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Wintry Nov 30-Dec 1 Flurries/Snow Showers

Dewpoint Dan said:
I am ok with cold without snow in December. It kind of sets the mood for Christmas. But come January I want it to be snowing if it's cold.
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I can relate somewhat. I surely dont want 70s for the holiday's. However lows in the low to mid 20s and no snow to track sucks anytime. Give me 30s at night and mid 50s and it feels like Christmas.
 
RainlessSnowless & Grumpy said:
Its a furnace in Canada. Mid 20s at 7am. That massive PNA ridge may look pretty but it ain't gonna get it done. It needs to move west some, get taller and we need EPO help to get snow. Sure we're below average. But maybe I'm the minority but I say screw cold with no shot of snow.
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There's a higher correlation of +PNA with snow than -EPO with snow in Atlanta at least (I've thoroughly checked the daily stats via several hours of research) because a lot of times the -EPO block allows for the SER to take over since it can be 1500-2000 miles west (30 degrees longitude) of the +PNA block.

There's never a time I don't want it colder than normal in the SE, especially because now it is rare. I almost never have even a shot at snow. I just like it colder than normal in the SE at all times of year. If I lived up north, I may very feel differently.
 
Dewpoint Dan said:
It does seem like the further east you go in the south the harder it is to get snow at low latitudes. Seems easier to get snow deep into TX for instance than it is to get snow in South GA.
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That is particularly true over the last several years, and imo is EPO-driven. If we ever get blocking again, then winter weather in the SE will be much easier to come by.
 
GaWx said:
There's a higher correlation of +PNA with snow than -EPO with snow in Atlanta at least (I've thoroughly checked the daily stats via several hours of research) because a lot of times the -EPO block allows for the SER to take over since it can be 1500-2000 miles west (30 degrees longitude) of the +PNA block.

There's never a time I don't want it colder than normal in the SE, especially because now it is rare. I almost never have even a shot at snow. I just like it colder than normal in the SE at all times of year. If I lived up north, I may very feel differently.
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I certainly believe you with the PNA. This particular time though won't cut it. Could be lack of sea ice and not enough cold has built up. Or its not you traditional +PNA. Not really sure what that is when Canada is just one gigantic block.
 
I spent 45 years in the Columbia area. And yeah, the Atlantic ocean with the Gulf stream just off the coast and the pretty much permanent ridge around Bermuda plus downsloping winds from the App mountains makes snow in Columbia extremely rare. And it's only around 200 feet above sea level.
 
SWVAwxfan said:
I spent 45 years in the Columbia area. And yeah, the Atlantic ocean with the Gulf stream just off the coast and the pretty much permanent ridge around Bermuda plus downsloping winds from the App mountains makes snow in Columbia extremely rare. And it's only around 200 feet above sea level.
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Honestly for a snow lover it has to be pure torture living in Columbia. Why would anyone torture themselves like that ? Constantly getting teased. Might as well live in a place like Gainesville, FL where you know for sure it will never snow and you will never get teased. And to make matters worse, Columbia is the most miserable place in the entire south to be in the summer.
 
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Stephenb888 said:
I’m confused. I’m seeing posts saying the models look bad and it won’t be cold enough. Wasn’t the forecast supposed to be really cold beginning of December just days ago?
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Pretty much look at where people are posting from..for some its not bad. For upstate sc it ain't happening
 
iGRXY said:
That 2nd wave is our storm and is very much in play her. We have a wave showing up and CAD showing up. That’s all you can ask.
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Well there time for it to come together. The players are there. If this doesn’t work though hopefully the pattern will repeat for Christmas


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Dewpoint Dan said:
Honestly for a snow lover it has to be pure torture living in Columbia. Why would anyone torture themselves like that ? Constantly getting teased. Might as well live in a place like Gainesville, FL where you know for sure it will never snow and you will never get teased. And to make matters worse, Columbia is the most miserable place in the entire south to be in the summer.
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Nails it, I’ve lived here all my life, and for a person passionate about the weather, especially winter weather, it’s torture. Jan 2018 was a soul crusher watching areas to the SE get it then two weeks later getting warm nosed. Anyways, I’ll get off my soap box. Lol
 
Robert West said:
Nails it, I’ve lived here all my life, and for a person passionate about the weather, especially winter weather, it’s torture. Jan 2018 was a soul crusher watching areas to the SE get it then two weeks later getting warm nosed. Anyways, I’ll get off my soap box. Lol
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I honestly hope you get buried with snow this winter. I feel bad for you.
 
18z gfs isn't even close.

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RainlessSnowless & Grumpy said:
I certainly believe you with the PNA. This particular time though won't cut it. Could be lack of sea ice and not enough cold has built up. Or its not you traditional +PNA. Not really sure what that is when Canada is just one gigantic block.
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The sea ice is way behind so yeah that doesn’t help


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BHS1975 said:
The sea ice is way behind so yeah that doesn’t help


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Pretty pitiful.

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So I’m gonna go ahead and assume it’s not snowing in upstate Sc anytime soon lol. It was a fun thought while it lasted.
 
BHS1975 said:
Pretty pitiful.

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Who cares? A ULL will create its own cold air like a miracle and rates will overcome all! It doesn't matter if it's above freezing in the Hudson Bay!

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On a serious note, I don't see a lot to get excited about outside the mountains right now. At least it's finally going to feel like winter, which is a welcome change. Our chances of scoring a storm in early December are historically pretty low, anyways, so one can't really be disappointed. Now, once late February rolls around and we're still searching for our first inch, it's time to panic.
 
Yeah imo the chances of getting something is getting slimmer and slimmer, we’re just Honestly gonna have to wait and see if we can indeed get a -EPO cold blast and wave timed right, +PNA right now will deliver cold but it’s just so marginal given it’s early December and the root of the cold from a +PNA isn’t that cold right now, gotta remember to sometimes with -EPOs we combat the SE ridge
 
superjames1992 said:
Who cares? A ULL will create its own cold air like a miracle and rates will overcome all! It doesn't matter if it's above freezing in the Hudson Bay!

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On a serious note, I don't see a lot to get excited about outside the mountains right now. At least it's finally going to feel like winter, which is a welcome change. Our chances of scoring a storm in early December are historically pretty low, anyways, so one can't really be disappointed. Now, once late February rolls around and we're still searching for our first inch, it's time to panic.
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Tbh I think 2017/18 spoiled some into thinking early December was one of the most favorable windows for a winter storm when it is really not historically. Most of the SE US averages less than an inch of snow in December, which means that snowless Decembers are more common than getting a big dog.
 
CyclonicFury said:
Tbh I think 2017/18 spoiled some into thinking early December was one of the most favorable windows for a winter storm when it is really not historically. Most of the SE US averages less than an inch of snow in December, which means that snowless Decembers are more common than getting a big dog.
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For Atlanta, December and February are equal. Atlanta averages about 0.4" in both of those months. Atlanta actually averages more in March than either February or December. Chattanooga also averages more snow in March than in February or December. Also, Birmingham averages more snow in April than in February which is interesting. I'm getting this info from wikipedia.
 
Dewpoint Dan said:
For Atlanta, December and February are equal. Atlanta averages about 0.4" in both of those months. Atlanta actually averages more in March than either February or December. Chattanooga also averages more snow in March than in February or December. Also, Birmingham averages more snow in April than in February which is interesting. I'm getting this info from wikipedia.
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More in April than February ? That box on Wikipedia has to be messed up as for Atlanta getting more sow in March than February ... that sounds like it’s skewed . Median snowfall in March would have to be lower . One way to find out is to compare snow days versus the 2 months . Guarantee you February would be higher than March .
 
CyclonicFury said:
Tbh I think 2017/18 spoiled some into thinking early December was one of the most favorable windows for a winter storm when it is really not historically. Most of the SE US averages less than an inch of snow in December, which means that snowless Decembers are more common than getting a big dog.
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