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Shaggy said:
Tell me. How does the stock market effect you personally? I cant check out for another 20 years or so. What my stick market is today means NOTHING to my future well being. It means nothing. Unless you are retiring right now the stock market is just a fuzzy little feather they use to shake in front of cats to get them to think they are catching a bird when all they have is fuzzy feather.
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Im not stock man, but that doesn’t make sense. If your retirement is in stocks and stocks are doing great then you are gaining money now that will just be more money to gain interest on later.
 
Arcc said:
Im not stock man, but that doesn’t make sense. If your retirement is in stocks and stocks are doing great then you are gaining money now that will just be more money to gain interest on later.
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Unless it crashes. What the stock market is today is not what it will be in 20 years. It could lose 85% of it's current status or gain that much.
 
Rosie said:
Doing great before him.
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It wasnt bad. It was "supposed" to crash though when Trump got elected. Seems the pundits got that one wrong! Its kind of like driving a mustang then hopping into a McLaren. The mustang is decently fast but the McLaren is just wicked!
 
GaWx said:
Then why not take the nice gains now and then move it to bonds or cash? Nobody says you have to keep it in stocks for 20 years, right?
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I took out a 401k loan 2 years ago and will be paying taxes on that this year. I could move it but pay a hefty penalty. I'm sitting with around 110k in it right now and cant move but so much.....i wanna say 25k is the most I can touch. To be honest I've never looked at it too deeply.
 
Sandbar said:
It wasnt bad. It was "supposed" to crash though when Trump got elected. Seems the pundits got that one wrong! Its kind of like driving a mustang then hopping into a McLaren. The mustang is decently fast but the McLaren is just wicked!
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I don't know if you know this. The futures during the night just after the election (11/8/16) started well when it looked like Hillary was going to win. But when it changed to a major Trump "upset" vs expectations, futures plunged 1,000. Then the next day the market actually opened well above where the futures had plunged to just a little earlier. And then it finished up over 200:


"Nov. 8: Donald Trump wins U.S. presidential election. Dow drops nearly 1,000 points in after-hours futures trading.

Nov. 9: 'Trump Rally' begins with 257-point advance."

From this: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/12/31/dows-2016-highlights/95909234/
 
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GaWx said:
I don't know if you know this. The futures during the night just after the election (11/8/16) started well when it looked like Hillary was going to win. But when it changed to a major Trump "upset" vs expectations, futures plunged 1,000. Then the next day the market actually opened well above where the futures had plunged to just a little earlier. And then it finished up over 200:


"Nov. 8: Donald Trump wins U.S. presidential election. Dow drops nearly 1,000 points in after-hours futures trading.

Nov. 9: 'Trump Rally' begins with 257-point advance."

From this: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/12/31/dows-2016-highlights/95909234/
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I was referring to what liberal pundits predicted would be a regression of the market under a Trump presidency. The entire country was supposed to fall apart but as "most" of us can attest to, that simply hasn't been the case
 
Sandbar said:
I was referring to what liberal pundits predicted would be a regression of the market under a Trump presidency. The entire country was supposed to fall apart but as "most" of us can attest to, that simply hasn't been the case
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I personally don't see why anyone would think we would unless we ended up with Hillary. The overspending and socialistic spending policies would've increased and blown the economy. On the other hand, if we keep Trump, the odds of the economy declining in his term go up massively. One is timing, and the other is an economic overheat. You can only grow so much before you decline again. That's just the business/economic cycle, and we're around the peak at the moment. Whether we're on the left or right side of it has yet to be seen.
 
ForsythSnow said:
I personally don't see why anyone would think we would unless we ended up with Hillary. The overspending and socialistic spending policies would've increased and blown the economy. On the other hand, if we keep Trump, the odds of the economy declining in his term go up massively. One is timing, and the other is an economic overheat. You can only grow so much before you decline again. That's just the business/economic cycle, and we're around the peak at the moment. Whether we're on the left or right side of it has yet to be seen.
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At some point there will absolutely be a correction. History tells us that. If it does happen under Trump's watch he will be blamed at a level never before seen (probably deserved as he is obviously a confident man) but I would rather have him there to correct the negative correction than anybody in the current presidential circles. There was so much negativity during Obama's 8 years people were actually accepting his mediocrity as if it was as good as we could be going forward
 
ForsythSnow said:
I personally don't see why anyone would think we would unless we ended up with Hillary. The overspending and socialistic spending policies would've increased and blown the economy. On the other hand, if we keep Trump, the odds of the economy declining in his term go up massively. One is timing, and the other is an economic overheat. You can only grow so much before you decline again. That's just the business/economic cycle, and we're around the peak at the moment. Whether we're on the left or right side of it has yet to be seen.
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I agree somewhat on what you are saying but explain what l bolded. Thanks
 
sigwx said:
I agree somewhat on what you are saying but explain what l bolded. Thanks
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Basically, when an economy grows over a portion of several years, the money in the economy will start to run out. Entities only have so much they can funnel into something before the return diminishes. There can only be so many houses built, so many products produced and sold, etc before the cost rises and profits diminish. That's as far as I can explain it since I'm not an economist. In short, it's a lot like an engine, run it too long at full speed and it'll stop working.
 
Shaggy said:
Tell me. How does the stock market effect you personally? I cant check out for another 20 years or so. What my stick market is today means NOTHING to my future well being. It means nothing. Unless you are retiring right now the stock market is just a fuzzy little feather they use to shake in front of cats to get them to think they are catching a bird when all they have is fuzzy feather.
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I’d rather have a strong stock market, often a sign of a solid economy (though not always) than one that is doing poorly. There is more to the stock market than 401k/retirement plans. Many people have everyday stock trading accounts that are NOT retirement related and they can buy/sell and make great profit during a strong economy. I have retirement and a personal trading account, both of which are doing well and the personal trading account benefits me now since I can sell and use the money whenever I want.
 
ForsythSnow said:
Basically, when an economy grows over a portion of several years, the money in the economy will start to run out. Entities only have so much they can funnel into something before the return diminishes. There can only be so many houses built, so many products produced and sold, etc before the cost rises and profits diminish. That's as far as I can explain it since I'm not an economist. In short, it's a lot like an engine, run it too long at full speed and it'll stop working.
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Yeah l see what you are saying, but good business still grow and the money is still there right, it should not run out?
 
sigwx said:
Yeah l see what you are saying, but good business still grow and the money is still there right, it should not run out?
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If businesses plan and adjust accordingly, they'll be fine. There are a lot that have made it through recessions. There just will be less money in the economy, unemployment will rise, and spending will increase. Unfortunately, most of us aren't businesses and as mentioned, unemployment rises because businesses cut corners to adapt. In terms of run out that I said, it's more of run out of money to put forward into growth.
 
ForsythSnow said:
Basically, when an economy grows over a portion of several years, the money in the economy will start to run out. Entities only have so much they can funnel into something before the return diminishes. There can only be so many houses built, so many products produced and sold, etc before the cost rises and profits diminish. That's as far as I can explain it since I'm not an economist. In short, it's a lot like an engine, run it too long at full speed and it'll stop working.
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I think that is the way it used to work, but not anymore. The problem now is they can keep money flowing into the system by very low interest rates and constant government spending. So to take your example of a engine, it's more of an engine running with another engine behind the curtain. When one goes down, the other fires up until the broken down engine is fixed. Eventually it will all fail when the parts are exhausted, but until then the fascade of security can hide it.
 
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/02/judge-denies-doj-request-don-mcgahn-074846

This is one of the reasons Nancy is holding off, right now the latest ruling says McGahn has to testify and that Trumps executive privilege declaration does not cover McGahn….the DOJ instantly appealed it and tried to put it off but the appeals court said nah we will do it when it was originally scheduled which is this Fri Jan 3rd....if the judges uphold the lower court then they only have one appeal left the SCOTUS.....they could choose to not hear the case which means they agree with the lower court ruling or they could decide to hear it and make a official ruling ( best option IMO sets a precedent that is hard to counter) which IMO would go 6-3 or 7-2 in favor of the lower courts.

This though would take time, but if this ruling is upheld then Trump could no longer hide behind executive privilege and Bolton, Mulvaney and everyone else would be legally obligated to appear for any subpoena.
 
Shaggy said:
Thought this op-ed highlights a lot of my sentiments.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ans-need-real-2020-primary-column/2115605001/
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The problem is in his view he is proposing elected another “Republican”. He didn’t mention that the GOP has been spending money like it grew on trees and was the party of God and family yet didn’t do much when they were elected before Trump.

His sentiments are exactly why we have Trump as a candidate. To fix the problem we need a new Republican Party and that will not happen as long as most of the old guard is in DC. After Trump we will see another GOP picked nominee that follows the track of Bush, McCain or Romney.
 
Arcc said:
The problem is in his view he is proposing elected another “Republican”. He didn’t mention that the GOP has been spending money like it grew on trees and was the party of God and family yet didn’t do much when they were elected before Trump.

His sentiments are exactly why we have Trump as a candidate. To fix the problem we need a new Republican Party and that will not happen as long as most of the old guard is in DC. After Trump we will see another GOP picked nominee that follows the track of Bush, McCain or Romney.
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There is no more Republican party. Its split now IMO. The Republican party left me behind and I wont be supporting it nearly as much in the future.

My hope is the trump wing of the gop and the Warren/aoc/Warren wing of the Democrats become irrelevant and the moderates from both sides cast a collective middle finger and form a new centrist voting block.
 
Shaggy said:
There is no more Republican party. Its split now IMO. The Republican party left me behind and I wont be supporting it nearly as much in the future.

My hope is the trump wing of the gop and the Warren/aoc/Warren wing of the Democrats become irrelevant and the moderates from both sides cast a collective middle finger and form a new centrist voting block.
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I'm glad the GOP doesn't cater to the elites anymore. They were only prob at most 25% of the base most likely.
 
Shaggy said:
There is no more Republican party. Its split now IMO. The Republican party left me behind and I wont be supporting it nearly as much in the future.

My hope is the trump wing of the gop and the Warren/aoc/Warren wing of the Democrats become irrelevant and the moderates from both sides cast a collective middle finger and form a new centrist voting block.
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Unfortunately, all of the trends do not support reunification around some middle-of-the-road, centrist party...on either side. We are walking through a period of increasing divisiveness in our history. Fractures are only going to become more ubiquitous and deeper as we move forward. Politically, we're very likely going to swing from one extreme to another. Kind of as a tangent, you're seeing similar cycles in other areas too -- markets, weather, etc. It's interesting to see how trends in non-related environments move together.
 
Shaggy said:
There is no more Republican party. Its split now IMO. The Republican party left me behind and I wont be supporting it nearly as much in the future.

My hope is the trump wing of the gop and the Warren/aoc/Warren wing of the Democrats become irrelevant and the moderates from both sides cast a collective middle finger and form a new centrist voting block.
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Who in the Republican party is more moderate than Trump? It wasnt that long ago that he was a Democrat. I would love to know when the GOP left you and what issues you think they moved on when Trump was elected. Its pretty obvious that you just hate him which is fine but pointing your angry finger and those of us that do/will support him in 2020 is ridiculous
 
Sandbar said:
Who in the Republican party is more moderate than Trump? It wasnt that long ago that he was a Democrat. I would love to know when the GOP left you and what issues you think they moved on when Trump was elected. Its pretty obvious that you just hate him which is fine but pointing your angry finger and those of us that do/will support him in 2020 is ridiculous
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I don't think he was "Drawing it back to hating Trump" like you say he is as the reason. I think it's loony to start drawing such conclusions every time someone voices negativity about Trump and how he's shifted the party more radical. Right now, nobody on the 2020 field looks good. I'll keep saying it until November, but bag of diapers vs rotting fish. Maybe after Trump can no longer legally be elected and if the far left candidates lose steam will we have another shot at a fresh pool. Maybe by then we may have a shot at losing this radical-driven division.
 
ForsythSnow said:
I don't think he was "Drawing it back to hating Trump" like you say he is as the reason. I think it's loony to start drawing such conclusions every time someone voices negativity about Trump and how he's shifted the party more radical. Right now, nobody on the 2020 field looks good. I'll keep saying it until November, but bag of diapers vs rotting fish. Maybe after Trump can no longer legally be elected and if the far left candidates lose steam will we have another shot at a fresh pool. Maybe by then we may have a shot at losing this radical-driven division.
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He has repeatedly shown his hatred of the President and he has repeatedly questioned those of us who support him. I would love to know what is radical about Trump policy
 
Sandbar said:
He has repeatedly shown his hatred of the President and he has repeatedly questioned those of us who support him. I would love to know what is radical about Trump policy
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You act like questioning is a bad thing? If you aren't questioning people's actions who are in charge then you've probably gone blind to thinking for yourself. Also I wouldn't call dislike hate. I don't like Trump, but I don't hate him. I still would rather have had him elected in 2016 than Hillary. However since we are nearing the end of his term we can look back at his actions. No president will hold to all their promises. As far as the radical part, you know he pulled part of the party close to him because he was immensely popular, and politicians will do whatever they can to be liked and re-elected. Happens all the time. The radicalization isn't so much what he's doing in office, but more of the toxic sentiment he creates on twitter, in his speeches, and anything related. He makes everyone against him evil in his pictures and makes it seem like nobody, and I mean nobody, who doesn't support everything he says as uncooperative and sleazy. People like Warren helped fuel him because Trump had a more liked response to her helped increase this sentiment. He took what worked, trashing people at all costs, and made it his way of work. At one point I determined myself enough was enough and chose to no longer support him. I want the country to be unified, not split apart, and Trump and people like Warren don't fit into that idea. Most people don't want a divided nation.
 
ForsythSnow said:
You act like questioning is a bad thing? If you aren't questioning people's actions who are in charge then you've probably gone blind to thinking for yourself. Also I wouldn't call dislike hate. I don't like Trump, but I don't hate him. I still would rather have had him elected in 2016 than Hillary. However since we are nearing the end of his term we can look back at his actions. No president will hold to all their promises. As far as the radical part, you know he pulled part of the party close to him because he was immensely popular, and politicians will do whatever they can to be liked and re-elected. Happens all the time. The radicalization isn't so much what he's doing in office, but more of the toxic sentiment he creates on twitter, in his speeches, and anything related. He makes everyone against him evil in his pictures and makes it seem like nobody, and I mean nobody, who doesn't support everything he says as uncooperative and sleazy. People like Warren helped fuel him because Trump had a more liked response to her helped increase this sentiment. He took what worked, trashing people at all costs, and made it his way of work. At one point I determined myself enough was enough and chose to no longer support him. I want the country to be unified, not split apart, and Trump and people like Warren don't fit into that idea. Most people don't want a divided nation.
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That's fair
 
I have said this many times on this forum. STOP READING HIS TWITTER! Stop focusing on his Facebook. Because of the sensitive nature of my work, I dont latch on to social media so its easy for me but so many of you would live more relaxed lives if you just let him do the job he was elected to do and atop allowing your emotions to control you when it comes to politics. Let him be a narcassist. Let him be all these things that eat at you because NONE OF IT affects you unless you let it! Donald Trump isnt dividing this country because he tweets. You look at the last two GOP candidates McCain and Romney. Both tried to be the friendly guy in the middle and both got smoked. The Democrats have shown their hand. They are going hard left and dare you to defy them. Do you want somebody to punch back or does socialism really appeal to you?

I guess I got tired of leaving my family to deploy for 14 years only to come back home and watch the country I love and fought for get destroyed from within by the left and its media whores. I can stomach Trump if it means our country rises above the BS Obama and the left have put us through.
 
ForsythSnow said:
You act like questioning is a bad thing? If you aren't questioning people's actions who are in charge then you've probably gone blind to thinking for yourself. Also I wouldn't call dislike hate. I don't like Trump, but I don't hate him. I still would rather have had him elected in 2016 than Hillary. However since we are nearing the end of his term we can look back at his actions. No president will hold to all their promises. As far as the radical part, you know he pulled part of the party close to him because he was immensely popular, and politicians will do whatever they can to be liked and re-elected. Happens all the time. The radicalization isn't so much what he's doing in office, but more of the toxic sentiment he creates on twitter, in his speeches, and anything related. He makes everyone against him evil in his pictures and makes it seem like nobody, and I mean nobody, who doesn't support everything he says as uncooperative and sleazy. People like Warren helped fuel him because Trump had a more liked response to her helped increase this sentiment. He took what worked, trashing people at all costs, and made it his way of work. At one point I determined myself enough was enough and chose to no longer support him. I want the country to be unified, not split apart, and Trump and people like Warren don't fit into that idea. Most people don't want a divided nation.
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I'm actually pretty close to being ok with an amicable divorce of a nation. I've said it before, just not gonna compromise on some issues and the left have decided they aren't budging on any.

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Brent said:
any thoughts on the strike in Iraq tonight?
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I realize I’m gonna get crushed for this because Trump supporters keep to themselves and lay in wait...

A certain President WOULDN’T have allowed 4 Americans to be killed in a foreign country’s embassy after days of requests for help.

A certain President WOULDN’T have drawn a “FAKE RED LINE” in the sand. (Result: Thousands killed)

Our President doesn’t take crap! You throw a slap (attack on our Iraqi embassy) You get your ASS KICKED !!

Oh, and the douche we took out this evening is responsible for hundreds if not more murders including Americans.

I’ve shown my hand ..... have at it. Much Love ❤️
 
Poimen said:
My only concern is that when you do something like this it’s nearly impossible to see the unintended consequences and how it will end. Otherwise, I have no issue with it.
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Yeah I've seen some people freaking out over it but I feel like this has been a long time coming
 
EV_WS said:
I realize I’m gonna get crushed for this because Trump supporters keep to themselves and lay in wait...

A certain President WOULDN’T have allowed 4 Americans to be killed in a foreign country’s embassy after days of requests for help.

A certain President WOULDN’T have drawn a “FAKE RED LINE” in the sand. (Result: Thousands killed)

Our President doesn’t take crap! You throw a slap (attack on our Iraqi embassy) You get your ASS KICKED !!

Oh, and the douche we took out this evening is responsible for hundreds if not more murders including Americans.

I’ve shown my hand ..... have at it. Much Love ❤️
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Reagan would have done the same thing. That's what we should do no matter who is in office
 
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