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Lots of bombs in the air...

But seriously, I give Trump credit for taking the gloves off after the attack on our embassy. But as I said earlier, the problem with this approach is it’s impossible how to know when it will end. Iran will inevitably respond, which will put the ball back in our court.

Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail before it’s too late.
 
Poimen said:
Lots of bombs in the air...

But seriously, I give Trump credit for taking the gloves off after the attack on our embassy. But as I said earlier, the problem with this approach is it’s impossible how to know when it will end. Iran will inevitably respond, which will put the ball back in our court.

Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail before it’s too late.
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Terrorist will attack American's wherever and whenever they have the opportunity. Iran is responsible for deaths of innocent people throughout the middle east including their own citizens. They wont stop next month, next year or 100 years from now. Terrorist dont value human life......
 
Poimen said:
Lots of bombs in the air...

But seriously, I give Trump credit for taking the gloves off after the attack on our embassy. But as I said earlier, the problem with this approach is it’s impossible how to know when it will end. Iran will inevitably respond, which will put the ball back in our court.

Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail before it’s too late.
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TBH I doubt Iran does more than saber rattle on the big stage. They will probably cause a small scale terrorist attack behind the scene and pitch a fit when they are accused, but they aren't stupid. They know they cannot fight a war against the US and also know that SA and UAE would love to jump in and secure their share of the oil market.
 
Arcc said:
TBH I doubt Iran does more than saber rattle on the big stage. They will probably cause a small scale terrorist attack behind the scene and pitch a fit when they are accused, but they aren't stupid. They know they cannot fight a war against the US and also know that SA and UAE would love to jump in and secure their share of the oil market.
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They won’t awaken a sleeping giant. Japan learned that lesson. My concern is there cyberspace capabilities. Dept of defense, electrical grid. etc... Like you said, they cannot match our military by a country mile.

IF... we really HAD to hurt Iran we’d simply surgically strike the three or so oil refineries they utilize. Thus, Bring the economy to a screeching halt.

I don’t want it to come to that because it would hurt the Iranian people. Most don’t necessarily support the mullah’s in charge.
 
Poimen said:
Lots of bombs in the air...

But seriously, I give Trump credit for taking the gloves off after the attack on our embassy. But as I said earlier, the problem with this approach is it’s impossible how to know when it will end. Iran will inevitably respond, which will put the ball back in our court.

Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail before it’s too late.
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Let's all take a step back in time to when the Iranians took over the US embassy in the late 1970's. We remember what happened next..... hostages were held for over a year before we got them back home. We learned a lesson from that!
 
EV_WS said:
They won’t awaken a sleeping giant. Japan learned that lesson. My concern is there cyberspace capabilities. Dept of defense, electrical grid. etc... Like you said, they cannot match our military by a country mile.

IF... we really HAD to hurt Iran we’d simply surgically strike the three or so oil refineries they utilize. Thus, Bring the economy to a screeching halt.

I don’t want it to come to that because it would hurt the Iranian people. Most don’t necessarily support the mullah’s in charge.
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They can return the favor, it would be ridiculously easy for them to close the Strait of Hormuz removing 25% of the worlds oil literally overnight....no company is going to send tankers worth hundreds of millions to get blown up.....the Iranians have thousands of surface to surface anti ship missiles, and the ability to quickly place hundreds of naval mines....

They probably wont go that far though as to do so means it forces the US to commit to opening it back up and then its air strikes and cruise missiles by the hundreds for Iran.
 
Sandbar said:
The previous poster referenced compared our military goals to that of the terrorist we killed yesterday. That is a spit in my face and to anybody that fought or is currently fighting over there.
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There is nothing anyone can do for you if you're not open to hearing why other people across the globe question our foreign policy and intentions. It's clear that you take every point of dissent as a personal attack. Given your occupation, it is understandable. However, there are many who share similar skepticism. Proof below with link to reddit post and article. By all means please don't respond to this post if it upsets you - as I stated before I seriously have no ill will towards you. I'm just posting for others here to see our recklessness is not being unnoticed.

 
EV_WS said:
They won’t awaken a sleeping giant. Japan learned that lesson. My concern is there cyberspace capabilities. Dept of defense, electrical grid. etc... Like you said, they cannot match our military by a country mile.

IF... we really HAD to hurt Iran we’d simply surgically strike the three or so oil refineries they utilize. Thus, Bring the economy to a screeching halt.

I don’t want it to come to that because it would hurt the Iranian people. Most don’t necessarily support the mullah’s in charge.
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We have the biggest best equipped army out there. Dont get complacent about who can hurt us. They're completely capable of sinking a couple of our ships, shutting the strait down or fire rockets or airstrikes against our troops.

Sooner or later its gonna be us that awakens a sleeping giant.
 
whatitdo said:
There is nothing anyone can do for you if you're not open to hearing why other people across the globe question our foreign policy and intentions. It's clear that you take every point of dissent as a personal attack. Given your occupation, it is understandable. However, there are many who share similar skepticism. Proof below with link to reddit post and article. By all means please don't respond to this post if it upsets you - as I stated before I seriously have no ill will towards you. I'm just posting for others here to see our recklessness is not being unnoticed.

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You have an opinion on fighting terrorism that doesn't match with mine. Im a career soldier not a keyboard warrior. My only concern is that the next battle we commit to, we stay and finish it. Its unfortunate but we have far to many Americans (and allied citizens) that dont have the stomach for it. If they "really" supported our efforts, Iraq would have been a much different story
 
Iran will target citizens first because terrorist are cowards. That could be in Iraq, Lebanon, anywhere they have proxies. Citizens are obviously the most difficult to protect. This is 99% going to happen in the near future. The more difficult task, but one they will target is a high ranking official. Could be military or government. This is tradecraft by the book for Iran
 
Well this is certainly big news...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...te-impeachment-trial-if-subpoenaed/ar-BBYFGu3

Bolton, who left the White House in September, said that he has weighed the issues of executive privilege and that after “careful consideration and study” decided that he would comply with a Senate subpoena.

“I have concluded that, if the Senate issues a subpoena for my testimony, I am prepared to testify," he said in a statement
 
Downeastnc said:
Well this is certainly big news...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...te-impeachment-trial-if-subpoenaed/ar-BBYFGu3

Bolton, who left the White House in September, said that he has weighed the issues of executive privilege and that after “careful consideration and study” decided that he would comply with a Senate subpoena.

“I have concluded that, if the Senate issues a subpoena for my testimony, I am prepared to testify," he said in a statement
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That tells me one of two things:

1: He has been assured by senate GOP they won’t call him to testify.

or

2: The Democrats had better stay far away from asking him to testify.
 
Arcc said:
That tells me one of two things:

1: He has been assured by senate GOP they won’t call him to testify.

or

2: The Democrats had better stay far away from asking him to testify.
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Exactly what I was thinking.
 
Arcc said:
That tells me one of two things:

1: He has been assured by senate GOP they won’t call him to testify.

or

2: The Democrats had better stay far away from asking him to testify.
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I dunno Bolton did not inform Trump he was releasing this statement, the thing is this, IF these guys were going to be able to go on the stand and exonerate Trump then it would have already happened....McConnell would subpoena them himself if that was what they knew would happen.....the fact they don't do that tells you all you need to know about what they would say and how bad it would be for Trump.
 
Downeastnc said:
I dunno Bolton did not inform Trump he was releasing this statement, the thing is this, IF these guys were going to be able to go on the stand and exonerate Trump then it would have already happened....McConnell would subpoena them himself if that was what they knew would happen.....the fact they don't do that tells you all you need to know about what they would say and how bad it would be for Trump.
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It’s not about Trump, but likely brokering a deal with fellow republicans. If he wanted to really take down Trump he would have did so in congress when Democrats could have asked him anything. McConnell knows he doesn’t have to exonerate Trump, just win public opinion. I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t just trying to lure Nancy to send the articles. Nancy wants people to testify and the GOP could be really about to set her up.
 
Arcc said:
It’s not about Trump, but likely brokering a deal with fellow republicans. If he wanted to really take down Trump he would have did so in congress when Democrats could have asked him anything. McConnell knows he doesn’t have to exonerate Trump, just win public opinion. I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t just trying to lure Nancy to send the articles. Nancy wants people to testify and the GOP could be really about to set her up.
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I suppose it is possible this is all some grand play to set up the Dems, but I think that gives the current admin wayyyyyy to much credit. Nancy is not going to send the articles until she has in writing that they can call witnesses....if McConnell really thought he could pass a rule preventing witnesses he would have introduced it already he has 52 GOP members and needs 51 of them to vote his way and right now he does not have them, at least 3-4 GOP senators will probably vote against that, maybe more in light of the fact Bolton is willing to not fight a subpoena....
 
Downeastnc said:
I suppose it is possible this is all some grand play to set up the Dems, but I think that gives the current admin wayyyyyy to much credit. Nancy is not going to send the articles until she has in writing that they can call witnesses....if McConnell really thought he could pass a rule preventing witnesses he would have introduced it already he has 52 GOP members and needs 51 of them to vote his way and right now he does not have them, at least 3-4 GOP senators will probably vote against that, maybe more in light of the fact Bolton is willing to not fight a subpoena....
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There is no reason to rush Nancy. Trump isn't impeached until she releases it to the Senate. I know the strategy for the Dems is to stretch it out as long as possible. The Senate majority leader has as much to say about process as the speaker of the House. He never has to cave to Nancy. He may do the same thing that the house did. He may only allow the witnesses he wants to testify just as Schiff and Nadler did in the House. Both insuring the results they want....all this has just been politics, there has never been ANY threat of Trump being removed from office.
 
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WEATHERBOYROY said:
There is no reason to rush Nancy. Trump isn't impeached until she releases it to the Senate. I know the strategy for the Dems is to stretch it out as long as possible. The Senate majority leader has as much to say about process as the speaker of the House. He never has to cave to Nancy. He may do the same thing that the house did. He may only allow the witnesses he wants to testify just as Schiff and Nadler did in the House. Both insuring the results they want....all this has just been politics, there has never been ANY threat of Trump being removed from office.
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Yes.....Any witnesses will be on Mitch's terms. Like he said, they already had their turn to grandstand in the House. She can wait as long as she wants. Economy is soaring as is approval numbers with his base
 
WEATHERBOYROY said:
There is no reason to rush Nancy. Trump isn't impeached until she releases it to the Senate. I know the strategy for the Dems is to stretch it out as long as possible. The Senate majority leader has as much to say about process as the speaker of the House. He never has to cave to Nancy. He may do the same thing that the house did. He may only allow the witnesses he wants to testify just as Schiff and Nadler did in the House. Both insuring the results they want....all this has just been politics, there has never been ANY threat of Trump being removed from office.
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This is incorrect Trump is and always shall be impeached....Senate cant do anything without a vote and McConnell needs 51 to pass anything....this is why he has not done anything yet, he does not have the votes....those 3-4 GOP senators in the middle are controlling the process right now. I agree Trump probably wont get removed, the chances he does however goes up if they get someone like Bolton to say Trump is guilty of everything he is accused of and public opinion sways 60% for impeach.
 
Downeastnc said:
This is incorrect Trump is and always shall be impeached....Senate cant do anything without a vote and McConnell needs 51 to pass anything....this is why he has not done anything yet, he does not have the votes....those 3-4 GOP senators in the middle are controlling the process right now. I agree Trump probably wont get removed, the chances he does however goes up if they get someone like Bolton to say Trump is guilty of everything he is accused of and public opinion sways 60% for impeach.
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Noah Feldman, a key Democrat witness and a Harvard law school professor, wrote an opinion piece about why Trump is technically not impeached. Here’s an excerpt below.

“If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all.

That’s because “impeachment” under the Constitution means the House sending its approved articles of to the Senate, with House managers standing up in the Senate and saying the president is impeached.

As for the headlines we saw after the House vote saying, “TRUMP IMPEACHED,” those are a media shorthand, not a technically correct legal statement. So far, the House has voted to impeach (future tense) Trump. He isn’t impeached (past tense) until the articles go to the Senate and the House members deliver the message.

If the House votes to “impeach” but doesn’t send the articles to the Senate or send impeachment managers there to carry its message, it hasn’t directly violated the text of the Constitution. But the House would be acting against the implicit logic of the Constitution’s description of impeachment. A president who has been genuinely impeached must constitutionally have the opportunity to defend himself before the Senate.

If the House votes to “impeach” but doesn’t send the articles to the Senate or send impeachment managers there to carry its message, it hasn’t directly violated the text of the Constitution. But the House would be acting against the implicit logic of the Constitution’s description of impeachment. A president who has been genuinely impeached must constitutionally have the opportunity to defend himself before the Senate.”
 
Heelyes said:
30,000 homeless veterans in this great economy is hard to grasp. I know it's Obama's fault but how do we fix it?
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lol! you're not serious? I wasn't that far from being homeless myself under obama's destructive socialist agenda. I know homelessness is at a much lower rate now than it was at any time under obama, when we had the lowest employment rate since the 1970's, ( at which time, most moms didn't work, because you could survive with 1 income.) Many of the homeless Vets are homeless , not because of the economy, but because of mental conditions they developed fighting for our freedom and safety!
 
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lol! you're not serious? I wasn't that far from being homeless myself under obama's destructive socialist agenda. I know homelessness is at a much lower rate now than it was at any time under obama, when we had the lowest employment rate since the 1970's, ( at which time, most moms didn't work, because you could survive with 1 income.) Many of the homeless Vets are homeless , not because of the economy, but because of mental conditions they developed fighting for our freedom and safety!
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Correct. The struggle for many vets is the mental barrier not job opportunities. I had to have a mental evaluation to get government contract work when I retired from active duty. There is an unfortunate stigma that often comes with vets returning from war
 
snowlover91 said:
Noah Feldman, a key Democrat witness and a Harvard law school professor, wrote an opinion piece about why Trump is technically not impeached. Here’s an excerpt below.

“If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all.

That’s because “impeachment” under the Constitution means the House sending its approved articles of to the Senate, with House managers standing up in the Senate and saying the president is impeached.

As for the headlines we saw after the House vote saying, “TRUMP IMPEACHED,” those are a media shorthand, not a technically correct legal statement. So far, the House has voted to impeach (future tense) Trump. He isn’t impeached (past tense) until the articles go to the Senate and the House members deliver the message.

If the House votes to “impeach” but doesn’t send the articles to the Senate or send impeachment managers there to carry its message, it hasn’t directly violated the text of the Constitution. But the House would be acting against the implicit logic of the Constitution’s description of impeachment. A president who has been genuinely impeached must constitutionally have the opportunity to defend himself before the Senate.

If the House votes to “impeach” but doesn’t send the articles to the Senate or send impeachment managers there to carry its message, it hasn’t directly violated the text of the Constitution. But the House would be acting against the implicit logic of the Constitution’s description of impeachment. A president who has been genuinely impeached must constitutionally have the opportunity to defend himself before the Senate.”
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Perception is key, and well the House voted on and passed articles of impeachment, they have sole power over that part of the process and they impeached Trump....I guess we can argue about this but at the end of the day Trump is and forever shall be one of 3 US presidents that had articles of impeachment passed against them and nothing will change that. The House will send the articles over eventually probably by the end of this month.
 
Heelyes said:
Bush sent them to war and ruined the economy, not Obama. Trump is in charge now so if he doesn't help them it's on him.
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We volunteered to protect the country from foreign threats and the large majority of us had zero problems with why we were there. Trump is indeed in charge now and veterans are doing great as a whole. Anybody that tells you different is an anomaly
 
Sandbar said:
We volunteered to protect the country from foreign threats and the large majority of us had zero problems with why we were there. Trump is indeed in charge now and veterans are doing great as a whole. Anybody that tells you different is an anomaly
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Over 30,000 anomalies? They deserve better
 
Heelyes said:
Bush sent them to war and ruined the economy, not Obama. Trump is in charge now so if he doesn't help them it's on him.
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:p YOU WERE BEING FACETIOUS:p I take back my apology! It's not the president or any branch of the government that can make the most difference, it's you and I . If you see the need, get to work with your own hands and ask God to give you the means to make a change. I can do more to help my fellow man than I am , how about you?
 
WEATHERBOYROY said:
:p YOU WERE BEING FACETIOUS:p I take back my apology! It's not the president or any branch of the government that can make the most difference, it's you and I . If you see the need, get to work with your own hands and ask God to give you the means to make a change. I can do more to help my fellow man than I am , how about you?
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I feed the homeless all the time and I do more than the billionaire draft dodging president to honor vets. His answer is to make more veterans to turn our back on.
 
Heelyes said:
Over 30,000 anomalies? They deserve better
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We always deserve better so Im not exactly sure what your point is. Bush sent us to war. We were fine with that. Obama kept us over there. We were fine with that (sans some really stupid changes), Trump has done an excellent job managing the war on terror. Im sure it pisses you off to hear that but that's just the way it is........
 
Sandbar said:
We always deserve better so Im not exactly sure what your point is. Bush sent us to war. We were fine with that. Obama kept us over there. We were fine with that (sans some really stupid changes), Trump has done an excellent job managing the war on terror. Im sure it pisses you off to hear that but that's just the way it is........
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It pisses me off that a majority of our homeless are veterans or mentally ill. I don't care what Trump does in the never ending war on terror. This war was always a fraud and always will be.
 
The huge red pill is going to be so hard to swallow for some on here. Wasting time repeating what MSM, professors, Hollywood and radicals spew and continually repeating democrat talking points is doing nothing but wasting time. It's not helping veterans, the homeless, people wating for cancer treatments to be released, the mentally ill or anybody! While the dems keep coming up with anything they can throw at the wall to see if they can turn people away from truths coming, Trump is 5 steps ahead of them. It's amazing to watch. Trump will never be removed from office and is not impeached except in Nancy's delusional mind. He and his team are three steps ahead of these crooked swamp people. Anything they accuse him of multiply by 10. Panic in DC, they have no choice but to try to remove him. It's too late though. The truth and exposure of the corrupt deep state is coming. They knew it all and know it all...The truth and exposure of all the pedophilia, crimes against humanity, Hollywood nasty secrets, DC players in bed with foreign countries, pay to play and the whole Obama, Brennan, Clapper and gangs' spying on Trump (also millions other Americans) is all coming to light. I'm still shocked that Ricky Gervais slammed it at Golden Globe awards. Find a clip and listen 10 times...If anybody think he was just joking, think again. We will all be appalled and sickened by the truths. So much to digest. God Bless America
 
Downeastnc said:
Perception is key, and well the House voted on and passed articles of impeachment, they have sole power over that part of the process and they impeached Trump....I guess we can argue about this but at the end of the day Trump is and forever shall be one of 3 US presidents that had articles of impeachment passed against them and nothing will change that. The House will send the articles over eventually probably by the end of this month.
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I’m just pointing out that from a technical and legal standpoint Trump isn’t actually considered impeached until Nancy gives it to the Senate. It doesn’t really matter either way but it’s interesting to note from a constitutional standpoint.

If you want a good laugh the 13 min audio clip in this article is awesome. Some Russian guys that run a YouTube channel prank called Maxine Waters, pretending to be Greta Thunberg and her father. They made up a fake island and conference and pretended to have dirt on Donald Trump. It’s hilarious and worth the listen.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/01/russians-prank-maxine-waters-with-greta-thunberg-confession/
 
Heelyes said:
It pisses me off that a majority of our homeless are veterans or mentally ill. I don't care what Trump does in the never ending war on terror. This war was always a fraud and always will be.
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I'm gonna let you on a little secret and don't really care if you disagree or not. Many of us that fought in it call it the 300 year war. Why? Because no matter how, when or why it started, it was going to happen at some point and it is going to be prolonged for a very long time in some form or fashion. We certainly made some mistakes learning how to fight it, especially in Iraq but lessons leaned aside, we have done a good job in the war on terror. We (The military) can fight it over there or YOU the civilian can fight it over here. Your choice......
 
I wasn't even attacking Trump, just making a obvious statement. If he has the power to do things like he did this week he has the power to help homeless vets. He just doesn't want to. It costs too much money
 
snowlover91 said:
I’m just pointing out that from a technical and legal standpoint Trump isn’t actually considered impeached until Nancy gives it to the Senate. It doesn’t really matter either way but it’s interesting to note from a constitutional standpoint.

If you want a good laugh the 13 min audio clip in this article is awesome. Some Russian guys that run a YouTube channel prank called Maxine Waters, pretending to be Greta Thunberg and her father. They made up a fake island and conference and pretended to have dirt on Donald Trump. It’s hilarious and worth the listen.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/01/russians-prank-maxine-waters-with-greta-thunberg-confession/
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Snow lover that was awesome!
 
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