Weatherlover92 said:
He's been saying that from the very beginning. Most of his proposals would be paid through taxation, it's not like he's lied about it, he's been very open and direct about that. The mainstream media is so waist deep in the establishment that they are purposely trying to play stupid as if they are not aware of this fact just to do a "gotcha" against Bernie and mislead American voters.
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I don't disagree, but once the general main street public starts hearing soundbites of raising taxes, I dont expect it will help him out.
 
Rain Cold said:
I don't disagree, but once the general main street public starts hearing soundbites of raising taxes, I dont expect it will help him out.
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Yeah, I can see some people completely getting turned off once they hear that. However, at the same time Bernie has done town halls on FOX news with republican/independent audience members making the same case about his proposals and how he plans to pay for them and gotten a round of applause for it so who knows for sure. I don't think it will hurt him that much because he's running a copy/paste campaign of 2016 and doubling down on it. I've always felt this, but if Bernie Sanders had the name recognition he has now back in 2016 and got the same level of media attention that Hillary Clinton did, he would have defeated her for the democratic nomination and went up against Trump. Sadly the establishment democratic party did everything in their power to put roadblocks in Bernie's way so they could prop up Hillary, an obviously flaw candidate with a lot of baggage. That worked out well for us. :sarcasm:
 
Weatherlover92 said:
Yeah, I can see some people completely getting turned off once they hear that. However, at the same time Bernie has done town halls on FOX news with republican/independent audience members making the same case about his proposals and how he plans to pay for them and gotten a round of applause for it so who knows for sure. I don't think it will hurt him that much because he's running a copy/paste campaign of 2016 and doubling down on it. I've always felt this, but if Bernie Sanders had the name recognition he has now back in 2016 and got the same level of media attention that Hillary Clinton did, he would have defeated her for the democratic nomination and went up against Trump. Sadly the establishment democratic party did everything in their power to put roadblocks in Bernie's way so they could prop up Hillary, an obviously flaw candidate with a lot of baggage. That worked out well for us. :sarcasm:
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I kind of agree. I dont agree with some of the things he says, but he seems sincere and has some charisma. I just don't see the DNC letting him get too far out of the gate.
 
I'll be voting for the candidate that believes in Capitalism and not Socialism. Who follows though with an agenda that mimics what he campigned off of.

I think its really sad that one of the biggest problems we have in this country , illegal immigration, could simply be solved by just turning folks around at the border. If you want to come to America,then there is a process to do so. But the Progressive movement and the Rhinos who represent the lobbiest in their hip pocket will continue to let this charade unfold and ruin our country. Democratic party is 100% zeroed in on fundamentally changing America and grabbing power by doing away with our constitution and the judeo Christian values that inspired it.
 
NCSNOW said:
I'll be voting for the candidate that believes in Capitalism and not Socialism. Who follows though with an agenda that mimics what he campigned off of.

I think its really sad that one of the biggest problems we have in this country , illegal immigration, could simply be solved by just turning folks around at the border. If you want to come to America,then there is a process to do so. But the Progressive movement and the Rhinos who represent the lobbiest in their hip pocket will continue to let this charade unfold and ruin our country. Democratic party is 100% zeroed in on fundamentally changing America and grabbing power by doing away with our constitution and the judeo Christian values that inspired it.
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NCSNOW said:
I'll be voting for the candidate that believes in Capitalism and not Socialism. Who follows though with an agenda that mimics what he campigned off of.

I think its really sad that one of the biggest problems we have in this country , illegal immigration, could simply be solved by just turning folks around at the border. If you want to come to America,then there is a process to do so. But the Progressive movement and the Rhinos who represent the lobbiest in their hip pocket will continue to let this charade unfold and ruin our country. Democratic party is 100% zeroed in on fundamentally changing America and grabbing power by doing away with our constitution and the judeo Christian values that inspired it.
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They constantly conflate illegal immigration with legal immigration and then hammer anyone opposed to illegals as being opposed to immigration, which is a fabricated lie. Again utilizing the main stream media to rally the growing number of uninformed voters to garner votes to remain in power. They want votes, they don't really care about anyone but themselves.
 
Although I'm not a supporter of her, I have to admit that Harris looked strong against Biden, whom I like from my right of center independent perspective. (I'd call him a little left of center overall, which is far more moderate than most of the other Dems.) But I've just read that criticizing Harris endangers one to being labeled racist and misogynistic. That may have held Biden back from fighting back harder against her last night. Does anyone else feel that there's something seriously wrong with that picture? There's so much emphasis of many liberals on identity based politics that it almost seems like words like racist, sexist, homophobe, etc., are every other word coming out of their mouths and that they LOVE having the opportunity to spout out these words. I feel I'm as anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobe, and anti group based hatred/prejudices in general as just about anyone. But these liberals whom I'm describing not only cheapen accusations of true group based hatred. They also show as much, if not more, hatred back toward conservatives and even moderates (often HEAVILY profanity laden, too). To them that's ok as long as it isn't group based. They can be nasty as they want as long as it isn't group based hatred. By the way, isn't their hatred toward non-liberals in reality just another form of group based hatred?
 
GaWx said:
Although I'm not a supporter of her, I have to admit that Harris looked strong against Biden, whom I like from my right of center independent perspective. (I'd call him a little left of center overall, which is far more moderate than most of the other Dems.) But I've just read that criticizing Harris endangers one to being labeled racist and misogynistic. That may have held Biden back from fighting back harder against her last night. Does anyone else feel that there's something seriously wrong with that picture? There's so much emphasis of many liberals on identity based politics that it almost seems like words like racist, sexist, homophobe, etc., are every other word coming out of their mouths and that they LOVE having the opportunity to spout out these words. I feel I'm as anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobe, and anti group based hatred/prejudices in general as just about anyone. But these liberals whom I'm describing not only cheapen accusations of true group based hatred. They also show as much, if not more, hatred back toward conservatives and even moderates (often HEAVILY profanity laden, too). To them that's ok as long as it isn't group based. They can be nasty as they want as long as it isn't group based hatred. By the way, isn't their hatred toward non-liberals in reality just another form of group based hatred?
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Yeah she definitely put a hurting on Biden, I believe his time is running out tbh and doubt seriously he will be the Dem nominee. Let's face it, they are targeting him hard because he is not liberal enough... wow. To your point I do think there is something seriously wrong with that picture, I'm no fan of identity politics or anything for that matter. Run for an office, apply for a job, look for a promotion, whatever it is, off of your merit, your work ethic, your reputation, your abilities, not what group or class you belong too... I thought we were putting identity politics behind us oh and I thought Dems were the tolerant ones?
 
metwannabe said:
Yeah she definitely put a hurting on Biden, I believe his time is running out tbh and doubt seriously he will be the Dem nominee. Let's face it, they are targeting him hard because he is not liberal enough... wow. To your point I do think there is something seriously wrong with that picture, I'm no fan of identity politics or anything for that matter. Run for an office, apply for a job, look for a promotion, whatever it is, off of your merit, your work ethic, your reputation, your abilities, not what group or class you belong too... I thought we were putting identity politics behind us oh and I thought Dems were the tolerant ones?
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Indeed, many liberals first see every individual as being a member of a class first rather than seeing them for the unique person who they are. These folks are kind of acting like bigots, themselves, in doing so.

For those who haven't seen it, I recommend they see the movie "Crash" from 2004. It highlights very well the hypocrisy of many who accuse others of being prejudiced as it shows in a very clever way that the accusers, themselves, often have their own different kinds of prejudices.
 
To @metwannabe and others: Many of these liberals openly hate groups such as the police and rich folks rather than even attempting to distinguish the relatively few bad apples from the majority good. That's a form of prejudice if you ask me. But to them that form of hatred is ok because the police and the rich aren't in a weak position or some sort of BS like that.
 
GaWx said:
To @metwannabe and others: Many of these liberals openly hate groups such as the police and rich folks rather than even attempting to distinguish the relatively few bad apples from the majority good. That's a form of prejudice if you ask me. But to them that form of hatred is ok because the police and the rich aren't in a weak position or some sort of BS like that.
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They also have a general disdain for whites and Christians. It's so ironic that their on morbid sense of tolerance causes them to embrace a religion, radical Islam, that actually puts those in the LGBQT community to death for their decisions and still treats women as property. They are blinded by their own hypocrisy and of course feel that anyone who holds a difference of opinion is either a bigot, racist, homophobe, pick the term of the day they like to use.

They're only tolerant of those who believe as they do and have a visceral hatred for anyone else
 
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