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Rosie said:
Any other reports on this?
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Antifa is a major problem and is disgusting. So is AOC like when she compared the overcrowded border facilities to Nazi concentration camps. She’s horrible in so many ways. Then again, the far right is not at all immune to criticism as it also has its disgusting problem groups such as the very hateful neo-Nazis and scum like David Duke.

I don’t like extremes on either side. They’re all dangerous and bad news. Our country is as I said two nations that are getting further apart.

To be fair, I think I see why Rosie is asking for other sources. I didn’t initially pay attention to the source, “Big League Politics” (BLP). Had I paid attention, I would have questioned the source for bias. I’d like to see how some middle of the road sources such as AP, UPI, The Economist, Politico, and Roll Call cover this. From the middle of the road site, “Media Bias/Fact Check” (middle of the road because they have classified about as many sources as far left biased as they have far right biased based on my own count....their total body of work averages right down the middle), I found this assessment of BLP:

“Overall, we rate Big League Politics strongly Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to use of poor sources and promotion of conspiracy theories. (D. Van Zandt 8/2/2017) Updated (6/22/2018)”
 
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GaWx said:
Antifa is a major problem and is disgusting. So is AOC like when she compared the overcrowded border facilities to Nazi concentration camps. She’s horrible in so many ways. Then again, the far right is not at all immune to criticism as it also has its disgusting problem groups such as the very hateful neo-Nazis and scum like David Duke.

I don’t like extremes on either side. They’re all dangerous and bad news. Our country is as I said two nations that are getting further apart.

To be fair, I think I see why Rosie is asking for other sources. I didn’t initially pay attention to the source, “Big League Politics” (BLP). Had I paid attention, I would have questioned the source for bias. I’d like to see how some middle of the road sources such as AP, UPI, The Economist, Politico, and Roll Call cover this. From the middle of the road site, “Media Bias/Fact Check” (middle of the road because they have classified about as many sources as far left biased as they have far right biased based on my own count....their total body of work averages right down the middle), I found this assessment of BLP:

“Overall, we rate Big League Politics strongly Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to use of poor sources and promotion of conspiracy theories. (D. Van Zandt 8/2/2017) Updated (6/22/2018)”
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There are a few dozen sites reporting it but most of them are citing the Big League Politics story since they were the ones who broke the story. I did see the daily beast, considered a left leaning site, reported on it as well. They have screenshots of the conversation and the event organizer is quoted as reporting it to the FBI and DHS. There are also a number of screenshots circulating throughout Twitter of the conversation and on Facebook as well... but since the threat was made via Telegram/social media it would be something that is hard to verify if it were a legitimate threat or just someone pulling a prank. However, it's not surprising either because the attack in Oregon they were carrying milkshakes laced with quick dry cement and the attacks have been increasingly violent.

Btw here is how the Daily Beast was rated on the website you mentioned.

"A factual search reveals that the Daily Beast has failed a fact check, however when brought to their attention, they issued a correction to the story. By issuing a correction they remain High for factual reporting.
Overall, we rate the Daily Beast Left-Biased due to story selection that favors the left and High for factual reporting based on proper sourcing. (5/13/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 8/01/2018)"
 
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GaWx said:
Antifa is a major problem and is disgusting. So is AOC like when she compared the overcrowded border facilities to Nazi concentration camps. She’s horrible in so many ways. Then again, the far right is not at all immune to criticism as it also has its disgusting problem groups such as the very hateful neo-Nazis and scum like David Duke.

I don’t like extremes on either side. They’re all dangerous and bad news. Our country is as I said two nations that are getting further apart.

To be fair, I think I see why Rosie is asking for other sources. I didn’t initially pay attention to the source, “Big League Politics” (BLP). Had I paid attention, I would have questioned the source for bias. I’d like to see how some middle of the road sources such as AP, UPI, The Economist, Politico, and Roll Call cover this. From the middle of the road site, “Media Bias/Fact Check” (middle of the road because they have classified about as many sources as far left biased as they have far right biased based on my own count....their total body of work averages right down the middle), I found this assessment of BLP:

“Overall, we rate Big League Politics strongly Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to use of poor sources and promotion of conspiracy theories. (D. Van Zandt 8/2/2017) Updated (6/22/2018)”
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Exactly!
 
snowlover91 said:
There are a few dozen sites reporting it but most of them are citing the Big League Politics story since they were the ones who broke the story. I did see the daily beast, considered a left leaning site, reported on it as well. They have screenshots of the conversation and the event organizer is quoted as reporting it to the FBI and DHS. There are also a number of screenshots circulating throughout Twitter of the conversation and on Facebook as well... but since the threat was made via Telegram/social media it would be something that is hard to verify if it were a legitimate threat or just someone pulling a prank. However, it's not surprising either because the attack in Oregon they were carrying milkshakes laced with quick dry cement and the attacks have been increasingly violent.

Btw here is how the Daily Beast was rated on the website you mentioned.

"A factual search reveals that the Daily Beast has failed a fact check, however when brought to their attention, they issued a correction to the story. By issuing a correction they remain High for factual reporting.
Overall, we rate the Daily Beast Left-Biased due to story selection that favors the left and High for factual reporting based on proper sourcing. (5/13/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 8/01/2018)"
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I would never support the horrible group Antifa and their violence. However, I have to ask you if you’re aware of The Proud Boys’ leaders association with white supremacy and anti-semitism? I would not be proud to support The Proud Boys though I’m not saying you are.
 
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GaWx said:
I would never support the horrible group Antifa and their violence. However, I have to ask you if you’re aware of The Proud Boys’ leaders association with white supremacy and anti-semitism? I would not be proud to support The Proud Boys though I’m not saying you are.
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All of these so called groups are fake news. Most get paid to rally, to start conflict and most call local TV stations to let them know where they are going to be. These rallies don’t work, they just divide the country even more. How about going to work, paying taxes and trying to improve yourself and family. I’m sick and tired of hearing and seeing this crap on tv.


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GaWx said:
I would never support the horrible group Antifa and their violence. However, I have to ask you if you’re aware of The Proud Boys’ leaders association with white supremacy and anti-semitism? I would not be proud to support The Proud Boys though I’m not saying you are.
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I've heard of them and am aware of what they stand for. I don't support them or the Antifa. My point is that the threat by Antifa, if it is correct or acted on, is extremely dangerous with throwing acid milkshakes on people that could kill them or severely burn them or scar them for life. It doesn't really matter who the group is, I wouldn't wish that kind of torture or violence on anyone.
 
@GaWx and @snowlover91 I certainly don't support antifa or any hate group but there are some disturbing differences imo on how they are reported on or handled especially by the left. I also abhor the fact that neo-nazi white supremacy groups get lumped in with conservatives, they are extremist and have nothing to do with conservative values.

With that said, if any of these white supremacy hate groups attempted what antifa has actually been able to pull off in Portland, and other places to a lesser degree, there isn't a single city that would give their LEO agencies stand down orders. Maybe these orders haven't been given directly but they certainly aren't holding them accountable for not responding but if it were the other way around, police chief's heads would roll. There is clearly a double standard and both groups should be held accountable for their actions and put out of business as soon as violence erupts.
 
metwannabe said:
@GaWx and @snowlover91 I certainly don't support antifa or any hate group but there are some disturbing differences imo on how they are reported on or handled especially by the left. I also abhor the fact that neo-nazi white supremacy groups get lumped in with conservatives, they are extremist and have nothing to do with conservative values.

With that said, if any of these white supremacy hate groups attempted what antifa has actually been able to pull off in Portland, and other places to a lesser degree, there isn't a single city that would give their LEO agencies stand down orders. Maybe these orders haven't been given directly but they certainly aren't holding them accountable for not responding but if it were the other way around, police chief's heads would roll. There is clearly a double standard and both groups should be held accountable for their actions and put out of business as soon as violence erupts.
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To add to this and with a little more local flare (from a NC stand point), the issue of confederate statues being defaced and eventually destroyed in several locations here but specifically Durham and then the most infamous one at Chapel Hill. I have no issue with voicing your opinion, you have a constitutional right to peaceably assemble and petition the government but you don't have a right to take matters into your on hands. Don't like the laws, then protest peaceably, petition the government, conduct grassroots efforts to elect those that you wish to have in office to change those laws..... I have no issue with that. But antifa was much involved in the destruction of the statues, several were arrested but never convicted, as if because their cause justified their actions... this is a horrible and scary road to be traveling down.
 
As someone who has somewhat followed and researched people like Gavin McInness(Proud Boys founder/leader), I wouldn't call him and his group outright white supremacists/anti-semites. Borderline far-right, sure but they don't even preach any kind of racial rhetoric, let alone white supremacy.

That is not a defense of them, just my opinion on what the are.
 
SimeonNC said:
As someone who has somewhat followed and researched people like Gavin McInness(Proud Boys founder/leader), I wouldn't call him and his group outright white supremacists/anti-semites. Borderline far-right, sure but they don't even preach any kind of racial rhetoric, let alone white supremacy.

That is not a defense of them, just my opinion on what the are.
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I agree


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NoSnowATL said:
Nothing, I feel the same way about voter ID.


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Judges legislating from the bench again. NC voters passed voter ID law last election only for a judge to overturn it. Liberal judges have no clue what a government of the people, by the people and for the people means, well yes they do.... silly me they fear the people therefore they must control the people.

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SimeonNC said:
As someone who has somewhat followed and researched people like Gavin McInness(Proud Boys founder/leader), I wouldn't call him and his group outright white supremacists/anti-semites. Borderline far-right, sure but they don't even preach any kind of racial rhetoric, let alone white supremacy.

That is not a defense of them, just my opinion on what the are.
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I don't mean to get all trix here, but former Proud Boys leader McInness and the Proud Boys org. are disgusting, hateful trash. Some of this is based on behind the scenes evidence. Don't be fooled:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/proud-boys
 
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metwannabe said:
To add to this and with a little more local flare (from a NC stand point), the issue of confederate statues being defaced and eventually destroyed in several locations here but specifically Durham and then the most infamous one at Chapel Hill. I have no issue with voicing your opinion, you have a constitutional right to peaceably assemble and petition the government but you don't have a right to take matters into your on hands. Don't like the laws, then protest peaceably, petition the government, conduct grassroots efforts to elect those that you wish to have in office to change those laws..... I have no issue with that. But antifa was much involved in the destruction of the statues, several were arrested but never convicted, as if because their cause justified their actions... this is a horrible and scary road to be traveling down.
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This is the path of communism; two sets of rules. One for the political elite and their thugs and another set for everyone else. Our country is heading down that path and it’s pretty scary.
 
And here’s a great example. If you haven’t seen the mini AOC videos I would encourage you to look them up. They are pretty funny and clean. Well, apparently it’s not okay to do this to someone on the left because she is getting death threats now.

"The Left's Harassment and death threats have gone too far for our family. We have been getting calls on our personal phone numbers," Martinez's stepfather Salvatore Schachter tweeted. "For our safety and for our child's safety, we deleted all Mini AOC accounts."
 
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