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I wasn't even attacking Trump, just making a obvious statement. If he has the power to do things like he did this week he has the power to help homeless vets. He just doesn't want to. It costs too much money

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Vets that want help are getting help. Those that are able and want to work are finding jobs and are doing so in a multitude of different fields. The government could always do more but things are much better. Im not sure why you even choose to argue this with me to be honest.
 
I’m just pointing out that from a technical and legal standpoint Trump isn’t actually considered impeached until Nancy gives it to the Senate. It doesn’t really matter either way but it’s interesting to note from a constitutional standpoint.

If you want a good laugh the 13 min audio clip in this article is awesome. Some Russian guys that run a YouTube channel prank called Maxine Waters, pretending to be Greta Thunberg and her father. They made up a fake island and conference and pretended to have dirt on Donald Trump. It’s hilarious and worth the listen.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/01/russians-prank-maxine-waters-with-greta-thunberg-confession/
Adam Schiff also fell for a Russian phone call prank. Unbelievable.
 
I wasn't even attacking Trump, just making a obvious statement. If he has the power to do things like he did this week he has the power to help homeless vets. He just doesn't want to. It costs too much money


iT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENTS JOB TO CARE OF ANYONE ! We have to stop expecting the government to do charity. That's OUR job! We have to take responsibility and do our job. You do yours, encourage others to do theirs, and don't look to anyone but God support our charity. He can move men and women to help.
 
iT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENTS JOB TO CARE OF ANYONE ! We have to stop expecting the government to do charity. That's OUR job! We have to take responsibility and do our job. You do yours, encourage others to do theirs, and don't look to anyone but God support our charity. He can move men and women to help.
That goes for people who can physically care for themselves. However he was talking about the homeless vets and as mentioned by another member, it's likely that way because of mental conditions caused by serving. If you put that and what you said together, there's no way a mentally ill person can care for themselves. Someone has to step up and care for them. The only logical way to help is with the government because not every charity and not every organization will reach these people or keep reaching them until they are either on a path to a better life or need long-term assistance. The government has a job to protect the people, not just with military, and if it means helping homeless citizens find a home then it meets that criteria.
 
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Vets that want help are getting help. Those that are able and want to work are finding jobs and are doing so in a multitude of different fields. The government could always do more but things are much better. Im not sure why you even choose to argue this with me to be honest.
Because the truth doesn't matter. No matter what lies are told and how stupid they are, it doesn't matter. Even when the truths are right there to find and apparent for all to see, it doesn't matter to some. As long as Trump is shut down nothing else matters. Most Trump haters know that what they hear are lies but they no longer care and are happy to spread them as well. Lies and crimes are justified as long as they get rid of Trump. It is more evident everyday. The dems are proving, that to get rid of Trump, they are willing to lose any common sense and send America straight to hell if need be (typical radical thinking). The battle field is not level when the basics like justice, truths and exposing crimes are not what all are fighting for. People are fed up with dems and MSM behavior period. Truth will prevail and I honestly think the dem party will not exist in the future. What have the dems done for anybody lately? What are they working on everyday to help Vets?
 
I'm not trying to argue with anyone, just pointing out it might make sense to address the problem of homeless veterans. Now more than ever it is important because we are on the verge of another armed conflict, which will create more homeless veterans. It's a cost of war nobody wants to pay because there is no big defense contractors to pay.
 
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Vets that want help are getting help. Those that are able and want to work are finding jobs and are doing so in a multitude of different fields. The government could always do more but things are much better. Im not sure why you even choose to argue this with me to be honest.
I do have a little personal experience with this. I had three Uncles serve in Korea and Vietnam, two came back but we're never the same. I have a friend that was in Iraq and he is not the man he was. It's just sad to think how their lives and their families could have been different.
 
I'm not trying to argue with anyone, just pointing out it might make sense to address the problem of homeless veterans. Now more than ever it is important because we are on the verge of another armed conflict, which will create more homeless veterans. It's a cost of war nobody wants to pay because there is no big defense contractors to pay.

Ok let me a bit clearer with my response. There will be a rise in homeless vets during a prolonged war for many reasons. More could always be done. Trump isn't the problem or the sole provider of any solution (Let that part sink in even though it stings). We aren't going into another armed conflict that we haven't already been in even though the "news" continues to scare you into thinking we are. We have been fighting Iran proxies in Iraq and Syria for years now. It is highly unlikely we will enter Iran on the ground.
 
Ok let me a bit clearer with my response. There will be a rise in homeless vets during a prolonged war for many reasons. More could always be done. Trump isn't the problem or the sole provider of any solution (Let that part sink in even though it stings). We aren't going into another armed conflict that we haven't already been in even though the "news" continues to scare you into thinking we are. We have been fighting Iran proxies in Iraq and Syria for years now. It is highly unlikely we will enter Iran on the ground.
I hope you are right
 
I hope you are right

I am concerned about troops and high level officials first and foremost but I am equally concerned about any attack on Israel. We don't want to be caught in the middle of a blowup between Iran and Israel because Israel is more than prepared to go all-in
 
Let’s see Bolton says he will testify if asked and the next day this. Anyone surprised?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ws...le-amid-trump-impeachment-impasse-11578420162

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) said he has enough votes to set impeachment trial rules that don’t guarantee new witnesses would be called, rebuffing demands from Democrats.
Mr. McConnell has concluded he has at least 51 votes from within his 53-member Republican conference for opening the trial first, and then voting later on whether to issue subpoenas for witnesses and documents.
 
I'm a little confused as to how killing the second most powerful man in Iran isn't a act of war? What would we do if they took out one of our highest ranking generals? I am in no way defending Iran but they do have reason to be angry.
 
I'm a little confused as to how killing the second most powerful man in Iran isn't a act of war? What would we do if they took out one of our highest ranking generals? I am in no way defending Iran but they do have reason to be angry.

Apparently they find that reason for being angry enough reason to be stupid.
 
I'm a little confused as to how killing the second most powerful man in Iran isn't a act of war? What would we do if they took out one of our highest ranking generals? I am in no way defending Iran but they do have reason to be angry.

That second most powerful man is a TERRORIST! Im pretty sure their act of war differs from most peaceful nations. Its fairly obvious Iran doesn't believe killing innocent people is a bad thing
 
I'm a little confused as to how killing the second most powerful man in Iran isn't a act of war? What would we do if they took out one of our highest ranking generals? I am in no way defending Iran but they do have reason to be angry.

My suggestion would be to visit the 600+ American family's who've lost a loved one, as well as the thousands of innocent civilians and entire family to ASK if they're okay with the U.S. taking out this radical Islamist terrorist/murderer was warranted. Not to mention future terrorist attacks, by his directive, were imminent. SMDH
 
My suggestion would be to visit the 600+ American family's who've lost a loved one, as well as the thousands of innocent civilians and entire family to ASK if they're okay with the U.S. taking out this radical Islamist terrorist/murderer was warranted. Not to mention future terrorist attacks, by his directive, were imminent. SMDH

Those American lives that were lost were lost in the 2003 war. An illegal war that we started based on false intel that saddam had wmds.
 
Those American lives that were lost were lost in the 2003 war. An illegal war that we started based on false intel that saddam had wmds.

While I understand people's issues with Iraq, if I remember right the Taliban hit us first. So that argument doesn't work in the whole case.
 
That second most powerful man is a TERRORIST! Im pretty sure their act of war differs from most peaceful nations. Its fairly obvious Iran doesn't believe killing innocent people is a bad thing

We have also killed innocent civilians. To the average Iranian, we are the terrorists. Our actions toward their country dating back to their revolution show this dude. Do you want me to list them out? How do you expect them to look at us and think we are the good guys?! I am deeply hurting for the innocent pawns, both soldiers and civilians, who have to deal with a mankind that is so bloody and evil.
While I understand people's issues with Iraq, if I remember right the Taliban hit us first. So that argument doesn't work in the whole case.

You aren’t recalling correctly. The taliban have nothing to do with iraq. So the argument works just fine. Lets acknowledge our mistakes when they’re obvious.
 
Those American lives that were lost were lost in the 2003 war. An illegal war that we started based on false intel that saddam had wmds.

Brave men and women are there risking their lives. The fighting isnt here. Support those men and women for ensuring you can offer your opinions no matter how stupid they are. You owe it to them to atleast acknowledge the sacrifice made
 
You aren’t recalling correctly. The taliban have nothing to do with iraq. So the argument works just fine. Lets acknowledge our mistakes when they’re obvious.

Neither does Iran, but if this general guy perpetrated terrorist attacks then he had coming and recieved the same punishment as the Taliban did.
 
It sure feels as if we are suddenly on the cusp of war with Iran. I hope I'm wrong and that cooler heads will eventually prevail. But if the attacks tonight caused any loss of life, there will most certainly be a response from us. As I said the other night, it's the unforeseen consequences that make the attack of the general most concerning to me.
 
It sure feels as if we are suddenly on the cusp of war with Iran. I hope I'm wrong and that cooler heads will eventually prevail. But if the attacks tonight caused any loss of life, there will most certainly be a response from us. As I said the other night, it's the unforeseen consequences that make the attack of the general most concerning to me.

This reaction was expected and factored in. There will be a response on our end and tensions will remain high. Its pretty much a pissing contest that we will win
 
This reaction was expected and factored in. There will be a response on our end and tensions will remain high. Its pretty much a pissing contest that we will win

I'm not sure why everyone is so confident that we will win a pissing contest with Iran. We're talking about a country that expended one million men in a war with Iraq. They're not scared and they're not going down without a fight. This ain't Saddam Hussein.
 
I'm not sure why everyone is so confident that we will win a pissing contest with Iran. We're talking about a country that expended one million men in a war with Iraq. They're not scared and they're not going down without a fight. This ain't Saddam Hussein.

They have been fighting a proxie war against us since we first put boots on the ground in Iraq. This is nothing new
 
It sure feels as if we are suddenly on the cusp of war with Iran. I hope I'm wrong and that cooler heads will eventually prevail. But if the attacks tonight caused any loss of life, there will most certainly be a response from us. As I said the other night, it's the unforeseen consequences that make the attack of the general most concerning to me.
I understand the sentiment but we can't be isolationist either. History, distant and recent, tells us if we do nothing attacks will occur here, on our own soil. Do we prevent imminent attacks or wait until they occur? In the law enforcement world, you don't wait until a shot is fired at you before you can use force, of course that gets criticized these days as well....

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All missiles POSSIBBLY missed their target. If that's true, they are either playing chicken or their missiles are pathetic...They might be in trouble

Probably playing chicken. Trying to look "tough" and send a message or trying to force us to retaliate so they can cry to Europe.
 
I hope it's just Russian trolls but there are posts on Facebook about 30 dead US troops and Iranian air Force in Iraq
 
It all amounts to they're really going after Israel and that's what they really want to do eventually
 
Suppose we had NOT taken out General “Salami”..... Never Trumpers, including the complicit media, would be non stop if God forbid another Benghazi or worse happened. Lose Lose for President Trump. Much like Clinton had a chance at UBL in 1999. (Never hear about that do we...)

As far as Irans military capabilities, yes formidable. However, aside from cyber damage a million man army is archaic IMHO.
 
I hope it's just Russian trolls but there are posts on Facebook about 30 dead US troops and Iranian air Force in Iraq

Ten missiles hit Al-Assad Air Base, one missile hit a military base in Erbil and four missiles failed, according to a U.S. military spokesman for Central Command, responsible for American forces in the Middle East. The attacks unfolded in two waves, each about an hour apart.

Initial assessments showed "no U.S. casualties," a U.S. military official in Baghdad told Fox News
 
Those American lives that were lost were lost in the 2003 war. An illegal war that we started based on false intel that saddam had wmds.

Wrong. American Missionaries and 1,000s not hundreds of Christians have been slaughtered even into the current times we find ourselves at this very moment by the Iranian regime. You never have and never will here about it from mainstream media. They hide behind proxy names and attack anyone and everyone who doesnt subscribe to their way of thinking. TRUMP stood idly by why they attacked Saudi oil fields,tankers,shot down our drones. But when they killed an American contractor and injured 4 other Americans, Iran crossed the line. Trump responded appropiately. Trump has zero interest in Iran. All he demands is hands off American lives and 0 tollerance they possess a nuke. Very simple. Tonight they fired 15 missles, not one American was affected. Iran trying to save face in its country. They fully understand what will happen if one American is harmed as long as Trump is president. I can assure you he want be flying a airplane full of taxpayer money over there, given every Tom ---- and Harry immunity and have 0 inspections and sancations while they build a nuke.
 
All missiles POSSIBBLY missed their target. If that's true, they are either playing chicken or their missiles are pathetic...They might be in trouble
LOL....Report: Iran ready to stop if not attacked

LOL....Report: Iran ready to stop if not attacked

Brilliant! Hit one drone and no American casualties. Iran could easily have inflicted much worse. War averted... I pray. Iran saves face as does the U.S.
 
Neither does Iran, but if this general guy perpetrated terrorist attacks then he had coming and recieved the same punishment as the Taliban did.

He had it coming and he was a very evil man. I mean he even killed many of his own people (Persians) who were never supporting the Mullah leadership. So the world is much better off with him dead and he deserved to be killed. But perhaps he should have been killed in a more covert manner (CIA) to leave Iran guessing and thus not elicit such a strong emotional response against the US from Iran. Many of Trumps advisers advised against Trump doing it this way, but Trump listens to hardly anyone because he has to have his own way (like a stubborn child).

Per my longtime Iranian friend, a large majority of Iranian citizens has always been supportive of the US and against the Mullah leadership because these folks are Persian and for the most part are NOT religious Muslims. They liked the secular Shah. But my friend was very surprised about the huge crowds at the funeral. Remember that he has killed many Iranians. He was an enemy to them. He thinks that many folks not supporting him were forced to go to his funeral. But he's now also worried that the assassination may have caused some of these pro-American Persians to get emotional and become supportive of their govt for fear that the assassination represented an attack on their country. He's confused right now as to exactly what is going on. Had this assassination been done covertly, there wouldn't be this same risk of these pro-American Iranian citizens losing their support for the US and Iran attacking.

Regardless, hopefully these reports that there were no Americans killed is true.
 
He had it coming and he was a very evil man. I mean he even killed many of his own people (Persians) who were never supporting the Mullah leadership. So the world is much better off with him dead and he deserved to be killed. But perhaps he should have been killed in a more covert manner (CIA) to leave Iran guessing and thus not elicit such a strong emotional response against the US from Iran. Many of Trumps advisers advised against Trump doing it this way, but Trump listens to hardly anyone because he has to have his own way (like a stubborn child).

Per my longtime Iranian friend, a large majority of Iranian citizens has always been supportive of the US and against the Mullah leadership because these folks are Persian and for the most part are NOT religious Muslims. They liked the secular Shah. But my friend was very surprised about the huge crowds at the funeral. Remember that he has killed many Iranians. He was an enemy to them. He thinks that many folks not supporting him were forced to go to his funeral. But he's now also worried that the assassination may have caused some of these pro-American Persians to get emotional and become supportive of their govt for fear that the assassination represented an attack on their country. He's confused right now as to exactly what is going on. Had this assassination been done covertly, there wouldn't be this same risk of these pro-American Iranian citizens losing their support for the US and Iran attacking.

Regardless, hopefully these reports that there were no Americans killed is true.
Yeah a covert operation would have been better, but what do I know.
 
Yeah a covert operation would have been better, but what do I know.

The other thing that my friend was telling me was that Trump threatening to destroy the 52 or whatever cultural monuments, etc, was a very bad idea keeping in mind that many of them go back to ancient Persia, which date back to well before Iran, itself, came into being.
 
supposedly a Ukrainian airliner just crashed in Tehran from a "technical issue"(per Iranian media 5 minutes later no less)

totally not a coincidence at all
 
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