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weatherfide said:
Ya'll had corona, most likely. I've seen many accounts like this from multiple sources (health and wellness forums/blogs). We had the same experience in my family in mid-January, lasting into early February. Almost no fever, upper respiratory mostly and the kids had very mild symptoms. If we didn't overload the ER then, why would we now? By the way, we did the responsible thing and kept our distance from my elderly parents (as we always do). Advise vulnerable groups to self quarantine, and let the healthy get back to work and school. If we kill the economy over this, the economic damage will take a very long time to overcome and could lead to a deflationary spiral that permanently changes the geopolitical order,, and not in a good way.
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If we've had corona going around most of the population for 2 months, then why haven't we seen a noticeable spike in deaths for people 60+ like we've seen in other countries so far?
 
Rain Cold said:
I urge you to carefully watch what is unfolding in Europe: Italy, France, Spain, soon the UK, etc. That is what is in store for us in a couple of weeks or less. These are not third world countries with third rate medical facilities.
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Maybe not. Maybe we are on the tale end of this? Maybe Europe is just getting the first wave and since they have a name for it and a test, are better able to document the actual contagious spread. There are way too many unknowns to throw the world into a depression to save a few hundred thousand lives. Tuberculosis kills millions every year. Why aren't we shutting down the world for that one?
 
Webberweather53 said:
You completely agreed with the first quoted post in my response so I'd like to know where you actually stand on this because if you agree with cancellations instead, you've completely changed your opinion in a matter of several minutes

There were no personal attacks in the above post, leave the moderation suggestions to people who are actually qualified and equipped to handle them on this forum. Thanks in advance.
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Im gonna put you on ignore because I dont have the patience for this. Nothing personal but arguing with you isnt productive. Im not going to waste anymore time going back and forth. Believe me its for the best. Good luck and stay safe
 
The way to get through this is just to report to work as usual to your respective work place and get your job accomplished.

Our employees got a letter from our CEO this afternoon that there are no plans to allow work from home even though all in my group can function remotely.

It is not fair to all to allow different work policies for different groups.

In my immediate building there are 325 of us in 5’ x 7’ work stations with 4’ divider walls.
 
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YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
If we've had corona going around most of the population for 2 months, then why haven't we seen a noticeable spike in deaths for people 60+ like we've seen in other countries so far?
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Lower population density, deaths attributed to other causes, herd immunity to name a few reasons. Plus who are you going to believe about the news of spikes in 60+ deaths? Who is going to report it if it looks like the flu and complications due to underlying health issues?
 
There’s a multitude of diseases, bacterium, viruses, & even environmental conditions alike that can cause or entice the development of very similar symptoms to those who contract the coronavirus. Assuming because you had a fever, cough, hot flashes, etc on “x” date earlier this year or late in the previous year and that automatically means we’re on the backside of this, is the meteorological equivalent of saying every time you see snow in Alabama or Georgia during March, it was caused by a superstorm because that happened once in 1993. Until you’re actually tested for the coronavirus, you really don’t know, so don’t immediately jump to conclusions.
 
weatherfide said:
Maybe not. Maybe we are on the tale end of this? Maybe Europe is just getting the first wave and since they have a name for it and a test, are better able to document the actual contagious spread. There are way too many unknowns to throw the world into a depression to save a few hundred thousand lives. Tuberculosis kills millions every year. Why aren't we shutting down the world for that one?
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When was the last time tuberculosis spread around the world like wildfire and overwhelmed the healthcare facilities in many countries? The two things aren't equivalent.

I believe that we are not almost done with this and that we're just getting started. The good thing is, we will know which idea is correct within a couple of weeks. At that point, either the no big deal group will capitulate or the wait it out crowd will. There will be an unambiguous answer very soon.
 
This novel virus in my opinion is gonna probably be bad, even in the summer (still warmer temps may help) but IMO it’ll start to transition to a seasonal type thing in the years ahead, it’s a Respiratory infection that easily spreads like influenza, it’s gonna likely be our new issue, just like winter time norovirus, H3N2, H1N1, rhinovirus
 
weatherfide said:
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Lower population density, deaths attributed to other causes, herd immunity to name a few reasons. Plus who are you going to believe about the news of spikes in 60+ deaths? Who is going to report it if it looks like the flu and complications due to underlying health issues?
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But didn't we know about this virus in mid January, and what the symptoms might be if (and once) they got here? Wouldn't we specifically been on alert for it?

If those cases beginning 2 months ago were in addition to the standard flu and got included with it, then wouldn't we have been alarmed at the suddenly more cases of flu across the country?

Isn't this thing affecting numerous countries that are both more rural and more urban population densities in the US? Wouldn't herd immunity be difficult to acquire if it's the elderly's first exposure to the virus?

I'm not saying you're wrong, and actually hope you are right. But it seems more likely we're just now seeing the first effects and that community spread is more a recent thing, than 2 months ago. In any case, when these tests finally get out, we'll have a better sense of the extent of this.
 
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We have a few on this board who can't admit they are wrong, just like a few of our leaders. I will take a scientists word on this subject over a grunt or a office worker. There was a lot of mocking and insults towards people who were worried about this a month ago and now that they look to have been right maybe some apologies are in order.
 
Rain Cold said:
When was the last time tuberculosis spread around the world like wildfire and overwhelmed the healthcare facilities in many countries? The two things aren't equivalent.

I believe that we are not almost done with this and that we're just getting started. The good thing is, we will know which idea is correct within a couple of weeks. At that point, either the no big deal group will capitulate or the wait it out crowd will. There will be an unambiguous answer very soon.
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I think everyone wants the same thing. To get through it safe and sound
 
Webberweather53 said:
There’s a multitude of diseases, bacterium, viruses, & even environmental conditions alike that can cause or entice the development of very similar symptoms to those who contract the coronavirus. Assuming because you had a fever, cough, hot flashes, etc on “x” date earlier this year or late in the previous year and that automatically means we’re on the backside of this, is the meteorological equivalent of saying every time you see snow in Alabama or Georgia during March, it was caused by a superstorm because that happened once in 1993. Until you’re actually tested for the coronavirus, you really don’t know, so don’t immediately jump to conclusions.
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That is correct, but it certainly is interesting considering the circumstances of the virus and its origins.
 
Arcc said:
That is correct, but it certainly is interesting considering the circumstances of the virus and its origins.
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There's absolutely zero evidence to suggest those cases of sickness were caused by coronavirus back in January, and in no way shape or form are they interesting to me. Infinitely more likely to be related to seasonal flu variability.
 
One thing that supports the fact that this hasn't been here for months is that the case pattern is following the same trajectory in both growth and epidemiology of most other patterns observed in other countries to date.

What I mean is that most of the first cases observed can be sourced to a remote location where the virus was widespread. Little by little, they become untraceable. This is either a massive coincidence, a massive farce and cover-up, or it's the natural progression of a disease that's just getting established and rapidly expanding.
 
Heelyes said:
The elephant in the room is the CFR. Italy is at 7percent which is horrible but it's actually worse because a majority of cases are not resolved yet.
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Agreed. I can't believe it will be that high everywhere, though. They have a lot of older folks and I think they smoke a lot too. And I suspect there are a lot of untested cases that exist. I know that horse has been beaten to death, though. Still, it is really bad over there.

I suppose it's also possible that they have a mutated strain that's more virulent. But I haven't seen any data that is suggesting that right now.
 
Just found it. Ii'm sure we are exempt:

“A mass gathering is defined as any event or convening that brings together more than one hundred (100) persons in a single room or single space at one time, such as an auditorium, stadium, arena, large conference room, meeting hall, theater, or any other confined indoor or outdoor space. This includes parades, fairs and festivals.

“A mass gathering does not include normal operations at airports, bus and train stations, medical facilities, libraries, shopping malls and centers, or other spaces where more than one hundred (100) persons, are gathered. It also does not include office environments, restaurants, factories, grocery stores or other retail establishments.”
 
Poimen said:
Just found it. Ii'm sure we are exempt:

“A mass gathering is defined as any event or convening that brings together more than one hundred (100) persons in a single room or single space at one time, such as an auditorium, stadium, arena, large conference room, meeting hall, theater, or any other confined indoor or outdoor space. This includes parades, fairs and festivals.

“A mass gathering does not include normal operations at airports, bus and train stations, medical facilities, libraries, shopping malls and centers, or other spaces where more than one hundred (100) persons, are gathered. It also does not include office environments, restaurants, factories, grocery stores or other retail establishments.”
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So it's pointless? Why bother if it's not everyone?
 
And this is the really scary part of all this. There are not enough tests for everyone, and you don't even have to have symptoms to be spreading it around.

 
Rain Cold said:
One thing that supports the fact that this hasn't been here for months is that the case pattern is following the same trajectory in both growth and epidemiology of most other patterns observed in other countries to date.

What I mean is that most of the first cases observed can be sourced to a remote location where the virus was widespread. Little by little, they become untraceable. This is either a massive coincidence, a massive farce and cover-up, or it's the natural progression of a disease that's just getting established and rapidly expanding.
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My youngest daughter has neutropenia. Her specialist at UNC mentioned to my wife that he believes its possibly been here since late 2019 undetected. He was going to send some samples from late year patients who had the symptoms of this virus that showed negative for flu. Well see when they have the capability to test the samples
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
It's all about the benjamins. $$$ They REALLY don't want retail and restaurants to close. I think it's an attempt at a compromise between doing nothing and shutting everything down.
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Correct, you can’t shut down everything. You do that and the panic will be 100x worse.


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YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
It's all about the benjamins. $$$ They REALLY don't want retail and restaurants to close. I think it's an attempt at a compromise between doing nothing and shutting everything down.
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If school is closed so should big churches,stores and restaurants. The biggest clusters so far came from churches
 
Perhaps this will be a seasonable issue since the places it’s most effected are in Northern states. Although, maybe it just hasn’t had time to ramp up in places like North Carolina, where some areas are still decently cool.
 
Cadi40 said:
Perhaps this will be a seasonable issue since the places it’s most effected are in Northern states. Although, maybe it just hasn’t had time to ramp up in places like North Carolina, where some areas are still decently cool.
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Georgia has more cases than Michigan
 
Heelyes said:
If school is closed so should big churches,stores and restaurants. The biggest clusters so far came from churches
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I understand your point, but I think the difference is the kids. We as a society value the safety and well being of our children over adults. Especially because they look to us to make decisions to keep them safe. They don't have the freedom to do so, but adults do. That's why we tend to close schools before other things.

Also, if a kid gets sick from school and has permanent complications (or worse) there is probably a lot more liability involved than in those other public places.

EDIT: I just wanted to clarify, I'm not actually advocating either way, but just telling you what I think the rationale is.
 
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