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Wintry Dec 8-10th Winter Storm

NWS GSP

LONG TERM /FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY/...
As of 350 AM Wednesday: Above normal confidence exists for a
significant winter storm across at least portions of the forecast
area this weekend and possibly lingering into early next week. This
is due to unusually good consistency between models and from run to
run really for several days now despite the storm system now pushing
into the southwest U.S. This has occurred in the past, especially
for unusually significant storms. This storm may fall in the unusual
significant category, especially across the mountains and foothills
as it seems to have all the necessary ingredients for a high impact
winter storm. This being said, below average confidence continues in
the exact forecast details and related potential impacts as
relatively minor shifts to the storm track or strength can lead to
significant changes where and how long wintry precip sets up.

High pressure will continue to nose into the Mid-Atlantic states
Friday night behind the cold front before wedging down east of the
mountains during the day Saturday, supporting colder and drier low
levels, ahead of this weekends storm system. The storm is expected
to slide along the Gulf of Mexico coastline Friday into Saturday
before turning the corner near the Southeast U.S. coastline by late
in the day Sunday. Increasing mid to high level clouds late Friday
night into Saturday will likely assist the CAD in locking in cold
temperatures with highs only in the 30s to around 40 or 15-20
degrees below normal. Increasing moist southerly flow enhanced by
isentropic lift up and over the established cold dome at the surface
will support increasing precip changes from the southwest through
the day. Saturday night into Sunday may be the most significant
precipitation of the storm as strong southeasterly 30 to 40 kt 850
mb winds originating from the Gulf of Mexico enhance moisture
transport. This flow is also perpendicular to the cold dome continue
to be supported by a 1030+ mb high to the north as well as the
perpendicular to the mountains which will enhance lift and therefore
precipitation intensity and totals across the region. Precipitation
types across the region is the most challenging aspect of this storm
as it appears areas along and northwest of I-85 will likely see at
least some wintry precip to the mountains which may experience
mostly snow and ice. Warmer air aloft (warm nose) may try to work
into the region with the heaviest precipitation Sunday into Sunday
evening leading to greater ice/rain potential at least briefly
across the region. The duration of precipitation types will be
critical as current liquid precipitation continues to fall in the 1-
2 inch range with uplope areas possibly seeing up to 3 inches. The
take home message is that were are potentially dealing with a
dangerous storm with significant snow and ice accumulation now
likely across the mountains and foothills and possible anywhere
along and northwest of I-85. Early estimates place a potential for
snowfall amounts in excess of 6 inches across the mountains and NC
foothills with ice accumulations possibly in excess of 1/2 of an
inch across NC foothills/piedmont, especially north of I-40. Now is
the time to put your winter weather plan together and prepare for
this potentially significant upcoming winter storm.

The low is expected to intensify fairly rapidly off and slow down or
stall off the NC/VA coast Monday guidance continues to show a
reinforcing short wave diving into the trough. This may support
enhancement of precipitation on the backside of the storm early next
week, leading to potentially additional wintry precip across the
region.


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NWS COLUMBIA .LONG TERM /FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY/...
The main concern during the medium-range period is a possibility
of a wintry precipitation mix.

Surface high pressure will extend from the Midwest into the mid-
Atlantic region over the weekend. this ridge of high pressure will
direct a cold northerly flow into the forecast area. Low pressure
along the western and central Gulf Coast Saturday will move
northeast and be off the Southeast Coast Sunday and Monday. The GFS
and ECMWF and most of the ensemble guidance exhibit this general
pattern but with enough inconsistency in the surface and upper
features for a low confidence precipitation-type forecast.

Moisture ahead of the Gulf Coast system will be moving into the
forecast area Friday night. The GFS and ECMWF show the significant
lift remaining west of the area through the night. The airmass will
be initially dry and it may take most of the night to saturate, so
have continued a chance for rain late Friday night. Forecast
soundings were consistent indicating liquid precipitation.

The moisture should become deep Saturday ahead of the Gulf
system. Isentropic lift will also be on the increase. The GFS
and ECMWF MOS have trended higher with likely or categorical
pops. The moisture will likely remain high through Monday.
However, there may be a mid-level dry slot which the models
have shown affecting the area mainly Sunday and Sunday night which
further complicates the forecast. The deterministic GFS and
ECMWF forecast soundings have generally indicated liquid
precipitation throughout the area Saturday and Saturday night
except the soundings indicate a rain and sleet mix in the
extreme north part Saturday night into Sunday then some warming
as the low nears the area. More cooling will likely occur as the
low shifts eastward and the cold upper system moves into the
area. We have forecasted a rain and snow mix in the northwest
part Sunday night and Monday.

A considerable number of GFS and ECMWF ensemble members support
periods of frozen precipitation in the north. Most but not all
members have liquid precipitation in the south. There have been
differences with respect to the development of a mid-level cut-
off low and in its position. A farther south track of a strong
upper system would indicate a threat of winter precipitation
even in the Central Savannah River Area. The threat in the south
should hold off longer and depend on the upper system Monday.

Based on the ensemble guidance at this time, we believe the
threat of significant winter precipitation during the Saturday
night to Monday time frame is about 40 percent in Lancaster
County in the north to just 5 to 10 percent farther south in the
Columbia to Augusta areas.

High temperatures will be in the 40s Saturday through Monday. The
storm system is expected to lift out of the area Monday night with
dry conditions returning Tuesday. Highs Tuesday will moderate into
the upper 40s and 50s.


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Here’s the EPS mean snowfall. Has a good amount of backside snow for some. This is the model I’d continue watching as it continues to back off snow totals...

The FV3 and GFS is a pipe dream, and I’m not just saying that — it has known ptype issues because it sleet contaminated, among other things like 6 hour dominate ptype masks that assume snow for a full 6 hours even if the ptype changes etc. Don’t believe it unless you’re in the NC mountains or foothills or NW triad.


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I have been following this thread but I don't post a lot because I prefer to soak up the information since I am just an amateur weather enthusiast, but some of the replies and negativity are comical. Someone is going to get a good winter storm. Just have fun tracking and let what happens happen. I just hate reading constant negative comments because someone is not getting a foot of snow.....or none at all. Sorry for the rant. Just a newbie perspective.
 
NWS COLUMBIA .LONG TERM /FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY/...
The main concern during the medium-range period is a possibility
of a wintry precipitation mix.

Surface high pressure will extend from the Midwest into the mid-
Atlantic region over the weekend. this ridge of high pressure will
direct a cold northerly flow into the forecast area. Low pressure
along the western and central Gulf Coast Saturday will move
northeast and be off the Southeast Coast Sunday and Monday. The GFS
and ECMWF and most of the ensemble guidance exhibit this general
pattern but with enough inconsistency in the surface and upper
features for a low confidence precipitation-type forecast.

Moisture ahead of the Gulf Coast system will be moving into the
forecast area Friday night. The GFS and ECMWF show the significant
lift remaining west of the area through the night. The airmass will
be initially dry and it may take most of the night to saturate, so
have continued a chance for rain late Friday night. Forecast
soundings were consistent indicating liquid precipitation.

The moisture should become deep Saturday ahead of the Gulf
system. Isentropic lift will also be on the increase. The GFS
and ECMWF MOS have trended higher with likely or categorical
pops. The moisture will likely remain high through Monday.
However, there may be a mid-level dry slot which the models
have shown affecting the area mainly Sunday and Sunday night which
further complicates the forecast. The deterministic GFS and
ECMWF forecast soundings have generally indicated liquid
precipitation throughout the area Saturday and Saturday night
except the soundings indicate a rain and sleet mix in the
extreme north part Saturday night into Sunday then some warming
as the low nears the area. More cooling will likely occur as the
low shifts eastward and the cold upper system moves into the
area. We have forecasted a rain and snow mix in the northwest
part Sunday night and Monday.

A considerable number of GFS and ECMWF ensemble members support
periods of frozen precipitation in the north. Most but not all
members have liquid precipitation in the south. There have been
differences with respect to the development of a mid-level cut-
off low and in its position. A farther south track of a strong
upper system would indicate a threat of winter precipitation
even in the Central Savannah River Area. The threat in the south
should hold off longer and depend on the upper system Monday.

Based on the ensemble guidance at this time, we believe the
threat of significant winter precipitation during the Saturday
night to Monday time frame is about 40 percent in Lancaster
County in the north to just 5 to 10 percent farther south in the
Columbia to Augusta areas.

High temperatures will be in the 40s Saturday through Monday. The
storm system is expected to lift out of the area Monday night with
dry conditions returning Tuesday. Highs Tuesday will moderate into
the upper 40s and 50s.


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North of I 85 I’m upstate sc must be looking good. If there hinting of snow in Columbia
 
UK had nice front end thump. So did the Op Euro, it showed the most snow yet for our areas.

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Yeah you can see the models starting to hint at an initial shot of precip well ahead of the system see the nam below. If we can get that into the area and it go to town and wetbulb the column this becomes a completely different system for us
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Yeah you can see the models starting to hint at an initial shot of precip well ahead of the system see the nam below. If we can get that into the area and it go to town and wetbulb the column this becomes a completely different system for us
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Here is the leading band going to town at noon sunday from the euro
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Yeah you can see the models starting to hint at an initial shot of precip well ahead of the system see the nam below. If we can get that into the area and it go to town and wetbulb the column this becomes a completely different system for us
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Yeah, looks like we will get a pretty good initial thumping of snow but just about every model is showing a lot of freezing rain for our area after that. Looks like the track has shifted SE enough to keep our precip as mainly frozen but I'm certainly not excited about any freezing rain. Ugh.
 
Yeah you can see the models starting to hint at an initial shot of precip well ahead of the system see the nam below. If we can get that into the area and it go to town and wetbulb the column this becomes a completely different system for us
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That would help lock in the CAD right?
 
Looks like Wake County is on the dividing line as usual. Just glad the potential is there for some winter mischief, and have to wait and see how it unfolds. Still have three days of model runs for changes, and I am sure there will be some back and forth.
 
NAM temp profiles are pretty big difference compared to both GFS/New GFS has parts of N. Alabama and N. Georgia about 3-4 degrees colder on average and NC is right in the sweet spot already on temps at 84 before storm... Going to be interesting downstream for all parties does the NAM nail the CAD strength, does it show more or less WAA, and does it show the ull and how far south does that come if so. The Carolina kids are looking pretty stable right now but the rest of the south is touch and go.

PS. The NAM did nail last year system in this time frame when all was said and done so we shall see perhaps this is her calendar sweet spot on holding storms/temps
 
Yeah you can see the models starting to hint at an initial shot of precip well ahead of the system see the nam below. If we can get that into the area and it go to town and wetbulb the column this becomes a completely different system for us
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If the “ finger” or leading band is rain, like ALL models are showing, IMBY, I guess we are truly screwed! Let me tell you about winter events that start as rain....
 
That would help lock in the CAD right?
Yes it would. Plus, in my experience with winter storms if they start out better/earlier than expected they tend to overperform. If you wake up in the morning and the precip is still to your west, it’s going to be a dud.
 
If the “ finger” or leading band is rain, like ALL models are showing, IMBY, I guess we are truly screwed! Let me tell you about winter events that start as rain....
I wouldn't be shocked if many start as rain. Wet bulbing will be very key

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