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Pattern Marvelous March

20s and 30s showing up at the US Canada border towards the end of model runs now. Winter 2019 I hate to see you go but I love to watch you walk away
 
GEPS took a step in the right direction
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Yeah with a handful of members just off the coast..... are we the only one's actually still following this? Lol
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Yeah with a handful of members just off the coast..... are we the only one's actually still following this? Lol
No, I'm following too. I just don't have much to add. When a system is suppressed to the SE and you are 100 hours out, you are still in the game. Good trends with the 12z suite with regards to the west extension of the PV in Canada. My guess is it could still miss us and the MA, but swipe Boston and Nantucket. That seems to happen once a year.
 
Yeah with a handful of members just off the coast..... are we the only one's actually still following this? Lol

Nah I'm still keeping an eye on it, waiting for the GEPS maps to load on Meteocentre with precip. They should be out in about 40-50 mins if they come out on time, that way we can see if any of those close tracks actually bring qpf inland or not.
 
weird, eps took a seemingly better step by slowing down the L/W trough yet the LP position/low itself this run look more like crap
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weird, eps took a seemingly better step by slowing down the L/W trough yet the LP position/low itself this run look more like crap

Perhaps with the slowing down it's not an apples to apples comparison? Maybe the LP just takes a little longer to get going and shows up better at 102 or 108 vs the previous run? Hard to tell with 24 hour panels but that's my guess on it.
 
I really have found ensembles to be useless this year. I mean what are they really good for? You can see how many solutions are north vs south? Amp’d vs strung out? Cold vs hot? Ok. But what good are they when they change from run to run just like an operational model? I’ve been in the 5” snow mean inside 200hr 5 times this winter and I have an inch of sleet to show for it. Change my mind
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I couldn’t agree with you more. I’d have so much snow if the ensembles came even close to verifying. And the gfs is also useless and so far behind the euro. After showing some good improvements for a few runs the 12z gfs of course came in with its worse run yet and completely caved to the euro again.
 
It would be nice if the longwave trough could dig more aswell to help out overrunning
 
I really have found ensembles to be useless this year. I mean what are they really good for? You can see how many solutions are north vs south? Amp’d vs strung out? Cold vs hot? Ok. But what good are they when they change from run to run just like an operational model? I’ve been in the 5” snow mean inside 200hr 5 times this winter and I have an inch of sleet to show for it. Change my mind
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I couldn’t agree with you more. I’d have so much snow if the ensembles came even close to verifying. And the gfs is also useless and so far behind the euro. After showing some good improvements for a few runs the 12z gfs of course came in with its worse run yet and completely caved to the euro again.

The ensembles have been just as bad, if not worse, than the op runs this winter with showing snow that never happened.
 
The ensembles have been just as bad, if not worse, than the op runs this winter with showing snow that never happened.

I think the key with ensembles is they show a probability but not a guarantee of what can happen. They are also prone to being skewed one direction or another by a few big members. I find they are very useful inside 144 hours for snowfall threats and outside of that useful mainly for large-scale 5h changes/patterns but not snow. The OP runs have been pretty bad at days 6+ but solid inside the 5 day range.
 
That’s definitely not bad, gefs kinda similar aswell

Yeah not bad and an improvement over the previous GEPS run.. baby steps I guess. We are going to need a considerable shift and heavier qpf to have much of a chance though, the few mm's of precip the GEPS and GEFS members have would likely be light rain/sprinkles or maybe flurries if saturation is good... and even then BL temps may be too warm for the first few mm's of precip... Still a ways to go. I'd like to see the energy moving through trend stronger as well.
 
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