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Matthew70 said:
Lol. You really believe that? You believe they are being fully honest? Is it not proven people can have it and not have any temp or symptoms? Have we not learned this already? Anyone would be a fool to trust the govt. in knowing what they are doing. Is closing down the economy the right thing to do?
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I believe closing schools, colleges, sports and restricting public gatherings is absolutely the wrong thing to do. There is evidence that this virus has been making the rounds here in the U.S. for months now. We have community spread. Most likely, we have some herd immunity by now. We are doing large amounts of damage to our economy and the healthy are paying the price, not just the sick. The vulnerable individuals should sequester themselves and let the vast majority get back to business as usual. Living always comes with risk. The shut down is irrational. It is gross over-reaction. We need to find our courage and quickly!
 
metwannabe said:
Stop with the name calling please... good grief. I get some people come across crass or nonchalant but he and others have been talking about the state of fear & panic. With crazy end of world type of numbers and hype. The thing is, one can be prepared and have an opinion that it may be overhyped both things can be true. You take necessary steps to control a situation without panicking, some people are panicking, that creates additional chaos.

Btw, I just finished up my last hoarding supply trip
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Oh I'm really sorry about that, I don't tolerate stupidity.

Being willfully ignorant at the scope of the problem in front of us is actually very dangerous and being panicked about an issue is just as much of a natural defense mechanism as is outright denial (as many have exhibited at various stages in this crisis). I'd rather be somewhat panicked and over prepared rather than mildly incompetent, you can ask China, Italy, Iran, & your friend Donald Trump how the latter line of rationale has/is worked/working out for them
 
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Downeastnc said:
This kind of brings home how this is different from the flu or any other pandemic over the last 100 yrs....

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One of the things that made the Spanish flu pandemic so unique is that it was "atypically fatal to those aged 20–40 years". In Canada and the US, mortality peaked at age 28.

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Age-Specific Mortality During the 1918 Influenza Pandemic: Unravelling the Mystery of High Young Adult Mortality

The worldwide spread of a novel influenza A (H1N1) virus in 2009 showed that influenza remains a significant health threat, even for individuals in the prime of life. This paper focuses on the unusually high young adult mortality observed during the Spanish ...
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Listen, I like all you guys and appreciate all points of view here, even the ones I strongly disagree with. It's what makes a market.

But the next jackass insult I see from anyone toward anyone else or name-call or anything like that, I'm banning posting in this thread for 7 days for that person. If the admins choose to override that, fine. But that's the deal.

Please try to be nice. This is a serious situation. Let's try to treat each other nicely.
 
weatherfide said:
I believe closing schools, colleges, sports and restricting public gatherings is absolutely the wrong thing to do. There is evidence that this virus has been making the rounds here in the U.S. for months now. We have community spread. Most likely, we have some herd immunity by now. We are doing large amounts of damage to our economy and the healthy are paying the price, not just the sick. The vulnerable individuals should sequester themselves and let the vast majority get back to business as usual. Living always comes with risk. The shut down is irrational. It is gross over-reaction. We need to find our courage and quickly!
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Go volunteer at a local hospital when the fit hits the shan
 
weatherfide said:
I believe closing schools, colleges, sports and restricting public gatherings is absolutely the wrong thing to do. There is evidence that this virus has been making the rounds here in the U.S. for months now. We have community spread. Most likely, we have some herd immunity by now. We are doing large amounts of damage to our economy and the healthy are paying the price, not just the sick. The vulnerable individuals should sequester themselves and let the vast majority get back to business as usual. Living always comes with risk. The shut down is irrational. It is gross over-reaction. We need to find our courage and quickly!
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I agree it’s killing our economy but I have my sympathy for the older population that just sequester themselves or put them in containment. Put yourself in that position. How would you feel if we said your age group be done same way!
 
Rain Cold said:
Listen, I like all you guys and appreciate all points of view here, even the ones I strongly disagree with. It's what makes a market.

But the next jackass insult I see from anyone toward anyone else or name-call or anything like that, I'm banning posting in this thread for 7 days for that person. If the admins choose to override that, fine. But that's the deal.

Please try to be nice. This is a serious situation. Let's try to treat each other nicely.
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Social distancing needs to be practiced here as well.
 
Rain Cold said:
Listen, I like all you guys and appreciate all points of view here, even the ones I strongly disagree with. It's what makes a market.

But the next jackass insult I see from anyone toward anyone else or name-call or anything like that, I'm banning posting in this thread for 7 days for that person. If the admins choose to override that, fine. But that's the deal.

Please try to be nice. This is a serious situation. Let's try to treat each other nicely.
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Thanks, RC!
 
weatherfide said:
I believe closing schools, colleges, sports and restricting public gatherings is absolutely the wrong thing to do. There is evidence that this virus has been making the rounds here in the U.S. for months now. We have community spread. Most likely, we have some herd immunity by now. We are doing large amounts of damage to our economy and the healthy are paying the price, not just the sick. The vulnerable individuals should sequester themselves and let the vast majority get back to business as usual. Living always comes with risk. The shut down is irrational. It is gross over-reaction. We need to find our courage and quickly!
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This x1000
 
Matthew70 said:
I agree it’s killing our economy but I have my sympathy for the older population that just sequester themselves or put them in containment. Put yourself in that position. How would you feel if we said your age group be done same way!
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I’m not saying that it should be mandatory. They can accept the risk at what ever level of distance they want.
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weatherfide said:
I believe closing schools, colleges, sports and restricting public gatherings is absolutely the wrong thing to do. There is evidence that this virus has been making the rounds here in the U.S. for months now. We have community spread. Most likely, we have some herd immunity by now. We are doing large amounts of damage to our economy and the healthy are paying the price, not just the sick. The vulnerable individuals should sequester themselves and let the vast majority get back to business as usual. Living always comes with risk. The shut down is irrational. It is gross over-reaction. We need to find our courage and quickly!
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I know I sound like a fool, but I swear I had the corona symptoms back in January.. I was in bed for 4 days straight that is not like me even when I'm at my sickest.
 
weatherfide said:
I believe closing schools, colleges, sports and restricting public gatherings is absolutely the wrong thing to do. There is evidence that this virus has been making the rounds here in the U.S. for months now. We have community spread. Most likely, we have some herd immunity by now. We are doing large amounts of damage to our economy and the healthy are paying the price, not just the sick. The vulnerable individuals should sequester themselves and let the vast majority get back to business as usual. Living always comes with risk. The shut down is irrational. It is gross over-reaction. We need to find our courage and quickly!
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If you look at how bad the flu has been, how many hospitalized. I know several people who had high fevers and coughed for weeks. I think when its said and done you are right. Its been here all along
 
weatherfide said:
I believe closing schools, colleges, sports and restricting public gatherings is absolutely the wrong thing to do. There is evidence that this virus has been making the rounds here in the U.S. for months now. We have community spread. Most likely, we have some herd immunity by now. We are doing large amounts of damage to our economy and the healthy are paying the price, not just the sick. The vulnerable individuals should sequester themselves and let the vast majority get back to business as usual. Living always comes with risk. The shut down is irrational. It is gross over-reaction. We need to find our courage and quickly!
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Sandbar said:
If you look at how bad the flu has been, how many hospitalized. I know several people who had high fevers and coughed for weeks. I think when its said and done you are right. Its been here all along
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Severely overloading our already strained health care system is a superb idea to both of you then because that is exactly what's gonna happen if you don't cancel these sources of large, public gatherings that exponentially increase the rate of spread of the virus. What do you suppose is going to happen to new patients that require immediate medical assistance for issues that have absolutely nothing to do w/ the coronavirus or even influenza and cases that happen nearly every moment of every day in some way, shape, or form in this country.

These include but aren't limited to:
Heart attacks
Stroke
Severe bone injuries
Dizziness
Uncontrollable headaches
Extreme fatigue
Dehydration
Blurred vision
Uncontrollable bleeding
Shortness of breath
Extreme vomiting/ diarrhea
Concussions
Severe toothaches
Chest pains
Abdominal pains
Kidney stones
Skin infections
Foreign objects lodged into the body
Cancer treatment(s)
Pneumonia
Back pain
Paralyzed limbs
Lacerations
Infections
Concussions
Gun shot wounds
Severe trauma


and the list goes on & on.



Now, take a moment and critically think about what would happen if people with one or more of the above issues and/or others that I haven't mentioned can't get that medical care they need right away because the hospitals are full of coronavirus and this past season's flu patients who have to all remain in ICU for several days to weeks at a time all at once, because someone (you) thought it wouldn't be a big deal to close or cancel schools/colleges, sporting events, & large public gatherings greater than "x" number of people? Keep in mind that roughly 15% of people who contract the coronavirus will require hospitalization.
 
Bham 99 said:
I know I sound like a fool, but I swear I had the corona symptoms back in January.. I was in bed for 4 days straight that is not like me even when I'm at my sickest.
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Same. In January I went to a large gathering of 1000+ people outside of DC from around the world and when I got back I was down and out for 4-5 days in bed with fever 100+. Went to the DR twice and they tested me twice for flu (negative). Just told me I had a bad upper respiratory illness (note not infection) and sent me home with nothing prescribed.
 
metwannabe said:
Stop with the name calling please... good grief. I get some people come across crass or nonchalant but he and others have been talking about the state of fear & panic. With crazy end of world type of numbers and hype. The thing is, one can be prepared and have an opinion that it may be overhyped both things can be true. You take necessary steps to control a situation without panicking, some people are panicking, that creates additional chaos.

Btw, I just finished up my last hoarding supply trip
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Freaking horders......

I'm going to the store for ice cream and coke. I'll show restraint for a day or so before I start thinking of May's supply.
 
I urge you to carefully watch what is unfolding in Europe: Italy, France, Spain, soon the UK, etc. That is what is in store for us in a couple of weeks or less. These are not third world countries with third rate medical facilities.
 
Seasonality of COVID-19 paper has been published.

“Abstract:
A significant number of infectious diseases display seasonal patterns in their incidence, including human coronaviruses. We hypothesize that SARS-CoV-2 does as well. To date, Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19), caused by SARS-CoV-2, has established significant community spread in cities and regions only along a narrow east west distribution roughly along the 30-50 N” corridor at consistently similar weather patterns (5-11 degrees Celsius and low specific and absolute humidity). There has been a lack of significant community establishment in expected locations that are based only on population proximity and extensive population interaction through travel. We have proposed a simplified model that shows a zone at increased risk for COVID-19 spread. Using weather modeling, it may be possible to predict the regions most likely to be at higher risk of significant community spread of COVID-19 in the upcoming weeks, allowing for concentration of public health efforts on surveillance and containment.”



Read the text in the image of the tweet below. That lines up with my thoughts when this virus originally broke out and started to spread...let’s hope this is right, as the WHO has casted immense doubt on this belief.



Full paper here: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3550308
 
Sandbar said:
If you look at how bad the flu has been, how many hospitalized. I know several people who had high fevers and coughed for weeks. I think when its said and done you are right. Its been here all along
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Yes I believe so as well. Everyone needs to watch the video that Donovan Mitchell of the Utah Jazz posted. There needs to be more updates on people and how they are recovering. Not all doom and gloom posts, that’s all see on yahoo for example. No wonder America is in a panic.
 
Webberweather53 said:
Severely overloading our already strained health care system is a superb idea to both of you then because that is exactly what's gonna happen if you don't cancel these sources of large, public gatherings that exponentially increase the rate of spread of the virus. What do you suppose is going to happen to new patients that require immediate medical assistance for issues that have absolutely nothing to do w/ the coronavirus or even influenza and cases that happen nearly every moment of every day in some way, shape, or form in this country.


Now, take a moment and critically think about what would happen if people with one or more of the above issues and/or others that I haven't mentioned can't get that medical care they need right away because the hospitals are full of coronavirus and this past season's flu patients who have to all remain in ICU for several days to weeks at a time all at once, because someone (you) thought it wouldn't be a big deal to close or cancel schools/colleges, sporting events, & large public gatherings greater than "x" number of people? Keep in mind that roughly 15% of people who contract the coronavirus will require hospitalization.
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This......people are not going to stop having strokes or heart attacks or getting into accidents etc, they are losing people in Italy to heart attacks/strokes etc because they simply do not have the resources to deal with it all. The hospitals are full there is no room for anyone anywhere....add to that the infected rate at hospitals is very high the last thing people with other issues need is to get Corona on top of their heart/cancer/stroke issues....
 
Webberweather53 said:
Severely overloading our already strained health care system is a superb idea to both of you then because that is exactly what's gonna happen if you don't cancel these sources of large, public gatherings that exponentially increase the rate of spread of the virus. What do you suppose is going to happen to new patients that require immediate medical assistance for issues that have absolutely nothing to do w/ the coronavirus or even influenza and cases that happen nearly every moment of every day in some way, shape, or form in this country.

These include but aren't limited to:
Heart attacks
Stroke
Severe bone injuries
Dizziness
Uncontrollable headaches
Extreme fatigue
Dehydration
Blurred vision
Uncontrollable bleeding
Shortness of breath
Extreme vomiting/ diarrhea
Concussions
Severe toothaches
Chest pains
Abdominal pains
Kidney stones
Skin infections
Foreign objects lodged into the body
Cancer treatment(s)
Pneumonia
Back pain
Paralyzed limbs
Lacerations
Infections
Concussions
Gun shot wounds
Severe trauma


and the list goes on & on.



Now, take a moment and critically think about what would happen if people with one or more of the above issues and/or others that I haven't mentioned can't get that medical care they need right away because the hospitals are full of coronavirus and this past season's flu patients who have to all remain in ICU for several days to weeks at a time all at once, because someone (you) thought it wouldn't be a big deal to close or cancel schools/colleges, sporting events, & large public gatherings greater than "x" number of people? Keep in mind that roughly 15% of people who contract the coronavirus will require hospitalization.
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I dont have a problem with events being canceled in the short term because of what you outlined above. "I" was merely pointing out that its been here awhile and unnoticed. With that being said you need to quit with the personal attacks on people who dont make the decisions you mentioned above. Its a discussion not a lynching
 
Jon said:
Seasonality of COVID-19 paper has been published.

“Abstract:
A significant number of infectious diseases display seasonal patterns in their incidence, including human coronaviruses. We hypothesize that SARS-CoV-2 does as well. To date, Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19), caused by SARS-CoV-2, has established significant community spread in cities and regions only along a narrow east west distribution roughly along the 30-50 N” corridor at consistently similar weather patterns (5-11 degrees Celsius and low specific and absolute humidity). There has been a lack of significant community establishment in expected locations that are based only on population proximity and extensive population interaction through travel. We have proposed a simplified model that shows a zone at increased risk for COVID-19 spread. Using weather modeling, it may be possible to predict the regions most likely to be at higher risk of significant community spread of COVID-19 in the upcoming weeks, allowing for concentration of public health efforts on surveillance and containment.”



Read the text in the image of the tweet below. That lines up with my thoughts when this virus originally broke out and started to spread...let’s hope this is right, as the WHO has casted immense doubt on this belief.



Full paper here: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3550308
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Thanks for this, I'm still somewhat skeptical however because this 30-50N corridor also happens to be precisely where a relatively large proportion of the world's population lives (as they allude to in the paper) and normalizing wrt pop density as a function of latitude would be both potentially more revealing and convincing. The spread of the virus has not been entirely forestalled even in areas where they're just coming out of summer (& are still very warm compared to normal) which also means we'll probably have to deal with this in some shape or form in the summer even as this initial wave of cases runs its course (although the potential for reinfection is somewhat disconcerting). I certainly don't disagree that the weather will help in some regard here in the SE US because even countries like Australia, Iran, etc that become very warm later in the year are also pretty arid.

"although the current correlations with latitude and temperature seem strong, a direct causation has not been proven and predictions in the near term are speculative and have to be considered with extreme caution."


A nagging concern this paper touched on and one you've touted time & time again and are well aware of obviously, is the potential for a new strain to emerge in the coming fall & winter as cases likely increase in the southern hemisphere given their current descent towards fall/winter, hopefully it's much less virulent or non-existent.
 
Stump said:
Same. In January I went to a large gathering of 1000+ people outside of DC from around the world and when I got back I was down and out for 4-5 days in bed with fever 100+. Went to the DR twice and they tested me twice for flu (negative). Just told me I had a bad upper respiratory illness (note not infection) and sent me home with nothing prescribed.
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I know man. I lost 8 pounds in those 4 days.. and I read where China acknowledged that they first reported coronavirus cases December 30th, and they said that was about a month later than when it actually started. there's no way to know for sure really, all I know is it got so bad that I almost called 911 one night.. and that is totally not like me. Actually I talked myself out of it, I told myself that was too dramatic
 
Sandbar said:
I dont have a problem with events being canceled in the short term because of what you outlined above. "I" was merely pointing out that its been here awhile and unnoticed. With that being said you need to quit with the personal attacks on people who dont make the decisions you mentioned above. Its a discussion not a lynching
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You completely agreed with the first quoted post in my response so I'd like to know where you actually stand on this because if you agree with cancellations instead, you've completely changed your opinion in a matter of several minutes

There were no personal attacks in the above post, leave the moderation suggestions to people who are actually qualified and equipped to handle them on this forum. Thanks in advance.
 
Stump said:
Same. In January I went to a large gathering of 1000+ people outside of DC from around the world and when I got back I was down and out for 4-5 days in bed with fever 100+. Went to the DR twice and they tested me twice for flu (negative). Just told me I had a bad upper respiratory illness (note not infection) and sent me home with nothing prescribed.
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Ya'll had corona, most likely. I've seen many accounts like this from multiple sources (health and wellness forums/blogs). We had the same experience in my family in mid-January, lasting into early February. Almost no fever, upper respiratory mostly and the kids had very mild symptoms. If we didn't overload the ER then, why would we now? By the way, we did the responsible thing and kept our distance from my elderly parents (as we always do). Advise vulnerable groups to self quarantine, and let the healthy get back to work and school. If we kill the economy over this, the economic damage will take a very long time to overcome and could lead to a deflationary spiral that permanently changes the geopolitical order,, and not in a good way.
 
Bham 99 said:
I know man. I lost 8 pounds in those 4 days.. and I read where China acknowledged that they first reported coronavirus cases December 30th, and they said that was about a month later than when it actually started. there's no way to know for sure really, all I know is it got so bad that I almost called 911 one night.. and that is totally not like me. Actually I talked myself out of it, I told myself that was too dramatic
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We had something go through us about two-three weeks ago. It was like a severe cold, that brought fatigue and at the end a day or so of tightness in our chests. We never felt horrible, but just that way you feel right before the flu sets in, yet it never did. My wife and I are also sure we ran a low grade fever.

Even though I have allergies and they can get me coughing, but that or with the flu I've never had that tightness in my chest.
 
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