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Bham 99 said:
Has anyone questioned their deep conviction on impeachment or no impeachment, as in asking yourself am I wrong? I sure have. We all should reflect.
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Personally I really don't care other than its just more hypocrisy. We have a corrupt President being impeached by corrupt Democrats while being defended by corrupt Republicans. More than likely he will be re-elected and the cycle will continue. Then when he leaves he will be replaced by more corruption.
 
Wildboutsnow said:
Exactly why Trumps goal is to take down the Federal Reserve and go back to gold. Huge deal. Disgusting how and who has been running this country all these years. Everyday people need to pay more attention. We were doomed...WERE!
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Gold standard??? Well, he (thankfully) isn't going to be able to make that happen.
 
Even Dave Ramsey says investing in gold is dumb. Amazing there are actual humans with primate brains out there that think Trump is some sort of financial genius.
 
Rain Cold said:
Nah, you got it right. Gold would probably need to be up at $10k/oz. Reengineering the monetary system would be quite complicated. There are a variety of schools of thought about how this could best be accomplished. One way, is to back currency with hard assets, gold being the most logical asset. Of course, that would mean the current paradigm we've been accustomed to forever of deficit spending and borrowing to oblivion would cease to exist. You could also go the domestic currency and offshore currency route. That would most likely lead to decreased purchasing power on the domestic front, though, as the domestic currency would end up devalued over time.

Either way, the gold price is eventually going much higher. It's been in a sneaky uptrend since 2015. And it's because there's no way to turn off the monetary spigot now. It's a race to the bottom for world currencies. The US just has a little more time than everyone else. But gold will benefit.
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How much gold should I buy?

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metwannabe said:
Interesting article about the WB

https://www.realclearinvestigations...biden_brennan_dnc_oppo_researcher_120996.html
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At the end of the day even if this is the whistle blower it does not matter what his politics are......his statement has been corroborated numerous times by numerous individuals in the White House, heck Trump even released the part of the call where he ask for the investigation....so if nothing he reported is untrue frankly that is all that matters......even if his reasoning for coming forward is politically motivated how does that change the facts of what Trump did.
 
Downeastnc said:
At the end of the day even if this is the whistle blower it does not matter what his politics are......his statement has been corroborated numerous times by numerous individuals in the White House, heck Trump even released the part of the call where he ask for the investigation....so if nothing he reported is untrue frankly that is all that matters......even if his reasoning for coming forward is politically motivated how does that change the facts of what Trump did.
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Trump asked for an investigation into corruption, nothing illegal about that and we've discussed that. Now we can debate motive, personally I think the guy (as I've stated before) let's his emotions get to him, like a 12 yr old sometimes, and he can't let things go. With that said he is still furious over the fake dossier and DNC corruption that tried to sink his election before he was ever elected back in 2016. I'm sure he resents Biden/Obama/Clinton's for the 2016 issues and I think he was hoping this investigation by Ukraine (because the DNC corruption issues went through Ukraine's own corrupt political highways at that time) would also dig up items on the Clinton's and shed light on the DNC corruption (and it still might, or would if the current Dem crowd didn't bamboozle it with a trumped up impeachment allegation). The left talking points are this, that his actions are directly linked to the 2020 elections, if his actions and his intent were proven to be entirely based on tampering with the 2020 elections then let's escort him out the door. I just don't think that's what his intent was, he's mad and he wants the corruption investigated. You've stated before if he was looking into corruption than why isn't he investigating others not just Biden, well if his intent is to tamper with the 2020 elections than why is he just investigating Biden and not Sanders, Warren, Harris, Booker, etc? Argument goes both ways.

If any other president was in office other than Trump and they were investigating corruption of Gov't officials you and many others would be applauding it.

As to the WB and his political bias, yeah it matters because it shows a heavily left biased process from day one and regardless of what other facts may come out, it taints that process, taints those statements, facts, going forward at least in the minds of the general public. Fruit of the poison tree if you will. Most don't trust the process anyway and add the fact that the guy who initiated the whole allegation was after Trump from day one and involved in 2016 tactics to oust Trump then, well will not sit well with many. No wonder the Dems have been trying to conceal this guy and protect him to no end.
 
metwannabe said:
Trump asked for an investigation into corruption, nothing illegal about that and we've discussed that. Now we can debate motive, personally I think the guy (as I've stated before) let's his emotions get to him, like a 12 yr old sometimes, and he can't let things go. With that said he is still furious over the fake dossier and DNC corruption that tried to sink his election before he was ever elected back in 2016. I'm sure he resents Biden/Obama/Clinton's for the 2016 issues and I think he was hoping this investigation by Ukraine (because the DNC corruption issues went through Ukraine's own corrupt political highways at that time) would also dig up items on the Clinton's and shed light on the DNC corruption (and it still might, or would if the current Dem crowd didn't bamboozle it with a trumped up impeachment allegation). The left talking points are this, that his actions are directly linked to the 2020 elections, if his actions and his intent were proven to be entirely based on tampering with the 2020 elections then let's escort him out the door. I just don't think that's what his intent was, he's mad and he wants the corruption investigated. You've stated before if he was looking into corruption than why isn't he investigating others not just Biden, well if his intent is to tamper with the 2020 elections than why is he just investigating Biden and not Sanders, Warren, Harris, Booker, etc? Argument goes both ways.

If any other president was in office other than Trump and they were investigating corruption of Gov't officials you and many others would be applauding it.

As to the WB and his political bias, yeah it matters because it shows a heavily left biased process from day one and regardless of what other facts may come out, it taints that process, taints those statements, facts, going forward at least in the minds of the general public. Fruit of the poison tree if you will. Most don't trust the process anyway and add the fact that the guy who initiated the whole allegation was after Trump from day one and involved in 2016 tactics to oust Trump then, well will not sit well with many. No wonder the Dems have been trying to conceal this guy and protect him to no end.
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It is illegal for Trump to ask someone to do something that personally benefits him while in the capacity of president if the USA, so at best this is a extremely gray area, saying he is in his right to specifically ask a country to investigate a political rival is probably wrong......in fact it probably is illegal the head of the FEC pretty much said so......secondly impeachment in not a criminal process no actual crime has to occur.....if the Senate decides it was unethical and against his oath of office to ask then he can be removed....this is all without considering the quid pro quo aspect.

Trump can not under any circumstances withhold approved aid and limit access to the US government in return for personal favors.......him asking Ukraine to investigate Biden is not legal no matter how the WH or the GOP wants to spin it....if it was legal and the up and up why are folks like Bolton, Dr Hill, Vindman etc going to lawyers and reporting it.

Lastly we will agree to disagree on the politics of the WB.......if Trump did something unethical and illegal that is 100% on Trump, it would not matter who caught or reported him....if Trump does not do illegal and unethical stuff then even oif the guy was "after him from day 1" they would never have something to "report" if this guy was after him Trump made it easy for him.......still does not change that Trump owns what Trump did....the buck stops here remember.
 
Downeastnc said:
It is illegal for Trump to ask someone to do something that personally benefits him while in the capacity of president if the USA, so at best this is a extremely gray area, saying he is in his right to specifically ask a country to investigate a political rival is probably wrong......in fact it probably is illegal the head of the FEC pretty much said so......secondly impeachment in not a criminal process no actual crime has to occur.....if the Senate decides it was unethical and against his oath of office to ask then he can be removed....this is all without considering the quid pro quo aspect.

Trump can not under any circumstances withhold approved aid and limit access to the US government in return for personal favors.......him asking Ukraine to investigate Biden is not legal no matter how the WH or the GOP wants to spin it....if it was legal and the up and up why are folks like Bolton, Dr Hill, Vindman etc going to lawyers and reporting it.

Lastly we will agree to disagree on the politics of the WB.......if Trump did something unethical and illegal that is 100% on Trump, it would not matter who caught or reported him....if Trump does not do illegal and unethical stuff then even oif the guy was "after him from day 1" they would never have something to "report" if this guy was after him Trump made it easy for him.......still does not change that Trump owns what Trump did....the buck stops here remember.
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So being a political rival gives you immunity from being investigated when you commit illegal or corrupt unethical activities, when you were a government official, in foreign countries? I think you've found the loophole of all loopholes...

But I'll end with this. If Trump was wrong so was Biden and to @snowlover91 points earlier, if one is wrong then both are wrong... go ahead lock up Trump up but Biden better be in the cell beside him.
 
metwannabe said:
So being a political rival gives you immunity from being investigated when you commit illegal or corrupt unethical activities, when you were a government official, in foreign countries? I think you've found the loophole of all loopholes...

But I'll end with this. If Trump was wrong so was Biden and to @snowlover91 points earlier, if one is wrong then both are wrong... go ahead lock up Trump up but Biden better be in the cell beside him.
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If you can prove Biden did something illegal lock him up I am 100% in agreement , same goes for anyone else in DC I do not care what letter is beside their name. The Ukrainians never had a reason to investigate Biden Sr as there is no evidence he did anything illegal....what is it that Biden Sr is suppose to have done that warrants investigation......I am still confused by this.

I don't however agree that if one gets away with it they all should, it comes down to proof, the GOP could not prove that Hillary or Obama did anything illegal or unethical to the point they could impeach them, trust me they tried. Now the shoe is on the other foot and Trump is clumping along happily feeding the Dems all the rope they need to hang him with.....again this is 100% on Trump.
 
Downeastnc said:
How so....
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Republicans in the NC Senate keep cancelling the budget vote because the Democrats are in attendance. There is a senator quoted on the floor as saying something like (paraphrasing) "we'll call the vote at the right time, when you all will miss it."
 
crecre9 said:
Republicans in the NC Senate keep cancelling the budget vote because the Democrats are in attendance. There is a senator quoted on the floor as saying something like (paraphrasing) "we'll call the vote at the right time, when you all will miss it."
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Yeah trying to override the veto....its a scummy move but that's how the game is played on both sides of the aisle now...
 
GaWx said:
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There will be much more about this coming out, a lot of people are not really up to speed on the Rudy/Parnas/Fruman/Firtash angle working here either....these Ukrainians were part of the corrupt government back when the Ukraine president was a Russian puppet, same guy Manafort worked with and was buddy buddy with.....when he was forced out they all fled to avoid corruption charges etc....Parnas/Fruman have a company named Fraud Guarantee ( no really that's the name ) and that company was used to funnel hundreds to thousands of dollars from people like Firtash to Republican's.....including Trump. There is so much more here than just Trump asking the Ukrainians to dig up dirt on Biden.....this is about a months long maybe years long effort by Trump and Rudy to influence and undermine the US foreign policy efforts in the Ukraine to personally benefit themselves this article touches on that, I cant watch the video at work but I imagine it will match some of this article...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...d-giuliani-pals-gas-deals-biden-dirt-n1067516
 
Downeastnc said:
There will be much more about this coming out, a lot of people are not really up to speed on the Rudy/Parnas/Fruman/Firtash angle working here either....these Ukrainians were part of the corrupt government back when the Ukraine president was a Russian puppet, same guy Manafort worked with and was buddy buddy with.....when he was forced out they all fled to avoid corruption charges etc....Parnas/Fruman have a company named Fraud Guarantee ( no really that's the name ) and that company was used to funnel hundreds to thousands of dollars from people like Firtash to Republican's.....including Trump. There is so much more here than just Trump asking the Ukrainians to dig up dirt on Biden.....this is about a months long maybe years long effort by Trump and Rudy to influence and undermine the US foreign policy efforts in the Ukraine to personally benefit themselves this article touches on that, I cant watch the video at work but I imagine it will match some of this article...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...d-giuliani-pals-gas-deals-biden-dirt-n1067516
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If this proven true it's as bad or worse than Watergate.
 
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