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We agree!
Downeastnc
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I Would Cooperate.........
I will "Hand Over" my buttload of ammo FIRST.
LOL it wouldn't even come to it, look at the record of places trying confiscation, it never works, the cool thing about the 2nd amendment is no one can take it away, thus ensuring all the other amendments cant be taken as well.
Shaggy
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This is just another example of trump being so mad that Obama has something he doesnt. From inauguration crowd sizes to Nobel prize trump is straight out jealous of Obama. The sad part is half if his supporters will probably believe his lie that he had something to do with this when theres mountains of proof he didn't.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...-ethiopia-as-trump-claims-hand-in-nobel-prize
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...-ethiopia-as-trump-claims-hand-in-nobel-prize
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What did Obama do that deserved a "Nobel" prize exactly? Was it because he is half African and was elected President of the United States? The Nobel Price is meaningless. Also, how exactly did you determine Trump's emotional state from the information in this link? I don't think It proves anything, especially if he has animosity toward Obama. I really don't care for Trump or Obama as people or politicians so I could care less about any of this crap.
You should be more clear that these are your opinions, I think.
Shaggy
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Obama did nothing for the Nobel he won. Nothing. He also didn't go around taking credit for something he had nothing to do with while complaining he hadnt won a nobel yet.
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I don't know why anyone would be sorry for not "winning" something that is meaningless...
Shaggy
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Trump sure seems butthurt he hasn't gotten one yet.
This is a very rare editorial linked by Yahoo News that is pro Trump and from a conservative. In a desire to be open-minded since I’m not a pro Trumper, I’d like to hear from anti-Trumpers to see if they think Scott Jennings has a worthy point:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ho...e-suffering-from-mass-amnesia?template=ampart
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ho...e-suffering-from-mass-amnesia?template=ampart
Downeastnc
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Meh it was about what you expect from a person trying to prop up Trump.....look Trump so far has done ok with Iran, it is also not over and we will see how it turns out. Trump very much thinks he deserves the credit for killing Soleimani......however Trump and most conservatives were loathed to give Obama any credit for killing Bin Laden.......its just funny how now though those same people give Trump all the credit here.....even when he didnt back in 2012....
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Stop congratulating Obama for killing Bin Laden. The Navy Seals killed Bin Laden. #debate
@realDonaldTrump
Why don't we ask the Navy SEALs who killed Bin Laden? They don't seem to be happy with Obama claiming credit. All he did is say O.K.
5:21 PM · Oct 22, 2012·Twitter Web Client
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I spent 16 years in the teams. I was with Team 2 at Little Creek in 2011 and knew a few of the guys in Red Squadron on that raid. The majority of guys in the white teams didn't care that he took credit. The anger came at the leaks that SEALS from DEVGRU carried it out. That was very stupid....
Shaggy
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This is why he has such a credibility issue.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-trumps-distortions-145334975.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-trumps-distortions-145334975.html
The left is being typical here. Here's how it goes right? Government tries to take guns. Patriots stand up for their God given right and constitution. Government cries fowl and blames the patriots and throws around words like terrorism. Patriots accused of being the aggressors. It's laughable and not going to work anymore...People are too smart for this crap. The 2nd amendment is in place for just these kinds of situations. And yes, believe it. No matter how the left spins it, it will be war and it's already planned and ready for action if need be. Might as well just leave this one alone...It's not debatable and nobody is buying these twisted flipped talking points from anybody. Those days are over.
Heelyes
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Delusional people started the first civil war and got their ass handed to them, don't see any reason that won't happen again if another is started.
Uh Oh....
Tornadocane
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It's your source that has the credibility issue. The peace in between Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopa, Djibouti, Sudan, and Egypt were a direct result of plan devised by Trump and King Salman of Saudi Arabia to create a "Middle East Strategic Alliance" against Iran and its proxy wars.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...vive-arab-nato-to-confront-iran-idUSKBN1KH2IK
Saudi Arabia brokered the deal between the Red Sea States across from Yemen, creating a choke point to blockade Iran from supplying proxies, in addition to, controlling trade through the Suez Canal. The U.S. mediated the Nile River deal between Ethiopia, Sudan and Egypt, as well as control basis in Djibouti, Somalia, and Kenya to fight the Iranian-supported Al-Shabbab militia that prevented Horn of Africa countries from forming stable governments.
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1593511
President Trump’s actions are all part of a grand strategy that eludes all leftist, as well as many others while keeping his campaign promises of no never-ending wars. Those not intelligent enough to see what a grand plan this was whimper about offending Iran and causing our allies to wonder what will happen next. They are sheep, led to slaughter, through their own ignorance. Here's the strategy:
https://www.military.com/daily-news...e-strategy-marks-near-peer-rivals-return.html
It's actually ironic that Obama received a peace prize as soon as he was elected President, and the winner of this years award won by making a peace deal with the country that the Obama Administration had falsely called a terrorist state. Obama was a major cause of the instability throughout the Horn of Africa state, and divided the region in favor of Iranian-backed militia. He allowed Iran to take Iraq and Lebanon as proxy states, and almost gave away Syria, Yemen, and Afghanistan. Trump has completely reversed Iran's national goal of a Persian empire of Shia" muslims in less than two years by killing the one guy Obama and Bush, not only knew was killing U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also had a chance to kill.
https://my.nps.edu/documents/105858...an_Oct18/eef1b728-2aa8-4be0-a4db-e0e371819656
Essentially, with one single action, President Trump severely weakened Iran’s ability to wage war through their proxies, caused the world to see just how impotent Iran really is, and proved to the revolutionaries within Iran that America stands with them. I'm stunned by his Administration's performance in the Middle East.
Great info.
Downeastnc
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No its not its all BS, Trump did absolutely nothing concerning that deal, NOTHING....he had no part in it, he was not there for any of the discussion, he never did a damn thing regarding that peace treaty. Trump is jealous that Obama got a peace prize ( he didnt deserve it ) and Trump doesnt have one, he brings it up all the time.
Here are my thoughts about this opinion piece:
My first thought is that it is highly unusual for Yahoo News, which is ridiculously anti-Trump, to link to an opinion piece from a pro-Trump conservative. But my 2nd thought is to keep in mind that this is a pro-Trump guy writing this. So, no surprise there. My 3rd thought is this: this Iranian General Trump who was killed was an absolutely evil man who my Iranian friend said has killed even his own countrymen. So, it is good he’s dead! The Democrats are being political in saying bad things about this. Although I’d rather Trump had had him killed in a more secretive manner (CIA), he deserves kudos instead of negativity. The Dems and most of the media do not want to give him credit for anything. But my last thing is that Trump criticized Obama getting any credit for Bin Ladin being killed. That’s quite hypocritical to brag about this general being killed under his watch after having criticized Obama.
In summary, Trump appears to have done pretty well with Iran (how well depends on how events unfold from here) despite what the Dems and most media outlets are saying, but it is still hypocritical politics as usual on BOTH sides, which never ends. I still would love someone like John Kasich to start a more moderate party more like the Republicans of old.
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It's a fact. The Trump Administration and Saudi Arabia had planned this coalition in the Horn of African from the very beginning of his Presidency, and the result of this effort led to the peace deal between nations in the region. Without U.S. support, the Saudi King couldn't have brokered the peace deal with the two countries. That's what Trump's 2018 meeting with Saudi Arabia was all about. It's unfortunate that you aren't aware of it.
"The increasing involvement of Horn of Africa countries in Yemen and Gulf politics, particularly Djibouti, has larger implications. The United States has a military base in Djibouti which supports several thousand personnel, and China, France, Italy and Japan also have bases located there. Secretary of Defense James Mattis visited Djibouti in April of 2017. The immediate impact of the war in Yemen was pressure brought to reduce any connections that Sudan and other countries in the Horn had with Iran."
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/middle-eastern-rivalry-good-africa-37362
"In September 2018 Abiy Ahmed and Eritrean President Isaias Afewerki jointly signed a peace agreement in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. They agreed to officially demarcate the two countries’ contested border, and to cooperation in the fields of politics, defence, economy, and trade... The purpose of the peace agreement is to strengthen the UNITED STATES-backed anti-Iran axis and to prevent an Iranian presence on the Red Sea coast."
https://www.giga-hamburg.de/en/publ...eostrategic-power-games-in-the-horn-of-africa
I agree Obama should have gotten credit for bin ladin. It is hypocritical.
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Downeastnc
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How many meetings did Trump attend? How many times did he host either country to personally negotiate the peace treaty? Trump was not personally involved with any of this...that's the point. What he did in no way rises to the level of deserving a Nobel Peace Prize.
Don't you ever get tired of arguing with everybody all the time? Have you ever considered that you may be wrong? I've said many times that I could be wrong.
Downeastnc
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I am not arguing with anyone....but I do have a issue with crappy data and facts. Find me anything anywhere that shows that Trump was even remotely a part of this peace process. Do you think Trump deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for his "efforts" in brokering a peace treaty between these two nations? The scary part is Trump absolutely thinks he does.....
I personally think the Peace Prize is a waste of time.. and myself and other people probably agree that it doesn't matter to us if he was to get that or not. But what does matter are results and it doesn't necessarily matter how those results are achieved as long as it benefits the USA.
Shaggy
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Heres the significant problem with your statement IMO. Respectfully your statement is one of the most dangerous statements we face.
Problems with it are.
A) "benefits" are subjective. What you see as a benefit is not what the people who want free college see benefits as. By your statement when they are in charge anyway they get the loan debt erased should be seen as ok even if it's a 90% tax on everything.
B) This mentality is what makes the swamp the swamp. This is what allows rampant partisanship and dysfunction throughout our system.
That welcome for the POTUS at the natty though. USA USA USA
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Downeastnc
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Romney indicates he will vote to see Bolton testify, hopefully this means the Dems have the 4 GOP senators they need to force the issue.....Nancy must think so because it sounds like they will send over the articles this week.....The Dems may have as many as 6-8 GOP senators ready to vote for witnesses.....
From James O'Keefe: Stay tuned everyone. Something very big is going to happen. The first bombshell tape is going to drop this week.
http://www.expose2020.com/
http://www.expose2020.com/
Shaggy
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Oh boy
First video dropped. Ummm..Well that is scary! WTH Bernie...
Downeastnc
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Wow these Parnas document drops the House intel committee is doing are crazy...….
LOL you guys are right about corruption in the Ukraine but it wont be Biden that goes down for it...a conversation between Robert Hyde and Parnas , all of these folks are working for Rudy/Trump "off" the books in Ukraine.....this is about them trying to force out Yovonovitch because she will be in the way of Trump forcing Ukraine to go after Biden....
“They know she’s a political puppet,” Hyde texted. “They will let me know when she’s on the move… They are willing to help if you/we would like a price.”
“Guess you can do anything in Ukraine with money… what I was told,” Hyde messaged. Parnas responded: “LOL.”
Also what kind of help are these people willing to do...it no wonder she feared for her life.
Just wow.....https://intelligence.house.gov/uplo...l_letter_to_hjc_-_new_evidence_attachment.pdf
LOL you guys are right about corruption in the Ukraine but it wont be Biden that goes down for it...a conversation between Robert Hyde and Parnas , all of these folks are working for Rudy/Trump "off" the books in Ukraine.....this is about them trying to force out Yovonovitch because she will be in the way of Trump forcing Ukraine to go after Biden....
“They know she’s a political puppet,” Hyde texted. “They will let me know when she’s on the move… They are willing to help if you/we would like a price.”
“Guess you can do anything in Ukraine with money… what I was told,” Hyde messaged. Parnas responded: “LOL.”
Also what kind of help are these people willing to do...it no wonder she feared for her life.
Just wow.....https://intelligence.house.gov/uplo...l_letter_to_hjc_-_new_evidence_attachment.pdf
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Shaggy
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O'Keefe has serious credibility issues.
But what do you think about Kyle? He's already been arrested btw. This is not good..
Shaggy
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I'm assuming you are speaking about the guy threatening to burn down Milwaukee?
If it's real then sure he needs to be held responsible.
Then the question becomes did Bernie tell him to burn down Mikwaukee?
Downeastnc
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Parnas on Maddow right now ending Trump's presidency or at least that is what should happen based on this information if the GOP had a spine....the sooner they man up and ditch Trump the sooner the GOP can right the ship and salvage 2020.
Wholeheartedly agree. McConnell and Graham have been enabling this behavior from a RINO. He was a Dem his entire life until it suited him. He’s not Pro 2A like some say. He enacted the bump stock ban (going to be overturned by court decision most likely). How about this lovely quote? “I like taking the guns early... to go to court would have taken a long time... take the guns first, go through due process second," Trump said.
This man literally said F*CK the Second and Fourth amendments. He has made America a joke on the world stage. He is a narcissist that needs constant reassuring. He’s a liar that has told 15,000 plus lies (on record) and his tweets from the Obama presidency where he criticized President Obama have come back to bite him in the ass. He tweets things that Obama shouldn’t have done, yet he turns around and does the same things he complained about. He tweeted about things that a real President should do, but now that he’s President, he doesn’t do those things.
He’s a recalcitrant child and if you don’t agree with him, he gets rid of you. He wants nothing but yes men around him. Say what you will about George W. Bush, but at least he surrounded himself with differing points of view and smart people. He said the one thing about being a successful President is hiring people smarter than you are. He may have not been the brightest crayon in the box (according to some people) but at least he was Presidential. Just like President Obama, President Clinton, President GHW Bush, President Reagan...
Shaggy
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So seeing the texts between parnas and lutchenko it was a QPQ from lutchenko to trump. Want dirt on Biden/Burisma (not sure which the B stands for) then yovonavitch has to go.
Trump should be done. If this is all officially collaborated then this is so much bigger than a phone call in July.
Trump should be done. If this is all officially collaborated then this is so much bigger than a phone call in July.
Downeastnc
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Parnas really did a number on the entire Trump admin, I mean even if only half ofwhat Parnas said tonight was true it would be huge, basically Parnas drove a big ole bus and ran them all over.....he took what everyone suspected and tied it all together with a neat little bow. There is so much here all of it shows how corrupt and twisted this entire thing was. There is no way to defend it other than willful ignorance, though there will be plenty of it from the GOP and Trumpers.
The text messages and voicemails being released show exactly how this all went down, the irony is that Trump and friends like to pretend they are draining the swamp but this is some of the most corrupt behavior ever by a presidential administration. Its time for the GOP leadership andvoters to wake the hell up and do the right thing here.
The text messages and voicemails being released show exactly how this all went down, the irony is that Trump and friends like to pretend they are draining the swamp but this is some of the most corrupt behavior ever by a presidential administration. Its time for the GOP leadership andvoters to wake the hell up and do the right thing here.
For the record, here’s a different take from Fox News fwiw: any thoughts?
“Parnas, in rare interview, undermines House Dems' claims that Trump team surveilled Ukraine ambassador”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...trump-yovanovitch-ukraine-house-democrats.amp
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