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Pattern Jammin January 2024

When JB talks about winter coming back in Feb and into March, it does mean a lot of snow, just not in the SE. Remember he focuses almost exclusively on the Mid Atlantic and NE in winter. I also think he may be on to something with the MJO becoming "stuck" longer in Feb rather rotate into 8
As I’ve said about some other posts about the MJO, go and look at the info Grit and Webb posted about the MJO back on 1/6. Phase 4-7 isn’t as bad as we’ve all thought in February, especially when it’s low amped like it looks to be.

Edit: those posts from Grit and Webb were made in the Winter Discussion Thread.
 
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Apparently the CFS didn't get the message how Fab Feb was gonna be. Getting the vibe the ole canonical Unicorn forecast I've been hearing hyped all winter, is gonna show up like a flat tire here in 2 weeks.
I just looked at the Weekly and Monthly that ran last night and they both still look really good.
 
I'm mildly intrigued with the late week system, one of these has to over perform right? I mean again it's just a slight difference here or there for some east of the apps to see a little snow
I can think of several examples of similar type "threats" in the day 3-4 range that wound up turning in to a solid 2-3 inch storm here. Many more that didn't pan out, but you can't discount it completely. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
 
I'm mildly intrigued with the late week system, one of these has to over perform right? I mean again it's just a slight difference here or there for some east of the apps to see a little snow
Well both the 6z GFS and ICON are continuing the trend of being a bit more moisture east of the mountains and EPS, GEPS, and GEFS moisture has increased as well. Soundings look like they would support snow with enough moisture from I-95 west in NC and back into the SC upstate. It should be noted that more moisture definitely made it into NC this morning than any model predicted
 
I'm mildly intrigued with the late week system, one of these has to over perform right? I mean again it's just a slight difference here or there for some east of the apps to see a little snow
Today gives me a lot higher confidence in Friday. I noticed on 6z gfs it has snow showers popping up in multiple locations, esp down east over a 12 hour span. It and the Icon have been consistent. Should be cold enough, where maybe some can get a trace to accumulate and get on scoreboard.
 
Today gives me a lot higher confidence in Friday. I noticed on 6z gfs it has snow showers popping up in multiple locations, esp down east over a 12 hour span. It and the Icon have been consistent. Should be cold enough, where maybe some can get a trace to accumulate and get on scoreboard.
Not getting my hopes up but Friday’s system has the looks of one of those that can start to bring some surprises once we get 36 hours out. The cold push looks for really good on both the GFS and ICON and it’s actually coming in more from the north instead of the west. Both the models and EPS, GEFS have and uptick in moisture and 850s look good.
 
Dang just read Alan Huffman update. 60s next week he would not be surprised if some 70s didn’t show up late next week, and as far as cold for February weeklies has warmed for weeks 3/4 so may be mid/late fab Feb before any cold air drops into the US. Fab Feb is a big ? now.


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Going to be some teeth gnashing that after the next few days winter on hiatus until mid-Feb. We have to get ourselves out of this mess to end January, that will take time. So yeah, let's hope/pray by mid-Feb we have a serviceable pattern. ?

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Going to be some teeth gnashing that after the next few days winter on hiatus until mid-Feb. We have to get ourselves out of this mess to end January, that will take time. So yeah, let's hope/pray by mid-Feb we have a serviceable pattern. ?

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At least by the end of the EPS and GEFS, they both agree the western ridge goes up and east trough goes down, but we got that glaring low in the bay. Better than the SER taking hold and staying with how persistent it always is.
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Going to be some teeth gnashing that after the next few days winter on hiatus until mid-Feb. We have to get ourselves out of this mess to end January, that will take time. So yeah, let's hope/pray by mid-Feb we have a serviceable pattern. ?

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That's not an end of January prog.

All 3 global ensembles show us going below normal around January 29/30th. By mid-february we will probably have cycled through another good pattern and heading back to a bad one.
 
Going to be some teeth gnashing that after the next few days winter on hiatus until mid-Feb. We have to get ourselves out of this mess to end January, that will take time. So yeah, let's hope/pray by mid-Feb we have a serviceable pattern. ?

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Looking at all the ensembles along with the weeklies, we actually get back into a better pattern fairly quickly after this. Even Webb has mentioned that he expects this milder period to last only a few days. Even in this frame you can see the western ridge starting to go up.
 
That's not an end of January prog.

All 3 global ensembles show us going below normal around January 29/30th. By mid-february we will probably have cycled through another good pattern and heading back to a bad one.

But like you said day 15+ isn't to be believed. What we do know is the last week of Jan isn't a great pattern unless you like warm/wet. The 2 weeks after that the MJO will be in phase 6-7...is that a good pattern for snow/cold?
 
Looking at all the ensembles along with the weeklies, we actually get back into a better pattern fairly quickly after this. Even Webb has mentioned that he expects this milder period to last only a few days. Even in this frame you can see the western ridge starting to go up.
Agreed. I'm thinking Feb 1-10th is going to our best chance all winter. Anecdotally, This has also been the best timeframe imby for the last 5 years or so.
 
Ya'll the mjo forecast 3-4 weeks out is basically just as un-reliable as using the 384hr GFS. No reason to panic. It's honestly not even worth looking at that far out.
Agreed. If it doesn't amp out like that in 6/7 at month's end but rather circles a little more tightly we get to 8 much much sooner.
 
I know @Webberweather53 said we'd be lucky to squeeze out anything in the Carolinas in Jan. Do you still feel good about Feb? Because, latest I've seen seems to indicate we punt at least until mid-month?
I’m not sure where you’re getting mid February from… especially from what Webb has been talking about. There’s really good ensemble agreement that we’re back in a favorable pattern to start the month… basically following the progression he’s talked about since late November
 
But like you said day 15+ isn't to be believed. What we do know is the last week of Jan isn't a great pattern unless you like warm/wet. The 2 weeks after that the MJO will be in phase 6-7...is that a good pattern for snow/cold
So the 3-4 week MJO is set in stone, but all 3 major global ensembles aren't to be believed around day 15?

Of course anything can happen, but there's no reason to be in the dumps about the first half of February, imo.
 
Think a lot of this is dependent on just how amped and strong that warm pattern becomes. The larger the longer it takes to break down.
 
So the 3-4 week MJO is set in stone, but all 3 major global ensembles aren't to be believed around day 15?

Of course anything can happen, but there's no reason to be in the dumps about the first half of February, imo.
I'm not in the dumps...I like warm and wet nino's. Don't you?

But if you believe day 15-16 global ensemble runs then why don't you believe day 15-16 global ensemble MJO runs?

Today's Euro run so shows amped phase 6 to end Jan....that ain't good.

But I get it, if we want to close our eyes and hope, that sounds fun too.

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So the 3-4 week MJO is set in stone, but all 3 major global ensembles aren't to be believed around day 15?

Of course anything can happen, but there's no reason to be in the dumps about the first half of February, imo.
The mjo has a myriad of solutions with a mean just like most anything else. Most all rotate it around as depicted. Some are more closer to the CoD. It may not take the guided mean route. I doubt it takes one much further out. If anything it will be a tighter rotation, but that prong at month's end is there. Just have to hope not so stark and pointed.
 
I'm not in the dumps...I like warm and wet nino's. Don't you?

But if you believe day 15-16 global ensemble runs then why don't you believe day 15-16 global ensemble MJO runs?

Today's Euro run so shows amped phase 6 to end Jan....that ain't good.

But I get, if we want to close our eyes and hope, that sounds fun too.

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That literally shows us entering phase 7 on January 27th, if you look at the time it took to go through phase 4,5,6 we would be entering phase 8 around February 2nd or 3rd. What am I missing?
 
I'm not in the dumps...I like warm and wet nino's. Don't you?

But if you believe day 15-16 global ensemble runs then why don't you believe day 15-16 global ensemble MJO runs?

Today's Euro run so shows amped phase 6 to end Jan....that ain't good.

But I get, if we want to close our eyes and hope, that sounds fun too.

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If you look at depictions from about the 17th/18th out to the 23rd you can see a tighter cluster running just inside the main general forecast area. If it leans more towards that cluster then by the 23rd you see a less amped pattern emerging. So from the 23rd onward projections can be just noise at the moment.
 
Does it really matter what phase the mjo is in anymore? Seriously, theres always an aurgument to handicap any posotive takeaways no matter what phase it is in. I dont even bother with it, it gets tiring. Never forecasted accurately, always an excuse well if we where in such an such pattern, or it was month x this would be good for SE, but because its xyz its not going to net the same result.
Just watch ensembles and use what your eyes show you pattern chasing. When i see a monster ridge going up the west coast up through western canada i get excited. Then fill in the pieces from there.
Now if one wants to dissect what makes that western ridge get so tall, go for it.
MJO chasing to me has become as fruitful as Judah Cohen snowcover chasing in the fall.
 
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