problem is the mjo has failed so many times this winter it's hard to get excited . Would be nice though. Maybe the models are not reacting to their own MJO forecasts , I don't know. something has to give
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problem is the mjo has failed so many times this winter it's hard to get excited . Would be nice though. Maybe the models are not reacting to their own MJO forecasts , I don't know. something has to give
+ groundhog, +JB, +NAVGEM = FailSo for those wanting winter weather you have the gfs and 4/5 gefs members vs the cmc,euro ,euro ensembles ........
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problem is the mjo has failed so many times this winter it's hard to get excited . Would be nice though. Maybe the models are not reacting to their own MJO forecasts , I don't know. something has to give
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Why do we use these indices if they have such a high failure rate? If I applied the same to the algorithms I use to treat patients, many would not feel better, some might die.
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Very well said.Because the various indices are tools rather than crystal balls. One needs to know how to use these tools. There are tendencies rather than absolutes associated with each and a combo of them is more useful to look at than just one index, alone.
Example: if you tell me that there will be -AO/-NAO/+PNA/-EPO/MJO low amplitude phase 8, it would be quite difficult for it not to be cold in the SE US.
I could be crazy, but the UKMET might be implying more separation of the second wave, a bit like GFS.
Cant tell much from it honestly. But here is what I have:Do you have a pic of it?
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Cant tell much from it honestly. But here is what I have:
On the GFS, the Highs are stronger nad pushing a bit harder.. but that 1004 Low there, slides under and South on the GFS on the next frame (after 144hr). We don't have past 144 hr on UKMET to see what's happening. The high being quite a bit weaker is never good though.
Very well said.
Exactly - back earlier this AM I posted the charts (I think it's post #36) which gives a good pictorial. Not only were we typing at the same time, we're in complete agreementThanks, Phil. You and I were pretty much typing the same thing at the same time.
By the way (I'm not trying to be overly optimistic but am trying to emphasize that we're far from a slam dunk as to what lies ahead for the SE even in the first half of this month), this morning's GEFS base forecasted AO (more negative at all 3 timeframes out 14 days), NAO (less positive all 3 timeframes), and the PNA (more positive all 3 timeframes) were all more favorable for SE cold chances throughout the 14 day forecast period fwiw. Regarding the AO, the 7 day forecasted -1.8 is actually the most -AO 7 day forecast since way back in early Nov!
I don't till 00z. 18z is happy hour , bombs awayTrue...I fully expect the GFS to lose this system on the 18z run...
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I don't till 00z. 18z is happy hour , bombs away
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