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I'm all for it, everybody needs to be on the record for their vote and the truth needs to come out and the only way it's going to come out as if he's impeached/trial

This isn't the trial, this is where the House committee's air all the details, there can and will be more open door hearings, this is basically where the House lays it all out for America to see and then after 3-4 weeks of open door hearings etc they probably will draft and vote on articles of impeachment....

I personally think the Dems possibly are making this move now to set the stage for Bolton, the House is in talks for Bolton to come in voluntarily, if he agrees to that then its nothing but bad news for Trump and the Dems want him in a open door session live on CSPAN and every other cable network....they want the whole country to watch Bolton throw Trump under the bus.
 
You're right about the squad but that's a problem shared by the worst of trumps base. They would eliminate the constitution just as quickly if it meant they got what they wanted.

Some of his policies are ok. Most of his antics are not. His personality is nothing to be emulated. He is a sorry man and some people can separate his personality from his politics and support him.

I wasnt able to do so. I have a 3 yr old and I refuse to marginalize how trump bragged about grabbing women by the crotch. That is despicable.

If your wife comes home and says some guy did that to her what's your first reaction? Do you say "was he rich, have power, or have strong ideas for national policy"? Hell no.

Are we to teach our young men this is acceptable? How about our young women? Tell them it's ok as long as the man was rich and powerful? That alone was enough to completely turn me away from trump. We should never marginalize that behavior.
This and his treatment of McCain are why I will never respect this man. He is a coward and a bully.
 
This and his treatment of McCain are why I will never respect this man. He is a coward and a bully.

He complains about leaks but treats people like crap. What does he expect? You catch more flies with honey than vinegar and the way he treats people has led to loose tongues.

Trump believes he is still the boss of his company with how he runs the country and it just doesn't work that way.
 
I find it interesting that the stock markets closed at or near all-time highs today despite the impeachment investigation heating up.
 
Yep, eventually the chickens are coming home to roost and it will be ugly....
It's an amazing reality we live in. 3 straight quarters of earnings contractions, GDP slowing, several major economic indicators falling to or near recessionary levels, housing slowing, auto sales slowing, debt soaring everywhere, repo market seizing up, geopolitical instability everywhere, civil unrest increasing rapidly around the world, staring Brexit in the face, and the impeachment of a US president looking likely. And stocks are at all time highs and climbing. Yeah ok.
 
It's an amazing reality we live in. 3 straight quarters of earnings contractions, GDP slowing, several major economic indicators falling to or near recessionary levels, housing slowing, auto sales slowing, debt soaring everywhere, repo market seizing up, geopolitical instability everywhere, civil unrest increasing rapidly around the world, staring Brexit in the face, and the impeachment of a US president looking likely. And stocks are at all time highs and climbing. Yeah ok.
It's why I put as much faith in the stock marker as I do politicians. Wall St. means nothing to me, it's like that mystical SSW that is suppose to bring the winter or all winters and yet still nothing.
 
His answer was in response to this question, “If I’m your son, what advice would you give me next time I’m pulled over by a police officer?”

Sounds like sound advice to me but this is where we find ourselves today, insanity.

Not a LEO but drawing upon my experiences in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.....you tend to be a tad bit more on "alert" when in a hot zone. This is no different than a LEO in a area of high crime here. Everybody wants to go home safe at the end of the day including the cop. He or she may come across a bit overzealous but people have to put themselves in a LEO's shoes. It has always been a tough job made even tougher now because of the media (mainstream and social). You have to trust but also be on alert at the same time. It only takes a couple seconds to have a person pull a gun and the knock on the door could be to the LEO's spouse that he or she was killed in the line of duty.

Long story short. If you have nothing to hide just be polite and everybody goes about their business. Fear creates nervousness and that can easily change the dynamics of a simple traffic stop
 
For me, as an ordinary citizen, I have a "get out of there alive" mantra when I get pulled by law enforcement. It is yes sir, yes mam, have a good day policy for me. They have weaponry, I don't. They have friends with weaponry, I don't. They could also eliminate me without any evidence, if they saw fit. I don't mess around with the law. Take the ticket and go home.
 
The problem is he is breaking the law, and doing unethical stuff.......stuff that most of the conservatives on this site would be demanding Hillary and Obama go down for.....this is the part that pisses me off, there needs to be accountability all around, but neither side is willing to police its own side they only want to enforce stuff when it suits their parties needs and goals.....this is why we have the mess we do.

Basically everyone giving Trump a pass loses the right to whine when the Dems take over and does the same stuff.....if it comes out that Trump was using military aid ( our tax dollars ) to extort the Ukrainians into investigating the Bidens and that through Rudy they had a network of Ukrainian oligarchs etc funding Rudy and sending money to Trumps campaign would that have any effect on your vote? If in the face of these wrong doings by Trump you turned a blind eye do you understand why it makes your fury hollow and you a hypocrite when you demand justice for wrongs done by Obama/Hillary?

If there is proof of these acts would you not support removing Trump and letting Pence pick a VP and run in 2020.....I guess I do not understand why people support or want to keep a president that sucks like Trump does, there are tons of people more than capable of being the president way better than the guy in there now......imagine what the GOP could have got done if they had elected a person who actually knew WTH they were doing in 2016.

Let's put it this way and assume Devil's advocate. Let's say Trump was found guilty of the Ukraine stuff you mentioned. Since Hillary and Obama got a pass for all the things they did that broke the law or that were highly questionable (and there are a ton), should Trump? If Trump gets the justice he deserves then shouldn't Hillary and Obama also receive the same intense scrutiny that he has?

I think the issue a lot of people have (myself included) is you have a double standard when it comes to politicians. Even before Trump won as president the liberal base was already planning ahead and gearing up to try to find a crime he committed so they can remove him from office. That's an incredibly dangerous precedent to set just because you don't like someone's policies, words or actions. A person should only be investigated when there is something of serious concern and one party should NEVER go looking for a crime to find like the democrats have been doing since before he won the election. There were lots of questionable things during Obama's term but we didn't go through 8 years of investigations and attempts at impeachment because Republicans didn't like him or his policies. Republicans didn't launch a ton of investigations trying to find a crime or wrongdoing. There's also a sense by many of a double standard when people like Obama and Hillary have multiple issues that are highly questionable or should be heavily investigated but aren't... or if they are they get a pass like Hillary did in her email scandal. When people see them getting away with the kind of stuff they did and no repercussions is it no surprise that Trump supporters would want the same "fair" outcome for their guy? If Obama and Hillary got away with it, why not Trump too? Why should Trump get "justice" but Hillary and Obama get a pass? If we are going to seek justice, which path is the correct one to take? Do you lock all 3 up to get "justice" or give 2 of them a pass and lock the Republican up? Which is fair, just and consistent? This isn't to justify anything he's done but simply to look at it from a logical standpoint; if the law and justice is going to be avoided for Hillary and Obama then Trump should get the exact same treatment or if he goes to jail Hillary and Obama should be heavily investigated and sent to jail too. Also, this is all assuming one can actually prove he broke the law which hasn't happened at this time.

Last but not least, many Trump supporters are in favor of his policies and not his words/actions. The conservatives he has put in the Supreme Court make decisions throughout the year that affect our constitutional rights and are arguably as important, if not more than, a president is since the courts have so much power these days. What about all the other judges he has put in who are ones who will help uphold constitutional freedoms?

It's more than a "Trump bad" mentality it's looking at the big picture... not to mention in 2020 the alternative to Trump is likely going to be a socialist and just look at Venezuela to see how that ends up. Do you really want America to become like that? California is already halfway to third world status with their diseases rampant (like leprosy and typhus fever to name a few), rolling power outages due to mismanaged govt funds and green policies, corruption, and an out of control homeless population.

Regarding the overall Trump support I actually think it's higher than in 2020. Unemployment is at incredibly low levels and as Bill Clinton used to say "it's the economy stupid." Now if it crashes before the 2020 election that will probably hurt Trump more than anything else but as of now I think his support base is probably at higher levels than 2016. Just look at the fundraising money he's bringing in. I also know Wall Street doesn't want a socialist winning for obvious reasons so they might even back Trump depending on who the 2020 Dem candidate ends up being. This is my 2 cents on the topics discussed but it's great we live in a FREE country that men and women sacrificed their lives so that we can have choices, debate in a civil manner and celebrate the freedoms we do have.
 
Let's put it this way and assume Devil's advocate. Let's say Trump was found guilty of the Ukraine stuff you mentioned. Since Hillary and Obama got a pass for all the things they did that broke the law or that were highly questionable (and there are a ton), should Trump? If Trump gets the justice he deserves then shouldn't Hillary and Obama also receive the same intense scrutiny that he has?

I think the issue a lot of people have (myself included) is you have a double standard when it comes to politicians. Even before Trump won as president the liberal base was already planning ahead and gearing up to try to find a crime he committed so they can remove him from office. That's an incredibly dangerous precedent to set just because you don't like someone's policies, words or actions. A person should only be investigated when there is something of serious concern and one party should NEVER go looking for a crime to find like the democrats have been doing since before he won the election. There were lots of questionable things during Obama's term but we didn't go through 8 years of investigations and attempts at impeachment because Republicans didn't like him or his policies. Republicans didn't launch a ton of investigations trying to find a crime or wrongdoing. There's also a sense by many of a double standard when people like Obama and Hillary have multiple issues that are highly questionable or should be heavily investigated but aren't... or if they are they get a pass like Hillary did in her email scandal. When people see them getting away with the kind of stuff they did and no repercussions is it no surprise that Trump supporters would want the same "fair" outcome for their guy? If Obama and Hillary got away with it, why not Trump too? Why should Trump get "justice" but Hillary and Obama get a pass? If we are going to seek justice, which path is the correct one to take? Do you lock all 3 up to get "justice" or give 2 of them a pass and lock the Republican up? Which is fair, just and consistent? This isn't to justify anything he's done but simply to look at it from a logical standpoint; if the law and justice is going to be avoided for Hillary and Obama then Trump should get the exact same treatment or if he goes to jail Hillary and Obama should be heavily investigated and sent to jail too. Also, this is all assuming one can actually prove he broke the law which hasn't happened at this time.

Last but not least, many Trump supporters are in favor of his policies and not his words/actions. The conservatives he has put in the Supreme Court make decisions throughout the year that affect our constitutional rights and are arguably as important, if not more than, a president is since the courts have so much power these days. What about all the other judges he has put in who are ones who will help uphold constitutional freedoms?

It's more than a "Trump bad" mentality it's looking at the big picture... not to mention in 2020 the alternative to Trump is likely going to be a socialist and just look at Venezuela to see how that ends up. Do you really want America to become like that? California is already halfway to third world status with their diseases rampant (like leprosy and typhus fever to name a few), rolling power outages due to mismanaged govt funds and green policies, corruption, and an out of control homeless population.

Regarding the overall Trump support I actually think it's higher than in 2020. Unemployment is at incredibly low levels and as Bill Clinton used to say "it's the economy stupid." Now if it crashes before the 2020 election that will probably hurt Trump more than anything else but as of now I think his support base is probably at higher levels than 2016. Just look at the fundraising money he's bringing in. I also know Wall Street doesn't want a socialist winning for obvious reasons so they might even back Trump depending on who the 2020 Dem candidate ends up being. This is my 2 cents on the topics discussed but it's great we live in a FREE country that men and women sacrificed their lives so that we can have choices, debate in a civil manner and celebrate the freedoms we do have.


Go read this......https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...blicans-investigated-obama-column/3813132002/

I do not care what letter a person has beside their name wrong is wrong, the entire reason Washington is a cesspool is neither side cares when their side is the one filling up the swamp......giving Trump a pass because "Hillary and Obama" got away with one is a disappointing mindset that way to many people have.....
 
Go read this......https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...blicans-investigated-obama-column/3813132002/

I do not care what letter a person has beside their name wrong is wrong, the entire reason Washington is a cesspool is neither side cares when their side is the one filling up the swamp......giving Trump a pass because "Hillary and Obama" got away with one is a disappointing mindset that way to many people have.....

I’ve read articles like that one but you missed my point. Obama and Hillary got away with tons of questionable things and it’s logical for a person to conclude that Trump, if guilty, should either get away with it too or all 3 go to jail. I don’t see justice as 2 people getting away with something but the 3rd guy going to jail. Justice is all 3 going to jail or all 3 going free and getting the same treatment. Wouldn’t you agree that it’s not just to send one guy to jail but not the other two?

I’m also convinced if you investigated every Senator and House member you’d probably wind up with over 90% of them committing crimes if you looked hard enough. Politics has ALWAYS been a dirty game and there simply isn’t a way to get around it, some people just hide it better than others. I sure do wish it could be cleaned up but history says that’s how politics always has, and always will, be.
 
I’ve read articles like that one but you missed my point. Obama and Hillary got away with tons of questionable things and it’s logical for a person to conclude that Trump, if guilty, should either get away with it too or all 3 go to jail. I don’t see justice as 2 people getting away with something but the 3rd guy going to jail. Justice is all 3 going to jail or all 3 going free and getting the same treatment. Wouldn’t you agree that it’s not just to send one guy to jail but not the other two?

I’m also convinced if you investigated every Senator and House member you’d probably wind up with over 90% of them committing crimes if you looked hard enough. Politics has ALWAYS been a dirty game and there simply isn’t a way to get around it, some people just hide it better than others. I sure do wish it could be cleaned up but history says that’s how politics always has, and always will, be.
There are a few notable exceptions ... but relegated to footnotes in the annals ... :(
 
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