Political Thread

[Sandbar]

I cant watch the impeachment inquiry rule vote but I hear the GOP is crying about the rules......which is ironic since the current rules that are in place where put there by the GOP.......you cant make this stuff up. It as a conservative is disappointing to see no one on the right with a backbone willing to stand up to Trump and demand that the party deserves better.[/QUOTE]

What in your opinion is better? Somebody who doesn't hurt anybody's feelings? Politics is a dirty game. You have somebody in office now that actually DOES have a backbone. Now you want somebody to stand up to the guy standing up to the corruption he has pointed out for years. I have news for you....Mr. Rodgers isn't going to pop up and win an election for you. Better to have a SOB in charge that gets it done by brute force which is how you have to achieve an objective when "others" are standing in the way....Just my 2 cents

 

[Shaggy]

I cant watch the impeachment inquiry rule vote but I hear the GOP is crying about the rules......which is ironic since the current rules that are in place where put there by the GOP.......you cant make this stuff up. It as a conservative is disappointing to see no one on the right with a backbone willing to stand up to Trump and demand that the party deserves better.

What in your opinion is better? Somebody who doesn't hurt anybody's feelings? Politics is a dirty game. You have somebody in office now that actually DOES have a backbone. Now you want somebody to stand up to the guy standing up to the corruption he has pointed out for years. I have news for you....Mr. Rodgers isn't going to pop up and win an election for you. Better to have a SOB in charge that gets it done by brute force which is how you have to achieve an objective when "others" are standing in the way....Just my 2 cents[/QUOTE]

Having a backbone is no good when you use that backbone in the wrong ways.

 

[Shaggy]

These are not my words but rather the words of a pretty smart man elsewhere who is a strong Trump supporter totally unlike me. Despite my differences, I consider myself to be open-minded enough to consider some points made by the pro-Trump side. For those who are not Trump fans, is there any chance this man has a valid point here?

"I misstated that the call was only about the 2016 election last week but I read the transcript over again to be sure of what I was stating and he does mention Biden one time, so for sure he wanted part of the overall investigation into corruption to include Biden..............and it was a big reason for him.

However, the quid pro quo never happened. He did not insist or demand anything, he asked the president nicely if he would look into it corruption and mentioned specifially the Bidens and 2016 election and Ukraines money still came to them without Trump getting anything in return, so there can't be a quid pro quo by definition.

Can the president of the US ask a foreign country to look into corruption......where there looks to be obvious corruption?

Of course he can.

Can he ask them to dig up dirt on a political opponent and make military aid contingent upon them doing that(quid pro quo) of course he can't..........and the evidence clearly shows that it did not happen...........despite the never Trumpers claiming the phone call shows it.

The phone call features him asking nicely for an investigation, specifically into the corruption that he has been/is most affected by............but our country is/was also affected by that same corruption too.

How can anybody think that Biden's situation or the 2016 election corruption, both involving likely corruption in the Ukraine don't justify an investigation.

That would be like telling the democrats right now, 'hey, you can't investigate corruption that you claim Trump committed because he is from the opposite party and that would be political'

Trump did not ask for anything other than an investigation.

Schiff was the one that made up 'dig up dirt' and asked 7 times bs that he read into the record."
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To the folks like me who are NOT Trump fans, I know it isn't easy due to bias but I'm asking you to also be open-minded enough to read this and tell me if it is possible this man has a valid point. TIA.

When looking at the totality of what is known there is a problem with this guys point. One is that you only are looking at the call as the only proof that can deciphered.Never mind the shadow diplomacy of Rudy that was there for months pressuring behind the scene. If you look at the OMB letter that was backed by both the sec. of defense and the state dept then you get the sense that Ukraine had done enough to combat that corruption. one would have to believe trump basically called them liars because they released the aid only to have it held by trump. Now trump may have asked "nicely" but he was holding the aid. By mentioning Biden, crowd strike trump was then seeking help with the corruption would benefit him personally.

Now lets see.....we give Isreal 3B a year and that country is eat up with major corruption. To the point indictments of major people are going to be coming down. If trump cares about corruption why not fight corruption there? Why only Ukraine and why the specificity of crowdstrike and Biden?

 

[Sandbar]

What in your opinion is better? Somebody who doesn't hurt anybody's feelings? Politics is a dirty game. You have somebody in office now that actually DOES have a backbone. Now you want somebody to stand up to the guy standing up to the corruption he has pointed out for years. I have news for you....Mr. Rodgers isn't going to pop up and win an election for you. Better to have a SOB in charge that gets it done by brute force which is how you have to achieve an objective when "others" are standing in the way....Just my 2 cents

Having a backbone is no good when you use that backbone in the wrong ways.[/QUOTE]

Hence the reason I labeled it as BRUTE FORCE. What is right and wrong is subjective at best

 

[Downeastnc]

I cant watch the impeachment inquiry rule vote but I hear the GOP is crying about the rules......which is ironic since the current rules that are in place where put there by the GOP.......you cant make this stuff up. It as a conservative is disappointing to see no one on the right with a backbone willing to stand up to Trump and demand that the party deserves better.

What in your opinion is better? Somebody who doesn't hurt anybody's feelings? Politics is a dirty game. You have somebody in office now that actually DOES have a backbone. Now you want somebody to stand up to the guy standing up to the corruption he has pointed out for years. I have news for you....Mr. Rodgers isn't going to pop up and win an election for you. Better to have a SOB in charge that gets it done by brute force which is how you have to achieve an objective when "others" are standing in the way....Just my 2 cents[/QUOTE]


That is the funniest thing I have read yet, you actually think Trump is standing up to corruption.....that's hilarious, Trump is a con man, a liar, a cheat, heck he cheats on everything, on wives, taxes, screws contractors out of money all the time etc etc etc yet this is the guy you think is draining the swamp.....Trump is using the office of president to further his and his personal families businesses etc....the amount of stuff that is going to come out about the level of corruption of Trump's admin is going to shock a lot of Trumpers.

Trump is a giant jackass, being a giant jackass does not help him at all. all it does is make him a giant jackass.

 

[Sandbar]

What in your opinion is better? Somebody who doesn't hurt anybody's feelings? Politics is a dirty game. You have somebody in office now that actually DOES have a backbone. Now you want somebody to stand up to the guy standing up to the corruption he has pointed out for years. I have news for you....Mr. Rodgers isn't going to pop up and win an election for you. Better to have a SOB in charge that gets it done by brute force which is how you have to achieve an objective when "others" are standing in the way....Just my 2 cents

That is the funniest thing I have read yet, you actually think Trump is standing up to corruption.....that's hilarious, Trump is a con man, a liar, a cheat, heck he cheats on everything, on wives, taxes, screws contractors out of money all the time etc etc etc yet this is the guy you think is draining the swamp.....Trump is using the office of president to further his and his personal families businesses etc....the amount of stuff that is going to come out about the level of corruption of Trump's admin is going to shock a lot of Trumpers.

Trump is a giant jackass, being a giant jackass does not help him at all. all it does is make him a giant jackass.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you folks will get what you are wishing for, maybe you wont. I will adapt and survive as I have for the last 30 years. This horse has been beaten to death so Im gonna jump out of the Trump hating end of it.......

 

[Metwannabe]

Why are all the quotes not translating properly in here?

 

[Avalanche]

Trump is fighting against anti constitutionalist, China loving communist. For those that don't like his policies, you are siding with politicians that support the "green new deal", more government regulations, anti-military and defense, more open borders, after birth abortions, "the kicking of your door down and taking your guns", new death tax (which will greatly reduce the private sector, and all the assets you plan on leaving your kids will belong to the government instead). I'm sorry but if you think he is a lying jackass I will take that over the Dems proposals and policies which will rob the private sector of jobs, revenue, oh, and self defense rights. Speaking of lying, he is a choir boy compared to Pelosi, Hillary. At least the new dems (the squad, and others) are telling the truth when they come out and say "yeah, we are going with the green new deal, taking your guns, after birth abortions, taxing you to death...no pun intended".

 

[Wildboutsnow]

We are rolling alright, straight towards a cliff.

How could you possibly say that? Help wanted signs everywhere! Semis crowding the roads moving and shaking! Tax cuts (mine are 200 plus a month), Delivery services (my husband) busier than ever etc etc. The proof is in the pudding. Thank God we have a tough business man leading this country and he IS draining the swamp. Dems and Republicans alike and restoring power to WE THE PEOPLE like it's suppose to be. Exposing the mafia government. This is not a game. Serious business. God Bless America

 

[Shaggy]

How could you possibly say that? Help wanted signs everywhere! Semis crowding the roads moving and shaking! Tax cuts (mine are 200 plus a month), Delivery services (my husband) busier than ever etc etc. The proof is in the pudding. Thank God we have a tough business man leading this country and he IS draining the swamp. Dems and Republicans alike and restoring power to WE THE PEOPLE like it's suppose to be. Exposing the mafia government. This is not a game. Serious business. God Bless America

So a quick question. You say is is draining the swamp. However Republicans lost their butts in 2018 and lost control of the house. For people who say he is draining the swamp does this mean yall think Republicans are what needs to be drained? Cause that's sure what happened.

 

[Wildboutsnow]

Some of y'all aren't going to like this. But in this world there are winners and losers, sometimes a kid is an outstanding ball player worthy of MVP and sometimes a kid isn't good enough to make the time, sometimes an individual excels at their job and deserves a pay raise or promotion, sometimes an individual isn't cut out for the job, some people have the talents to open a business and become millionaires, some of us don't, in fact, some fail, not everyone is equal in their talents and abilities. Some people are eloquent in their speech and written comments, some of us aren't, some have amazing physiques, some of us don't, the list goes on and on.... it's life. We should use those failures, those situations as motivators, to push harder, to fight, to improve, God uses them to mold us and make us better people. When we try to make everyone equal, when government tries to become the great equalizer, then society as a whole stops striving to become better, society as a whole suffers.

Well Said! The problem with people these days especially young people, is society has raised everyone to think they get a trophy. That relays over to why people think socialism is great. They have no clue! Nor common sense! Government should be in control of as little as possible and our government/DC has been working more like the mafia. People better get clarity and understand we have a President for the people and not bought and controlled like almost every other stinkin rat in politics. It's sad but 100% true that most of DC needs to go and will. Restore power to the people. The media is bought and blackmailed as well. Very dangerous and misguiding. God Bless America!

 

[Arcc]

So a quick question. You say is is draining the swamp. However Republicans lost their butts in 2018 and lost control of the house. For people who say he is draining the swamp does this mean yall think Republicans are what needs to be drained? Cause that's sure what happened.

The house is cyclical with history saying the Presidential party nearly always loses house seats mid-term.

 

[Wildboutsnow]

So a quick question. You say is is draining the swamp. However Republicans lost their butts in 2018 and lost control of the house. For people who say he is draining the swamp does this mean yall think Republicans are what needs to be drained? Cause that's sure what happened.

Yes! A good many republicans need to be drained. Don't forget about the voter fraud. The findings of all that has not even came out yet. But...The big pic is not about sides. It's ok repubs lost the house. The Senate was the key as you should have seen and will see. They will get the house back (some good ones). This whole draining the swamp movement and restoring America is a big process. The corrupt are going to be weeded out through death, prosecution, voluntary resigning etc. Forget about the news, forget about devision and forget about Trumps personality. This a great time to be alive to watch this all unfold. It's huge. America is the greatest country on earth and will stay that way now that a leader, and patriotic citizens are willing to work and not just talk! ))

 

[Wildboutsnow]

Its a very slippery slope, federal intrusion into the free market should be minimal IMO......



Yeah this is the bottom line, we have allowed to much interaction between politics and big business....factor in a extremely broken health care system, unlimited debt availability etc and you end up with the mess we are in now....the problem is there is no real way to fix it now, well other than let it all blow up and starting over basically.

Exactly why Trumps goal is to take down the Federal Reserve and go back to gold. Huge deal. Disgusting how and who has been running this country all these years. Everyday people need to pay more attention. We were doomed...WERE!

 

[Shaggy]

The house is cyclical with history saying the Presidential party nearly always loses house seats mid-term.

What about the nationwide results? A couple red state legislatures went blue tons of judgeships went toDemocrats. In NC if I remember correctly NC judge elections all went blue correct?

 

[Heelyes]

Yes! A good many republicans need to be drained. Don't forget about the voter fraud. The findings of all that has not even came out yet. But...The big pic is not about sides. It's ok repubs lost the house. The Senate was the key as you should have seen and will see. They will get the house back (some good ones). This whole draining the swamp movement and restoring America is a big process. The corrupt are going to be weeded out through death, prosecution, voluntary resigning etc. Forget about the news, forget about devision and forget about Trumps personality. This a great time to be alive to watch this all unfold. It's huge. America is the greatest country on earth and will stay that way now that a leader, and patriotic citizens are willing to work and not just talk! ))

Trump had both houses and we only got a tax cut for big business. The economy has been growing at about the same rate for the last 8years. It's all a mirage, the economy is on the verge of another recession and this time there is nothing that can be done to soften the blow. Manufacturing is down, GDP is down, the only thing keeping it going is consumer spending and that's almost all debt. The next big dip in the market will shock most consumers when their 401k disappears again and spending will stop. The bubble pops when this happens.

 

[Downeastnc]

Trump is fighting against anti constitutionalist, China loving communist. For those that don't like his policies, you are siding with politicians that support the "green new deal", more government regulations, anti-military and defense, more open borders, after birth abortions, "the kicking of your door down and taking your guns", new death tax (which will greatly reduce the private sector, and all the assets you plan on leaving your kids will belong to the government instead). I'm sorry but if you think he is a lying jackass I will take that over the Dems proposals and policies which will rob the private sector of jobs, revenue, oh, and self defense rights. Speaking of lying, he is a choir boy compared to Pelosi, Hillary. At least the new dems (the squad, and others) are telling the truth when they come out and say "yeah, we are going with the green new deal, taking your guns, after birth abortions, taxing you to death...no pun intended".

This is kind of ridiculous.....I don't want Trump I want a different Republican.......the reason is I feel Trump is destroying the GOP and giving the Dems a way to push the progressive side of their party to power without fear of the independents/middle of the road folks leaving them because they do not want Trump that bad.....and its working. When we have President Warren it will be because of Trump and his stupid actions and policies....This countries best hope is Biden wins the nomination.....or Trump has to resign and the GOP can run Pence or someone else....

 

[Heelyes]

Yes! A good many republicans need to be drained. Don't forget about the voter fraud. The findings of all that has not even came out yet. But...The big pic is not about sides. It's ok repubs lost the house. The Senate was the key as you should have seen and will see. They will get the house back (some good ones). This whole draining the swamp movement and restoring America is a big process. The corrupt are going to be weeded out through death, prosecution, voluntary resigning etc. Forget about the news, forget about devision and forget about Trumps personality. This a great time to be alive to watch this all unfold. It's huge. America is the greatest country on earth and will stay that way now that a leader, and patriotic citizens are willing to work and not just talk! ))

Voter fraud! That's a joke right? The only people that have been drained from the swamp are in Trump's cabinet.

 

[Arcc]

What about the nationwide results? A couple red state legislatures went blue tons of judgeships went toDemocrats. In NC if I remember correctly NC judge elections all went blue correct?

I don’t know about judges, but I’d imagine most of them had nothing to do with Trump. But as far as the house goes, everything I read kept talking about how it was likely the GOP lost the house due to history. But that said, the GOP gained senate positions and next year they will gain one back for sure when Jones gets the boot.

The Democrats that did win in Trump districts won by being as moderate as possible which is why two Democrats house members voted against the impeachment inquiry and several others stated that they need to see more facts. They clearly know their butt is on the line.

If you blame results for the midterms on Trump, you have to give him credit for the senate. The GOP almost unseated Manchin who is by far the most conservative Democrat in the senate.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/elections/results/west-virginia-senate.amp.html

 

[Arcc]

Trump had both houses and we only got a tax cut for big business. The economy has been growing at about the same rate for the last 8years. It's all a mirage, the economy is on the verge of another recession and this time there is nothing that can be done to soften the blow. Manufacturing is down, GDP is down, the only thing keeping it going is consumer spending and that's almost all debt. The next big dip in the market will shock most consumers when their 401k disappears again and spending will stop. The bubble pops when this happens.

How is only big business received tax cuts when I clearly benefited by the increased child tax credit?