Political Thread

[Round Oak Weather]

Ok and? Many cases in democratically controlled states early on in the covid-19 crisis were also mild or asymptomatic >>> thus none of this changes the fact that republican leadership in red states carry much of the blame for their spikes in cases. Try again

i would’ve also hoped and expected the people of the states to control themselves just like the governors did by not going to bars or protesting but as we’ve seen over the past few weeks we can’t. My Aunt works in the Covid line in Valdosta and most of the people she’s seen are young people and they’ve mainly been to the bars down there and have very mild cases. Most middle aged and older people are following protocol even if they aren’t wearing mask by staying away from the elderly and not going into crowded areas. Young people tho have to be stupid and probably ruin it for everyone in these states who are opening back up by keeping schools closed probably eventually forcing shut downs again and keeping sports from being played. That’s why I’m begging to come in line with the idea of closing the bars back down but the only problem I have with that again is that your hurting someone’s business. Long post but I’m very aggravated I may not be able to go to college on campus in the fall and be forced online where I’m just wasting my time and money learning nothing.

 

[Webberweather53]

We have already addressed this multiple times as well...... saving the economy saves lives as well. You never told us which lives you thought were more important Poverty or Covid-19... care to answer?

There will always be a lot of poverty in a capitalistic society where haves vs have nots rules the roost regardless of how well or poorly the economy is performing. There won't always be covid-19 however and we can very easily control the number of cases, hospitalizations, deaths, and number of people with long-term complications by taking steps to prevent ourselves and others around us from being infected. Preventing the spread of covid-19 is more important than the economy right now, republican states especially in the south, are finding that out the hard way.

 

[Shaggy]

We have already addressed this multiple times as well...... saving the economy saves lives as well. You never told us which lives you thought were more important Poverty or Covid-19... care to answer?

Strawman. Poverty isnt killing 1k people a day.

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

Strawman. Poverty isnt killing 1k people a day.

No, not a strawman....... If the economy crashes, it will result in more murders, suicides, and deaths just from the lack of health care. You can't have it both ways folks. You have to compromise.

 

[Webberweather53]

No, not a strawman....... If the economy crashes, it will result in more murders, suicides, and deaths just from the lack of health care. You can't have it both ways folks. You have to compromise.

Compromise? You mean immediately open the economy back up at full blast, risk killing tens of thousands of innocent people, lack of readily accessible health care (because the system is overwhelmed), also not wearing a mask because it's uncomfortable, unhealthy, not enforceable, or some other stupid excuse MAGAs come up with. Yeah that sounds like compromise to me.

 

[Tornadocane]

Strawman. Poverty isnt killing 1k people a day.

Yeah. It's killing over 100,000 Americans in a average year.

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

There will always be a lot of poverty in a capitalistic society where haves vs have nots rules the roost regardless of how well or poorly the economy is performing. There won't always be covid-19 however and we can very easily control the number of cases, hospitalizations, deaths, and number of people with long-term complications by taking steps to prevent ourselves and others around us from being infected. Preventing the spread of covid-19 is more important than the economy right now, republican states especially in the south, are finding that out the hard way.

Not true.... we can have both. We already came up with a viable solution. Protect the elderly and let everyone get back to work. Wear your masks and practice social distancing. Now, was that so difficult. Let's get on with it.

 

[Webberweather53]

Yeah. It's killing over 100,000 Americans in a average year.

Poverty is permanent fixture in the US and nothing new, it will never go away and we've been dealing with it for hundreds of years and will continue to do so, so long as we remain a capitalistic society.

Covid provides additional death and suffering that previously weren't explained by poverty, car accidents, cancer, etc. Not sure why this is such a hard concept for some people to wrap their brains around.

 

[Shaggy]

Yeah. It's killing over 100,000 Americans in a average year.

So then you support an increase in minimum wage to $15 so we lift as many people out of poverty as possible......awesome, solid policy position you have there.

 

[Webberweather53]

Not true.... we can have both. We already came up with a viable solution. Protect the elderly and let everyone get back to work. Wear your masks and practice social distancing. Now, was that so difficult. Let's get on with it.

Except that's definitely not working in states that have tried that (mostly republican states) and people aren't taking all the necessary precautions, many elderly are being forced to go back to work anyway and many, even in this very thread are perpetuating myths about wearing masks.

No we can't have it both ways, because the US is full of a bunch of spoiled brats that value the economy and personal freedoms over the livelihood of themselves and others and love to make everything into some sick, twisted conspiracy theory

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

Compromise? You mean immediately open the economy back up at full blast, risk killing tens of thousands of innocent people, lack of readily accessible health care (because the system is overwhelmed), also not wearing a mask because it's uncomfortable, unhealthy, not enforceable, or some other stupid excuse MAGAs come up with. Yeah that sounds like compromise to me.

Don't be ridiculous.... There is always a solution that is beneficial to both sides. Protecting lives and opening back up. It is possible to do both. Folks just need to be supportive of the restrictions. Further more, I am a MAGA supporter and I don't make stupid excuses or stupid decisions. I don't appreciate the implication that I am somehow inferior...... Nothing could be farther from the truth.

 

[Sandbar]

We have already addressed this multiple times as well...... saving the economy saves lives as well. You never told us which lives you thought were more important Poverty or Covid-19... care to answer?

Those that choose covid-19 over poverty seem to be the most "emotionally obsessed" with Donald J Trump. Just an observation from someone who knows ZERO people with this virus. None.....nada. People who face economic ruin dont just snap their fingers like Thanos and it all goes away

 

[Webberweather53]

Don't be ridiculous.... There is always a solution that is beneficial to both sides. Protecting lives and opening back up. It is possible to do both. Folks just need to be supportive of the restrictions. Further more, I am a MAGA supporter and I don't make stupid excuses or stupid decisions. I don't appreciate the implication that I am somehow inferior...... Nothing could be farther from the truth.

There is but some... actually many people on the right would rather open everything up right now to save a few bucks even if granny passes away. Like Dan Patrick once said: "Old people are willing to die for the economy!"

 

[Bham 99]

There is but some... actually many people on the right would rather open everything up right now to save a few bucks even if granny passes away. Like Dan Patrick once said: "Old people are willing to die for the economy!"

If they shut down your grocery store and you couldn't work how would you feel?

 

[Webberweather53]

If they shut down your grocery store and you couldn't work how would you feel?

I'm sorry but they will not shut down a major chain grocery store, that's literally the last business that will shut down even in the middle of a crsis. We will stay open no matter what, or else risk mass chaos & total societal breakdown.

 

[Bham 99]

I'm sorry but they will not shut down a major chain grocery store, that's literally the last business that will shut down even in the middle of a crsis. We will stay open no matter what, or else risk mass chaos & total societal breakdown.

Oh I agree definitely.. but if there was something wrong and they had to shut down indefinitely how would that make you feel?

 

[VegasEagle]

So then you support an increase in minimum wage to $15 so we lift as many people out of poverty as possible......awesome, solid policy position you have there.

Minimal wage is Minimal wage. The $ number does not mater, for, over time all other wages will adjust . I do agree that it should be adjusted for inflation every 3 years

 

[Webberweather53]

Oh I agree definitely.. but if there was something wrong and they had to shut down indefinitely how would that make you feel?

I... personally do not care. It's just a job that provides a temporary means to an end and I have plenty saved up to survive without it for a long time.

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

Except that's definitely not working in states that have tried that (mostly republican states) and people aren't taking all the necessary precautions, many elderly are being forced to go back to work anyway and many, even in this very thread are perpetuating myths about wearing masks.

No we can't have it both ways, because the US is full of a bunch of spoiled brats that value the economy and personal freedoms over the livelihood of themselves and others and love to make everything into some sick, twisted conspiracy theory

You are wrong. I care about the economy and I wear my mask to prevent the spread. I practice social distancing, and I do everything that I am supposed to do to keep my parents and others safe. I am not some spoiled brat...... I love my country and I love our freedom, but I am not going to go against what is right just to make a point (look at riots and looting). There are folks on both sides that don't care about lives..... We can do this back and forth all night and you know it. Truth is, we have to get on with our lives and we have to do it responsibly. That's the message we should be presenting as a country.

 

[Webberweather53]

You are wrong. I care about the economy and I wear my mask to prevent the spread. I practice social distancing, and I do everything that I am supposed to do to keep my parents and others safe. I am not some spoiled brat...... I love my country and I love our freedom, but I am not going to go against what is right just to make a point (look at riots and looting). There are folks on both sides that don't care about lives..... We can do this back and forth all night and you know it. Truth is, we have to get on with our lives and we have to do it responsibly. That's the message we should be presenting as a country.

No you are wrong. Not everyone lives in Cad Wedge's utopian society where we all get along, holds hands, and sing kumbaya. This country as a whole is full of spoiled brats that don't want to follow the rules and comply with mandates and recommendations about protecting themselves and others. During a global pandemic, it only takes one or just a few bad apples to ruin the entire bunch.

 

[Shaggy]

Minimal wage is Minimal wage. The $ number does not mater, for, over time all other wages will adjust . I do agree that it should be adjusted for inflation every 3 years

But doesnt it beg the question....these guys are talking about how bad poverty kills and by shutting down to protect lives it's bad because we are creating poverty. Yet their political leanings fight tooth and nail to avoid any attempt to lift people out of poverty.

Stopping poverty by raising minimum wage bad

Stopping poverty by opening up exposing people to deadly virus good

Am I missing something here man?

 

[Bham 99]

But doesnt it beg the question....these guys are talking about how bad poverty kills and by shutting down to protect lives it's bad because we are creating poverty. Yet their political leanings fight tooth and nail to avoid any attempt to lift people out of poverty.

Stopping poverty by raising minimum wage bad

Stopping poverty by opening up exposing people to deadly virus good

Am I missing something here man?

If you think so badly of our leanings then how the hell did you vote Republican for so many years?

 

[NoSnowATL]

I... personally do not care. It's just a job that provides a temporary means to an end and I have plenty saved up to survive without it for a long time.

I was about to say, a person with the brain of yours you don’t need to work at a GS. 6 figures baby! Then you will come to the other side once that money is rolling in..... money is good but more money is better!

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

I... personally do not care. It's just a job that provides a temporary means to an end and I have plenty saved up to survive without it for a long time.

Then why don't you give some of your money to the poor and less fortunate out there? There are plenty of people struggling because they have lost their job due to the economy shutting down.

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

I was about to say, a person with the brain of yours you don’t need to work at a GS. 6 figures baby! Then you will come to the other side once that money is rolling in..... money is good but more money is better!

No kidding....... He will be voting a straight Republican ticket before you know it.

 

[Webberweather53]

Then why don't you give some of your money to the poor and less fortunate out there? There are plenty of people struggling because they have lost their job due to the economy shutting down.

As usual, Trump supporters coming in hard w/ a strawman

 

[Webberweather53]

No kidding....... He will be voting a straight Republican ticket before you know it.

Umm hello? I've been doing that my entire life up to this point? Unlike you I have an open mind and am willing to listen to what the other side of the aisle has to say

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

As usual, Trump supporters coming in hard w/ a strawman

Just a suggestion.... I didn't actually expect you to give a crap about some factory workers.

 

[Shaggy]

If you think so badly of our leanings then how the hell did you vote Republican for so many years?

I've always been open to an increase in minimum wage. Not $15 an hour but an increase to 10 as a start see how the job market reacts and adjust higher.

Several cities have done this and I havent heard of mass flight of jobs from those areas.

 

[Webberweather53]

Just a suggestion.... I didn't actually expect you to give a crap about some factory workers.

Here's a suggestion: try to stay on topic.

 

[VegasEagle]

But doesnt it beg the question....these guys are talking about how bad poverty kills and by shutting down to protect lives it's bad because we are creating poverty. Yet their political leanings fight tooth and nail to avoid any attempt to lift people out of poverty.

Stopping poverty by raising minimum wage bad

Stopping poverty by opening up exposing people to deadly virus good

Am I missing something here man?

There will ALWAYS be property, due to illness, substance abuse, birth defects, pure bad luck and, laziness . May i suggest reading the book Animal Farm. It is a good read that leads to the understanding of human nature and how we get income class and natural policies of those in power.

 

[NoSnowATL]

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

Umm hello? I've been doing that my entire life up to this point? Unlike you I have an open mind and am willing to listen to what the other side of the aisle has to say

Oh, I listen.... very intently, mind you. It's just sometimes a little difficult to discern the truth among so many lies and false news stories. This is from both sides. That's why I listen to news feeds from other countries. They have a much more unbiased media.

 

[Webberweather53]

There will ALWAYS be property, due to illness, substance abuse, birth defects, pure bad luck and, laziness . May i suggest reading the book Animal Farm. It is a good read that leads to the understanding of human nature and how we get income class and natural policies of those in power.

This is exactly my previous point, there will always be poverty basically no matter what, it's a constant fixture in society COVID-19 definitely will not and should not be and we shouldn't focus our attention at the current moment w/ a global pandemic, on fixing a problem (poverty) that will never go away no matter what.

 

[Webberweather53]

Oh, I listen.... very intently, mind you. It's just sometimes a little difficult to discern the truth among so many lies and false news stories. This is from both sides. That's why I listen to news feeds from other countries. They have a much more unbiased media.

Pretty doubtful you do, but I'll try to take your word for it.

 

[ghost1]

Senior hospital ER exec in Texas explains ‘surge’ of coronavirus cases, says most ‘mild’ or ‘asymptomatic’

Senior hospital ER exec in Texas explains 'surge' of coronavirus cases, says most 'mild' or 'asymptomatic'

Former NYT reporter Alex Berenson shared portions of an email on Twitter from a “senior executive at a Texas ER chain” who downplays the new COVID 'crisis’

www.bizpacreview.com

My son is an MD and works critical covid care in Austin... he intubates those who can't breathe on their own. I talked to him this evening and he said it was the worse he's seen in the 3 months he's been on the team.

 

[ghost1]

From the article I just posted:

"As for the number of patients winding up in hospital intensive care units, “most” are not there for coronavirus."

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/0...s-cases-says-most-mild-or-asymptomatic-941288

From me:
Trump knows that testing finds asymptomatic and mild cases which is medically fine, but its being used to dramatize the virus numbers for political and financial reasons.

Bizpacreview.. LOL. The World Weekly News of the Right. Must wear tin foil hat to read

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

This is exactly my previous point, there will always be poverty basically no matter what, it's a constant fixture in society COVID-19 definitely will not and should not be and we shouldn't focus our attention at the current moment w/ a global pandemic, on fixing a problem (poverty) that will never go away no matter what.

You still don't get it...... this is not about the poor. The percentage of poor folks has been fairly static in the past. No, this is about forcing a lot more people into that poverty class due to a closed economy. You have no idea what that would do to our society or our nation. I wouldn't want to imagine it. That's what I am trying to get you folks to understand. This virus has really hurt our country and now we are once again being asked to choose the lesser of two evils. A compromise is inevitable.

 

[Webberweather53]

You still don't get it...... this is not about the poor. The percentage of poor folks has been fairly static in the past. No, this is about forcing a lot more people into that poverty class due to a closed economy. You have no idea what that would do to our society or our nation. I wouldn't want to imagine it. That's what I am trying to get you folks to understand. This virus has really hurt our country and now we are once again being asked to choose the lesser of two evils. A compromise is inevitable.

Sorry but you're wrong, significantly more people aren't going to die if the economy closes vs letting covid run rampant, neither you nor I can support such a claim. The government will be forced to provide more safety nets to get us through the worst of the tough times and we will be better for it in the long run rather than allowing cases to reach insurmountable levels and having to dig mass graves with tens to hundreds of thousands of deaths in rapid succession. If the government doesn't provide this additional safety, society will in fact break down and chaos will ensue and that's simply not going to happen in any realistic, reasonable set of circumstances.

 

[VegasEagle]

You still don't get it...... this is not about the poor. The percentage of poor folks has been fairly static in the past. No, this is about forcing a lot more people into that poverty class due to a closed economy. You have no idea what that would do to our society or our nation. I wouldn't want to imagine it. That's what I am trying to get you folks to understand. This virus has really hurt our country and now we are once again being asked to choose the lesser of two evils. A compromise is inevitable.

We just going to have to learn to tango better.