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Shaggy said:
I left my job back on January first. Spent 8 months as a stay at home dad and just recently went back. The pay scales are the same as when I left. Those tax cuts didn't trickle down to better pay for the floor workers.
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Not sure what to tell you. Sometimes you have to make a move to move up.
 
Sandbar said:
Im doing fine. Sorry to hear things arent going your way
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I'm not doing better or worse than 2016 but the bubble is growing and will pop eventually. I just hope for your sake pence isn't brought down with Trump. President Pelosi would be too funny
 
Heelyes said:
I'm not doing better or worse than 2016 but the bubble is growing and will pop eventually. I just hope for your sake pence isn't brought down with Trump. President Pelosi would be too funny
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I hope for everyone's sake we never have a President Pelosi.

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Heelyes said:
I'm not doing better or worse than 2016 but the bubble is growing and will pop eventually. I just hope for your sake pence isn't brought down with Trump. President Pelosi would be too funny
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No economy grows forever. We will have a pullback at some point. The difference between it lasting 6 months versus years has much to do with those in charge of policy. Im sure we differ on who best to turn it around if/when it happens but I feel confident a pro business President has an advantage over a candidate proposing 30+ trillion in new social programs. Somebody has to pay for pipe dreans
 
Sandbar said:
Not sure what to tell you. Sometimes you have to make a move to move up.
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Not sure what this means. I'm not talking about moving up I'm talking about companies having more money because of tax breaks and that money not making into the hands of the workers/middle class.

I would have been happier if the tax cuts for them had to be structured so that of the money saved in tax cuts that X% had to be invested into workers or their benefits.
 
Sandbar said:
No economy grows forever. We will have a pullback at some point. The difference between it lasting 6 months versus years has much to do with those in charge of policy. Im sure we differ on who best to turn it around if/when it happens but I feel confident a pro business President has an advantage over a candidate proposing 30+ trillion in new social programs. Somebody has to pay for pipe dreans
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We are going broke with a pro business president without any pipe dreams. If there was a projected surplus anytime soon with theses policies you would have a point. What's so bad about a tax system similar to Eisenhower? The 50s were just as robust as now only we built the highways that made America great and we weren't going broke.
 
Heelyes said:
We are going broke with a pro business president without any pipe dreams. If there was a projected surplus anytime soon with theses policies you would have a point. What's so bad about a tax system similar to Eisenhower? The 50s were just as robust as now only we built the highways that made America great and we weren't going broke.
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Newsflash: We didnt just start spending money and we arent going broke. I dont want an Eisenhower tax system because I dont trust government to spend it on what I deem appropriate expenditures. Civil infrastructure and military yes but I am biased towards military spending as I am still tied to it even though I am no longer active duty
 
ForsythSnow said:
We just came out of WW2 at that point and businesses made a ton off the war. The world relied on America for a lot. That's not the case today.
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That doesn't change the fact that taxes were higher. There was no welfare yet but companies actually offered and honored pensions. Working people could actually survive and even prosper while the top made only a fraction of what they get now. If you worked full time back then doing almost anything you made enough to buy a home. There is no amount of cuts to entitlements that can offset our debt. There is no amount of growth that can either, raising taxes is the only way to pay our debt.
 
Heelyes said:
That doesn't change the fact that taxes were higher. There was no welfare yet but companies actually offered and honored pensions. Working people could actually survive and even prosper while the top made only a fraction of what they get now. If you worked full time back then doing almost anything you made enough to buy a home. There is no amount of cuts to entitlements that can offset our debt. There is no amount of growth that can either, raising taxes is the only way to pay our debt.
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Remind me real quick which candidate is proposing raising taxes to pay off debt?
 
It seems like socialist ideas are only bad when they benefit the poor. We pay for food stamps and healthcare for people who work for big corporations that refuse to offer benefits or a living wage to their workers but reap huge profits for shareholders and CEOs. We bail out big corporations when they fail because they were run by greedy people but preach free market. I lived in Canada for a brief time in my 20s, the healthcare system there is much better than ours. It's easy to repeat talking points from fox but if you actually saw the difference most people would be surprised. Taxes are higher there but not by more than we pay for insurance that doesn't even cover us. I don't think America should ever be socialist but I do think healthcare should not be for profit. Corporations should do more than make money for shareholders, they should take care of their employees so the government doesn't have to. If they won't we should tax them enough to offset the cost. Take a break from Trump and tell me how I'm wrong.
 
Shaggy said:
I left my job back on January first. Spent 8 months as a stay at home dad and just recently went back. The pay scales are the same as when I left. Those tax cuts didn't trickle down to better pay for the floor workers.
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No, but it gave me a chunk more on the child tax credit.
 
Heelyes said:
It seems like socialist ideas are only bad when they benefit the poor. We pay for food stamps and healthcare for people who work for big corporations that refuse to offer benefits or a living wage to their workers but reap huge profits for shareholders and CEOs. We bail out big corporations when they fail because they were run by greedy people but preach free market. I lived in Canada for a brief time in my 20s, the healthcare system there is much better than ours. It's easy to repeat talking points from fox but if you actually saw the difference most people would be surprised. Taxes are higher there but not by more than we pay for insurance that doesn't even cover us. I don't think America should ever be socialist but I do think healthcare should not be for profit. Corporations should do more than make money for shareholders, they should take care of their employees so the government doesn't have to. If they won't we should tax them enough to offset the cost. Take a break from Trump and tell me how I'm wrong.
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So if companies dont meet the litmus test the government sets forth for taking care of employees we tax them more to offset the cost? Thats your solution? What if those same employees dont take care of their money? Lets say the squander it, shoot it up their veins or just flat live beyond their means? Are you gonna punish those people with higher taxes for not taking care of their income or is it just the companies that get punished for their employees inability to take care of themselves?
 
Sandbar said:
So if companies dont meet the litmus test the government sets forth for taking care of employees we tax them more to offset the cost? Thats your solution? What if those same employees dont take care of their money? Lets say the squander it, shoot it up their veins or just flat live beyond their means? Are you gonna punish those people with higher taxes for not taking care of their income or is it just the companies that get punished for their employees inability to take care of themselves?
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Who can take care of themselves making 12.00 per hour? If they are shooting up drugs, they should get fired. I don't understand bringing drug use up as a excuse for companies reaping huge profits by exploiting the government and their employees. Tax payers give billions to pharmaceutical companies to develop drugs. When they are patented by those companies, they charge whatever they want and then pay as little taxes as possible. A large amount of deficit spending goes to help people who work for companies that don't offer healthcare and don't pay enough to feed a family. My point is companies can and should pay more taxes if they are profiting off of tax money. We should offer tax breaks to companies that play fair and tax the ones that don't.
 
Heelyes said:
Who can take care of themselves making 12.00 per hour? If they are shooting up drugs, they should get fired. I don't understand bringing drug use up as a excuse for companies reaping huge profits by exploiting the government and their employees. Tax payers give billions to pharmaceutical companies to develop drugs. When they are patented by those companies, they charge whatever they want and then pay as little taxes as possible. A large amount of deficit spending goes to help people who work for companies that don't offer healthcare and don't pay enough to feed a family. My point is companies can and should pay more taxes if they are profiting off of tax money. We should offer tax breaks to companies that play fair and tax the ones that don't.
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Ok let's take drug use out of the equation... If companies are gov't forced to pay employees more, what if employees don't spend their money "wisely", what if they don't share it with their kids, their family, a neighbor down on their luck, what if they are selfish with it, keep it for themselves? Is the gov't going to punish them with higher taxes? Take their money, make the company fire them because they aren't spending it as the gov't dictates? Where does it stop? Gov't has no business running companies, that's not how the fair market works, also known as socialism, which never ever works.
 
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