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Tropical Major Hurricane Harvey

BHS1975 said:
No but the water temperature and amount of water vapor available certainly is which will increase the odds of stronger storms and a weakening flow aloft which worsens flooding. And that's a stupid argument anyway because we have been altering the course of weather events ever since we put the first ounce of CO2 or any other green house gases in the atmosphere.


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Could there be anything more insensitive than having this debate right here, rioht now. There's a time and a place. There's also a time and place to just be human. Come on.

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BHS1975 said:
No but the water temperature and amount of water vapor available certainly is which will increase the odds of stronger storms and a weakening flow aloft which worsens flooding. And that's a stupid argument anyway because we have been altering the course of weather events ever since we put the first ounce of CO2 or any other green house gases in the atmosphere.


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Thanks Tipper
 
Storm5 said:
Omgd global warming didn't cause this hurricane get real . We have hurricanes every single year .


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You were right. Cue the blame the storm on global warming crowd :p. Yes, in reality, these storms just happen. It's sad, but they do happen. It's a rare event, and this amount of rain has happened before. In fact, if anyone screams global warming, they need to look at the last time this magnitude of an event occurred in that area, which was decades ago. If they wanted to try to make a case, we would have to have had an increased frequency in major landfalls that produce major flooding.
 
Please go away. Or take it to another forum. Not the place for that. Not now. Thanks.
 
ive lingered on and off this site for a long time but just joined the other day. I didn't join for a long time due to senseless banter. However, I felt like discussion leading up to Harvey was good quality. Please let's keep this thread clean and free of banter. Historic disaster taking place.
 
The river in Houston just broke the all time record last year for high levels and is going to break it again soon.


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Seriously what is this guy's problem. We have a disaster of cataclysmic proportions unfolding in Houston & we're more concerned about whether or not the water is covering the tops of interstate signs? For real, what tf is the difference between 18 & 25 feet of standing water, there comes a point where it doesnt really matter anymore, it's catastrophic flooding regardless...
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Webberweather53 said:
Seriously what is this guy's problem. We have a disaster of cataclysmic proportions unfolding in Houston & we're more concerned about whether or not the water is covering the tops of interstate signs? For real, what tf is the difference between 18 & 25 feet of standing water, there comes a point where it doesnt really matter anymore, it's catastrophic flooding regardless...
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Good grief. A flood is a flood. Who cares about perception. If it is covering the roads that much, it's extreme.
 
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Haven't been able to be as active and won't be for this fall because I'll be very busy, but I would like to drop in on this Sunday and (even though there are no Houston posters here), say how sorry I am to see the Houston flood, and I hope those affected are able to pull through it safely.

A flood is a flood, and it is a disaster no matter how you want to measure it.
 
Crazy totals on the HRRR and it wouldn't be shocking if they were underdone in some places. The moisture fetch right out of the gulf is insane
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SoutheastRidge said:
Well i guess you can tell the areas where tropical sytems are most likely to stall. The northeast and mid atlantic seems like it is much less likely to have a tropical system to stall for days.
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To an extent that's definitely true because the mid latitude westerlies are stronger the further N you get and they're above the axis of the mean subtropical high pressure centers unlike the southeastern US...
 
Anyone have updated storm total estimates? From what I'm hearing 4 feet plus? Crazy
 
It's hard to believe landfall was 36 hours ago and this storm is only 60 miles from the landfall point. Both of the 12z NAM runs look like they drift it far enough east to almost have it centered just north of the landfall point

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This is horrible and incredible at the same time. They had the amazing wind at first, and now the rain and tornadoes. So much rain, and so many tornado warnings. This may be the worst natural disaster ever for our country.
 
Brick Tamland said:
This is horrible and incredible at the same time. They had the amazing wind at first, and now the rain and tornadoes. So much rain, and so many tornado warnings. This may be the worst natural disaster ever for our country.
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I dont see how it could be worse than Katrina. Didnt thousands die in Katrina ?
 
IMO the way it could be "worse" than Katrina, is with the combination of onshore flow/surge blocking "runoff" and continued rain band blocking air evacs.. Houston could become totally cut off with water rise and many trapped in flood areas and no way to rescue.. That could lead to a tragic death toll. And Houston was really not "urged" to evacuate.
 
The gfs does no favors for Texas as it moves the remnants of Harvey toward Dallas and continues a southerly flow of moisture from the deep tropics into the area. It actually brings high pwats into a good part of the South by days 5-7

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