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Rain Cold said:
One thing that supports the fact that this hasn't been here for months is that the case pattern is following the same trajectory in both growth and epidemiology of most other patterns observed in other countries to date.

What I mean is that most of the first cases observed can be sourced to a remote location where the virus was widespread. Little by little, they become untraceable. This is either a massive coincidence, a massive farce and cover-up, or it's the natural progression of a disease that's just getting established and rapidly expanding.
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Well unless something new about the first case of community spread was confirmed on February 28th.

www.google.com

The CDC has changed its criteria for testing patients for coronavirus after the first case of unknown origin was confirmed

For the first time, a US patient has contracted novel coronavirus with no clue as to where it came from. Now officials say more testing kits will be on the way.
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If I remember right, another article said she had had symptoms for ten days before they confirmed. So it's safe to say she started symptoms on the 18th. Give five days for incubation, givers us the infection date of February 12-13. While it may be fetched to say December, it's not really for late January. One asymptomatic or light symptom carrier could have got it there.

Now if Ive missed something, please let me know because Im prone to miss an updated article.
 
Arcc said:
We had something go through us about two-three weeks ago. It was like a severe cold, that brought fatigue and at the end a day or so of tightness in our chests. We never felt horrible, but just that way you feel right before the flu sets in, yet it never did. My wife and I are also sure we ran a low grade fever.

Even though I have allergies and they can get me coughing, but that or with the flu I've never had that tightness in my chest.
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Oddly, I've experienced tightness in my chest before as well. But it was a few years ago. Since it wasn't something I was used to, for a short period I was scared to death. My dad and grandma (we were at her house) had to talk me out of the ER/urgent care.

It was so weird, it started out like gas, but then it felt like a 50 pound weight on my chest after we went swimming (I wanted to just act normally).

Had it for one or two more days after that, then it was gone. No symptoms other than that. Very strange. Other than the chest symptoms, I was fine, but it had upset me initially as it was not normal for me.

We blamed it on a chest cold, now I'm beginning to wonder if I had caught something "different" that my body managed to fight off quickly, even years back.
 
Yellow Snow said:
One of the things that made the Spanish flu pandemic so unique is that it was "atypically fatal to those aged 20–40 years". In Canada and the US, mortality peaked at age 28.

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Age-Specific Mortality During the 1918 Influenza Pandemic: Unravelling the Mystery of High Young Adult Mortality

The worldwide spread of a novel influenza A (H1N1) virus in 2009 showed that influenza remains a significant health threat, even for individuals in the prime of life. This paper focuses on the unusually high young adult mortality observed during the Spanish ...
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Thanks for alluding to this paper:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3734171/#pone.0069586-Ahmed1

I learned a lot in reading this and found it very interesting how epidemics/pandemics have the capability to permeate across spans of time that are practically infinitely larger than the amount of time one's exposed to or infected by said virus.

One conclusion I drew after reading this was basically the exposure of very young individuals to the 1889-90 Russian epidemic set them up for failure a few decades later when the 1918 Spanish flu rolled around because it greatly impacted the types of viruses their immune systems were most adept to handling (which were apparently very dissimilar to the Spanish flu) and the severity with which they responded to them, wherein their immune systems overcompensated by overzealously responding to the 1918 virus, doing more harm than good to their bodies, and ultimately killing people with good immune systems more frequently.

These snippets from the linked paper were very intriguing to me wrt how preceding epidemics (even from decades-centuries ago) modulate "t-cell dysregulation" of those directly impacted by the virus or subsequent generations when specific genetic mutations are passed on and ultimately have a major influence on the susceptibility of a subset of the population to a given strain of virus.

"Historical studies of epidemics often report increased adult mortality and morbidity among those who were born at a time of an epidemic. Almond [52] found that exposure to the 1918 influenza virus in late stages of fetal development was associated with higher adult cardiovascular disease prevalence later in the 20th century."

"In 18th–19th century Sweden, individuals born during years of smallpox and whooping cough epidemics had an increased risk of death after age 50"

In all honesty, the accounts of the 1889-90 Russian epidemic (which spread all over North America in 1890) eerily similar in many ways to CoV granted the strains of virus(es) almost certainly have little in common.
 
Churches should shut down. The ones that don’t show they are all about the money. Shouldn’t be greed in church
 
Arcc said:
Well unless something new about the first case of community spread was confirmed on February 28th.

www.google.com

The CDC has changed its criteria for testing patients for coronavirus after the first case of unknown origin was confirmed

For the first time, a US patient has contracted novel coronavirus with no clue as to where it came from. Now officials say more testing kits will be on the way.
www.google.com www.google.com

If I remember right, another article said she had had symptoms for ten days before they confirmed. So it's safe to say she started symptoms on the 18th. Give five days for incubation, givers us the infection date of February 12-13. While it may be fetched to say December, it's not really for late January. One asymptomatic or light symptom carrier could have got it there.

Now if Ive missed something, please let me know because Im prone to miss an updated article.
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I believe first US death was Feb 12 or 13th
 
Heelyes said:
Georgia has more cases than Michigan
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Note that until a few days ago, ATL area temps had averaged the prior few weeks within the 5-11 C range, which is the preferred range to spread the virus per the paper @Jon linked us to today. In contrast, Michigan until the last few days had temps averaging well below 5C. Perhaps that has been a major factor? If so, Michigan may (though hopefully not) see much larger increases the next few weeks. Or it could easily be just a coincidence and due to many other factors.

Edit: One of those other factors is liable to be that most GA cases are in the rather densely populated ATL metro. Or maybe it is simply because many more in ATL area have been tested?
 
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DustinWx said:
Because asymptotic people cause the issues. Read a few posts up about Massachusetts. Why should schools shut down and churches keep going?
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Schools are not shut down where I live. Not saying they won’t decide to shut down. But as of now no school closings.


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DustinWx said:
Churches should shut down. The ones that don’t show they are all about the money. Shouldn’t be greed in church
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We are gathering for church tomorrow and we are expecting way fewer than the 100 mandated by the state. This will likely be our last gathering for some time.

But it’s not about the money. Our folks give faithfully and they will continue to give via mail or online. We gather for important theological reasons that are too detailed to explain here.
 
Poimen said:
We are gathering for church tomorrow and we are expecting way fewer than the 100 mandated by the state. This will likely be our last gathering for some time.

But it’s not about the money. Our folks give faithfully and they will continue to give via either mail or online. We gather for important theological reasons that are too detailed to explain here.
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Not trying to start a religious debate. Sorry. But I think it’s selfish for large churches to stay open in my area given the news.
 
Webberweather53 said:
Thanks for alluding to this paper:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3734171/#pone.0069586-Ahmed1

I learned a lot in reading this and found it very interesting how epidemics/pandemics have the capability to permeate across spans of time that are practically infinitely larger than the amount of time one's exposed to or infected by said virus.

One conclusion I drew after reading this was basically the exposure of very young individuals to the 1889-90 Russian epidemic set them up for failure a few decades later when the 1918 Spanish flu rolled around because it greatly impacted the types of viruses their immune systems were most adept to handling (which were apparently very dissimilar to the Spanish flu) and the severity with which they responded to them, wherein their immune systems overcompensated by overzealously responding to the 1918 virus, doing more harm than good to their bodies, and ultimately killing people with good immune systems more frequently.

These snippets from the linked paper were very intriguing to me wrt how preceding epidemics (even from decades-centuries ago) modulate "t-cell dysregulation" of those directly impacted by the virus or subsequent generations when specific genetic mutations are passed on and ultimately have a major influence on the susceptibility of a subset of the population to a given strain of virus.
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Wow. I had looked up Spanish Flu awhile back but hadn't read anything about this previous 1889-90 epidemic. I knew there was a 2nd wave of Spanish Flu affecting young adults and that stronger immune system somehow made it worse. But I just assumed it was solely because of abnormal conditions from WW1. I need to read this article.

Also, I can't find much about what we did in the US to contain Spanish Flu. All I know is Wilson was president, and it didn't come from Spain. #propoganda
 
DustinWx said:
Not trying to start a religious debate. Sorry. But I think it’s selfish for large churches to stay open in my area given the news.
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I understand. Is there not a statewide ban in your state as in N.C.? Or is it a larger number?
 
Poimen said:
We are gathering for church tomorrow and we are expecting way fewer than the 100 mandated by the state. This will likely be our last gathering for some time.

But it’s not about the money. Our folks give faithfully and they will continue to give via either mail or online. We gather for important theological reasons that are too detailed to explain here.
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I encourage you to encourage whoever comes to leave as much room as possible between parties when seated. Also, smiles/nods/elbow bumps, etc. instead of handshakes, kisses, and hugs. If I were you, I’d post these things on all of the entrance doors and/or via emails. Perhaps you’ve already done all of this.
 
GaWx said:
I encourage you to encourage whoever comes to leave as much room as possible between parties when seated. Also, smiles/nods/elbow bumps, etc. instead of handshakes, kisses, and hugs. If I were you, I’d post these things on all of the entrance doors and/or via emails.
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Way ahead of you! Additionally, we are replacing the normal greeting time with a special time of prayer. We will also not “pass the plate”—people can give in a box or place their offerings in the plates as they enter/exit.

We have also told the elderly, those not feeling well, and those with underlying conditions to stay home.
 
NoSnowATL said:
I wonder how many of the under 50 smoke daily and how many have underlying health issues. France likes to smoke. Italy as well.


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It's also unbeknownst to most everyone in the US the impact vaping vs traditional smoking will have on how CoV-19 impacts the younger population in the US because vaping runs rampant in young adults here (can attest to this because all 3 of my college roommates vape :( ). Not to mention roughly 2/3rds of the US population is overweight or obese, and about a third of children are, these are about double the global average which is somewhat concerning given that weight is a risk factor when it comes to CoV-19
 
Webberweather53 said:
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We need to be careful on conclusions here. Half of the under 50 age is in critical condition, but isn't listed as among the deaths. This could be just a local anomaly.

Or it could be what we're fearing. A new strain in that particular part of the world. Let's hope that isn't the case.
 
Poimen said:
Way ahead of you! Additionally, we are replacing the normal greeting time with a special time of prayer. We will also not “pass the plate”—people can give in a box or place their offerings in the plates as they enter/exit.

We have also told the elderly, those not feeling well, and those with underlying conditions to stay home.
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Excellent! I just thought of something else. Would having a service with folks standing or sitting outside be a viable option?
 
My daughter, who's a Senior in HS, was sick about 3 weeks ago...Had the flu symptoms: high fever, headache, body aches, cough, etc...Took her to the doctor and she tested negative for strep and the flu (both A & B)…Doctor couldn't tell me what she had...She missed a full week of school...I'm wondering now if maybe she didn't have it

Edit: Now I'm hearing Pink Eye can develop with Coronavirus (only like 1-3% of the cases)...My daughter got Pink Eye at the end....Doctor said it had just "settled into her eye"...No big deal....I really think she did have it....She was pretty sick....Glad we kept her out of school for a full week
 
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Webberweather53 said:
It's also unbeknownst to most everyone in the US the impact vaping vs traditional smoking will have on how CoV-19 impacts the younger population in the US because vaping runs rampant in young adults here (can attest to this because all 3 of my college roommates vape :( ). Not to mention roughly 2/3rds of the US population is overweight or obese, and about a third of children are, these are about double the global average which is somewhat concerning given that weight is a risk factor when it comes to CoV-19
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Had a judge who was strong Baptist; never smoked a wiff or touched a drop in his life; died in his mid-50's of combined lung and liver cancer. Had a grandfather that started smoking at age 6 and God knows what he drank ... died at 86 when he fell out of the top of a pecan tree he's climbed (shimmied up) to shake nuts ... I believe it's far more than what you do or don't ... genetics????
 
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