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Rosie said:
Why do you bring up Hillary? Only talking about the orange one. Actually he is benefiting from many things Obama started and no, my wallet is no fuller and the environment is going to suffer due to him and his cronies.
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Really most politicians are dirty and lie a lot. It's the choice of political bias to point out those lies constantly and use them as dirt even if the lies mean nothing. Look back and Bill Clinton and his situation as a perfect example of how the dems even have their corruption and lying. Not everyone is corrupt but still you can't say just Trump is lying and not look at what the other past presidents have said and not point them out as well.
 
We are at a breaking point as a country. You heard it here first.. I promise this will all come out in the next 3 months and things will be totally different. Democrats have dug a grave too deep to recover now. This is not about political parties this is about right versus wrong and lies versus truth
 
All these clowns are shady and really don't understand the situation of regular Americans. How could they? The tenticles of corruption extend far deeper than any of us likely know. Even if you classify Trump as an outsider with his fist raised against the system, he's still just one person, who will likely see just one term. I don't know...but I don't see red vs blue anymore. It's all a show. I mean, sure, there are some social issue differences, but these hot potatoes just get tossed round and round and used as a wedge to keep us focused on each other, as they take power, wealth, and freedom away, bit by bit by bit.
 
That second amendment exists for the people to revolt if the government no longer serves its purpose and freedoms are restricted. I don’t know if we are at that point yet.
 
I usually don't talk about politics since it's all just a show to keep us separate and not unite against their evil agenda. The cabal keep pushing the same thing and think we won't ever question anything they do. Can someone explain how one guy knew how the gun control push and shootings would happen years before this was even a news story? Check out the quote below from Behold a Pale Horse in 1991. Well before any school shootings took place.

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I sincerely hope this impeachment lights a fire under Trump and the right-wing movement in general. At this point the left-wing powers that be and a lot of their supporters are incensed and it is time for the right to be as well.

In all honestly Trump should go all out and start issuing executive orders on the issues he talked about again like he did back in January 2017.
 
SimeonNC said:
I sincerely hope this impeachment lights a fire under Trump and the right-wing movement in general. At this point the left-wing powers that be and a lot of their supporters are incensed and it is time for the right to be as well.

In all honestly Trump should go all out and start issuing executive orders on the issues he talked about again like he did back in January 2017.
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I'd just be careful with the executive orders. While the Constitution gives the President executive powers and the use of executive orders to a degree, it's not the end all be all and certainly can lead to dangerous implications down the road. I'm not saying he shouldn't use some executive orders but every time he does so it gives the left ammunition to use them when/if they are in office, especially those who have said they will utilize exec orders to ban certain firearms. Plus executive orders are basically only good while the current Pres is in office, the next one will no doubt use those executive powers to overturn them.

What we truly need are congressional members with some backbone, that will represent the people as they have been elected to do and actually listen to the people instead of following their own selfish desires. IF we had that then congress would act and no president could just march in and change laws on a whim. Of course we have a better chance of a board wide blizzard with 4 foot snow drifts
 
This is the world we live in today. Tell me how is this right, how is this good for anyone, can no one do anything anymore without it becoming political, without the PC mob attacking like the vultures they are...... do we really think this is the right path to be traveling down??

 
metwannabe said:
I'd just be careful with the executive orders. While the Constitution gives the President executive powers and the use of executive orders to a degree, it's not the end all be all and certainly can lead to dangerous implications down the road. I'm not saying he shouldn't use some executive orders but every time he does so it gives the left ammunition to use them when/if they are in office, especially those who have said they will utilize exec orders to ban certain firearms. Plus executive orders are basically only good while the current Pres is in office, the next one will no doubt use those executive powers to overturn them.

What we truly need are congressional members with some backbone, that will represent the people as they have been elected to do and actually listen to the people instead of following their own selfish desires. IF we had that then congress would act and no president could just march in and change laws on a whim. Of course we have a better chance of a board wide blizzard with 4 foot snow drifts
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I agree because Trump issuing more executive orders would make him a hypocrite as he criticized Obama for doing the same thing, issuing too many executive orders. Sort of like his criticism of Obama playing too much golf. There’s no question Trump is a hypocrite about the golf. Does anyone disagree?

And so this is why I despise most political discussions. Hypocrites on both sides typically. Too much tribalism.
 
GaWx said:
I agree because Trump issuing more executive orders would make him a hypocrite as he criticized Obama for doing the same thing, issuing too many executive orders. Sort of like his criticism of Obama playing too much golf. There’s no question Trump is a hypocrite about the golf. Does anyone disagree?

And so this is why I despise most political discussions. Hypocrites on both sides typically. Too much tribalism.
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The vast majority of politicians are liars and hypocrites, you'll get no argument from me on that but as Kasey Dillon stated on twitter last week "I'll vote for Trump, I wouldn't be his friend but I'll vote for him." The lesser of 2 evils scenario is very real and when it comes to that I'll go with the one whose policies most closely align with my beliefs. I understand why it's a deterrent to political discussion and more troubling a deterrent to getting involved but these liars and hypocrites write the laws by which we must live, set our taxes and unfortunately have a profound effect on our lives whether we take part in the discussion, get involved or not. It's why I don't shy away from it and I will discuss it even in all it's ugly stages to take a stand for what I believe and cast a vote every time the polls are open. It's just too important not to.

Sorry mini rampage over Lol....
 
metwannabe said:
This is the world we live in today. Tell me how is this right, how is this good for anyone, can no one do anything anymore without it becoming political, without the PC mob attacking like the vultures they are...... do we really think this is the right path to be traveling down??

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It really is disgusting that people go and target tweets almost a decade ago and use it to tear down someone's life. It's a tweet which is of no more value than a random thing someone says. If they don't align to that at this moment then there is nothing to be worried about, not using it to defame someone and make them look like a horrible person.
 
Why on earth would world leaders around want to have candid conversations with the POTUS, knowing full well there is the potential that, not only someone is listening, but that the details of said conversation will be leaked for all to here?! These are stupid scary times we live in.

Wars have started for lesser reasons, releasing a transcript of a phone call is dangerous
 
metwannabe said:
Why on earth would world leaders around want to have candid conversations with the POTUS, knowing full well there is the potential that, not only someone is listening, but that the details of said conversation will be leaked for all to here?! These are stupid scary times we live in.

Wars have started for lesser reasons, releasing a transcript of a phone call is dangerous
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Also if I were a betting man, I'd wager a month's salary that 80% or more will not take the time to actually read the memo and an even higher percentage of those that are screaming impeachment won't read it in it's entirety. They will take a couple of statements out of context and run with it
 
Rain Cold said:
All these clowns are shady and really don't understand the situation of regular Americans. How could they? The tenticles of corruption extend far deeper than any of us likely know. Even if you classify Trump as an outsider with his fist raised against the system, he's still just one person, who will likely see just one term. I don't know...but I don't see red vs blue anymore. It's all a show. I mean, sure, there are some social issue differences, but these hot potatoes just get tossed round and round and used as a wedge to keep us focused on each other, as they take power, wealth, and freedom away, bit by bit by bit.
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A little show called House of Cards taught me a lot about American politics. Sure, it's just a television show, but it really made me aware of all the grandstanding politicians do and have done for a loooong time now. I loathe Trump with every fiber of my being but the left makes it hard for me to even go vote in 2020. Everything and everyone is a joke and I don't want to play this game.
 
Arcc said:
Listening to Polosi’s news conference, with all her certain absolutes they should impeach today.

I’m really trying to understand their logic impeaching right before the election. The only real logic I can understand is they know they will probably lose so might as well start to muddy the second term.
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This is actually why she's taken so long on actually moving forward on this. Attempt impeachment and fail, and you most likely lose 2020 because of just how plain bad it all looks on dems. That's a chance she didn't want to take for a while and I guess now she thinks if she doesn't move forward she'll lose D voters.
 
Rain Cold said:
All these clowns are shady and really don't understand the situation of regular Americans. How could they? The tenticles of corruption extend far deeper than any of us likely know. Even if you classify Trump as an outsider with his fist raised against the system, he's still just one person, who will likely see just one term. I don't know...but I don't see red vs blue anymore. It's all a show. I mean, sure, there are some social issue differences, but these hot potatoes just get tossed round and round and used as a wedge to keep us focused on each other, as they take power, wealth, and freedom away, bit by bit by bit.
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I actually could see this as collusion between Trump and the Dems to nuke Biden. Clearly the socialists have been introduced on the main stage now and while it’s not palatable yet to most, by 2024 it will be out there and no longer a fringe idea. Then with a fresh face behind it and less people scared of it, you have a much better chance at getting the votes.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump gets the election, goes completely lame duck which allows a socialist to be elected in 2024.
 
Fountainguy97 said:
This could use its own thread but have you guys seen Greta Thunberg’s speech today?

here is a snippet. “People are suffering. People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction...”

you can watch it here.

here is a promoted tweet I’ve seen for a couple days. What a joke. Somehow we went from a couple degrees of warming to “we are all dead in 12 years”

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excuse me but last time I checked we are no where near a “mass extinction.” I mean how can a teenager get by spewing this propaganda to our world leaders? It is simply astounding at the fear mongering that is associated with climate change.

It is a shame because politics has ruined science. Science is not even close to the original design it was used for. Now it’s an agenda filling hole.

We are openly selling lies of “mass extinction” and other absolutely absurd suggestions to get an agenda across. And people somehow cheer nonsense like this on because they fear going against the grain and being called a racist or denier or whatever the term of the day is.

Show me one ecosystem in “full” collapse. Show me the MASS extinction. Or even just a normal extinction. I’ll wait.


I’m all for taking care of our planet but forcing radical change in this way? That’s not how it works.
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What Liberal Media Did Not Tell You: Screaming Green Teen Greta Thunberg Linked to Antifa Terrorists – Recorded Song for Antifa-Supporting Org
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Arcc said:
I actually could see this as collusion between Trump and the Dems to nuke Biden. Clearly the socialists have been introduced on the main stage now and while it’s not palatable yet to most, by 2024 it will be out there and no longer a fringe idea. Then with a fresh face behind it and less people scared of it, you have a much better chance at getting the votes.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump gets the election, goes completely lame duck which allows a socialist to be elected in 2024.
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Amicable divorce of a nation needs to occur before the socialist is elected
 
Arcc said:
I actually could see this as collusion between Trump and the Dems to nuke Biden. Clearly the socialists have been introduced on the main stage now and while it’s not palatable yet to most, by 2024 it will be out there and no longer a fringe idea. Then with a fresh face behind it and less people scared of it, you have a much better chance at getting the votes.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump gets the election, goes completely lame duck which allows a socialist to be elected in 2024.
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Really I'd worry about the looming crash of the market. It's inevitable in the next 5 years due to economic signals as well as historic timing, so the next presidential term holder will have to manage that. Put trump back in and it won't go so well I feel since a dip in the market will only get worse unless he does something unexpected from a right winged perspective. However if you put an extreme leftist in, the market will probably plunge and take the economy with it due to a massive economic shift until a massive amount of spending levels it out. If we get someone who isn't so extreme maybe it won't be so bad, but that's very unlikely. I don't like the way the country is heading politically at all right now. Unfortunately the next economic downturn is probably going to be a big push for socialist programs because misguided young voters will turn to whatever helps them survive.
 
ForsythSnow said:
That's from a pretty far right source, and sounds conspiracy-level, so I don't buy it. I advise getting multiple less-extreme sources to fact check this.
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This site pretty right. No denying that. Read the article and the provided links. Below is her tweet wearing an Antifa Shirt. (She has since deleted) Oh, she tags #EXTINCTIONREBELLION which a dangerous group wanting MASS human deaths to save the planet.
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EV_WS said:
This site pretty right. No denying that. Read the article and the provided links. Below is her tweet wearing an Antifa Shirt. (She has since deleted) Oh, she tags #EXTINCTIONREBELLION which a dangerous group wanting MASS human deaths to save the planet.
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While the image is true, she stated she does not align herself with Antifa at all. She doesn't support fascists, but she's against their violent ways of spreading their message. Here's her tweet responding to it. The tag is a bit more questionable and she likely doesn't know what she's talking about tagging it. I don't support her, but I also don't support heavily biased news in either direction. It creates more problems than it solves.
 
ForsythSnow said:
While the image is true, she stated she does not align herself with Antifa at all. She doesn't support fascists, but she's against their violent ways of spreading their message. Here's her tweet responding to it. The tag is a bit more questionable and she likely doesn't know what she's talking about tagging it. I don't support her, but I also don't support heavily biased news in either direction. It creates more problems than it solves.
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So....... After backlash all she has to do is delete Tweet and issue an explanation the next day. Now she's free and clear?
I'm not buying it. She made the decision to wear the "borrowed" T-shirt.
BTW Forsyth, this is nothing personal just a discussion. ;)
 
I am amazed and ashamed at the status of our government..... Trying to impeach a president for wanting the people to know the truth. The American people are tired of continual democratic witch-hunts. All of this will come to a head soon and there will be many political casualties. If the democrats fail (which I think they will), it will pave the way for a Trump landslide in 2020. These are certainly interesting times we are living in....
 
EV_WS said:
So....... After backlash all she has to do is delete Tweet and issue an explanation the next day. Now she's free and clear?
I'm not buying it. She made the decision to wear the "borrowed" T-shirt.
BTW Forsyth, this is nothing personal just a discussion. ;)
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Yeah sounds like she was "coached" on how to walk back a tweet.
 
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