Coronavirus (Stay on Topic)

[Shaggy]

As of March 13th, 2020

Coronavirus: Anxiety and confusion over testing

Many Americans are nervous because they believe they might have Coronavirus but say they can't get tested. Several say they're suffering symptoms tied to the virus, have come into contact with someone who's tested positive or have traveled in hot zones where the sickness is spreading.

www.cnn.com

Aside from critically ill patients who are hospitalized, the physician said the Massachusetts Department of Public Health is only approving testing for people who have been exposed to someone who has already tested positive or who has traveled to one of the five heavily impacted countries outside the US in the past 14 days, which mirrors CDC guidelines.

"It's insanity," said the physician, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

There are not even tests on hand to use if a patient was approved for testing, the doctor said.

"Even if the patient were around and exposed to someone coughing, sick, sneezing, I cannot give them a coronavirus test," the doctor said. "We are being crippled by our department of public health and the CDC on our ability to combat this pandemic."

The doctor said state and federal health officials "need to loosen the criteria on testing" and "allow us doctors to use our discretion to decide who should be tested."

Inexcusable

 

[Snowfan]

 

[ForsythSnow]

My point being THE FLU IS STILL HERE! Its actually killed 20,000+ people. Not a projection but a FACT! Understand? So yeah im still talking about the flu......

Then why are you in the coronavirus thread if you're talking about the flu? Please consider actually discussing the Coronavirus instead of trying to tell people that this is no big deal.

 

[Yellow Snow]

Does anyone believe the entire United States is going on lockdown like Italy?

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Not remotely possible - you're talking about a country of 60 million people covering 116,000 square miles (smaller than the surface area of New Mexico) versus a continent-spanning nation of 330 million.

 

[Cadi40]

Carowinds in Charlotte is delaying their opening until April 3rd.

 

[ryan1234]

Not remotely possible - you're talking about a country of 60 million people covering 116,000 square miles (smaller than the surface area of New Mexico) versus a continent-spanning nation of 330 million.

China is on lockdown and they have 1.3 billion people. So... it is possible.

 

[Jimmy Hypocracy]

I want to reiterate for people who may not understand what’s happening. We are prepping for the PANIC not the VIRUS. This will all be over in a couple of months and you want you and your family to come out on the other side shining like a brick of gold. I like Rush Limbaugh, but he is clueless on this one. Prepare for shortages. Because there will be a lot.

 

[Iceagewhereartthou]

You don't seem to get it. It's not about where things are now. It's about preventing things from getting worse. There is a vaccine for the flu. There is not one for this virus. This virus is deadlier than the flu. It appears it can be spread faster than the flu, too. It's all about preventing things from getting out of hand.

I think we all get that. No one wants to this thing to get worse. My point is (and probably others) is how come we are ok with the flu getting worse every year? We are taking unprecedented actions becasue it would be awful to lose lives from this (which of course it would be) but why are we seemingly ok with flu deaths? Why don't we shut down air travel and all sports and all schools every year at the point when 150k people have been affected with 5k deaths worldwide so that it won't get worse? Why didn't we do this before 136 kids died from it this year? Why didn't we do it before 1800 kids died of H1N1 in 2009/10? Why didn't we do all this before 80,000 Americans died of the intense outbreak of 2017/2018? The flu may have a vaccine but it is 50/50 AT BEST, meaning it's often worse. We are afraid of this thing being very deadly (which I get) but we are ok, apparently, with the flu being garanteed to be deadly every year and we don't take any steps to pervent those outbreaks from getting worse? If we did this every year we could save tens of thousands of lives (US) every year from the flu. But apparently we don't consider those lives important enough to do this? Much of this is panic. This is a new virus we don't know much about. The mass media and social media have exploded around it, and we are doing things we have never done for something that is guaranteed to take tens of thousands of American lives every year when we don't. The massive market sell off is panic. The cancelling of all sports and concerts everywhere is panic. The toilet paper run is panic. If we didn't act this way for SARS, MERS, H1N1, Ebola, the outbreak of 17/18, or the seasonal flu, acting this way now is panic. If we don't act this way next fall for the upcoming flu season does that mean we arent worried about letting that one get worse?

 

[Arcc]

Take this how you will. Saw it posted elsewhere but cant source it just yet.

Italian National Health Institute data from 12/3 show mortality among confirmed cases thus:

age 0-29: 0%
30-49: 0.1%
50-59: 0.6%
60-69: 2.7%
70-79: 9.6%
80-89: 16.6%
90+: 19%

88% of the deceased are age 70+.
Confirmed infections have a median age of 64 and are 60% male.



Italy's confirmed cases, breakdown by age group:
0-18: 1.2%
19-50: 22.8%
51-70: 37.5%
70+: 38.5%
Median age: 64

 

[JHS]

SC gov. declares state of emergency, orders Lancaster, Kershaw County schools to close

Lancaster, Kershaw County schools will be closed for 14 days

www.wyff4.com

 

[NCSNOW]

You don't seem to get it. It's not about where things are now. It's about preventing things from getting worse. There is a vaccine for the flu. There is not one for this virus. This virus is deadlier than the flu. It appears it can be spread faster than the flu, too. It's all about preventing things from getting out of hand.

Brick is right. This is some cooked up mess out of china that unintentionally got out. Been reading the makeup of this virus and its got garbage / traits of makeup to different stuff.

 

[Yellow Snow]

China is on lockdown and they have 1.3 billion people. So... it is possible.

Come on - China is a communist dictatorship where the populace has no unrestricted freedom of movement to begin with.

 

[Brick Tamland]

I think we all get that. No one wants to this thing to get worse. My point is (and probably others) is how come we are ok with the flu getting worse every year? We are taking unprecedented actions becasue it would be awful to lose lives from this (which of course it would be) but why are we seemingly ok with flu deaths? Why don't we shut down air travel and all sports and all schools every year at the point when 150k people have been affected with 5k deaths worldwide so that it won't get worse? Why didn't we do this before 136 kids died from it this year? Why didn't we do it before 1800 kids died of H1N1 in 2009/10? Why didn't we do all this before 80,000 Americans died of the intense outbreak of 2017/2018? The flu may have a vaccine but it is 50/50 AT BEST, meaning it's often worse. We are afraid of this thing being very deadly (which I get) but we are ok, apparently, with the flu being garanteed to be deadly every year and we don't take any steps to pervent those outbreaks from getting worse? If we did this every year we could save tens of thousands of lives (US) every year from the flu. But apparently we don't consider those lives important enough to do this? Much of this is panic. This is a new virus we don't know much about. The mass media and social media have exploded around it, and we are doing things we have never done for something that is guaranteed to take tens of thousands of American lives every year when we don't. The massive market sell off is panic. The cancelling of all sports and concerts everywhere is panic. The toilet paper run is panic. If we didn't act this way for SARS, MERS, H1N1, Ebola, the outbreak of 17/18, or the seasonal flu, acting this way now is panic. If we don't act this way next fall for the upcoming flu season does that mean we arent worried about letting that one get worse?

Simply because this virus has a higher mortality rate than the flu, and it is easier to get because there is no vaccine for it. It's trying to stop it before it gets out of hand. That's why. It shouldn't be that hard to understand. It's not panic. It's being proactive to prevent things from getting as bad as it could be.

 

[Myfrotho704_]

I’m my opinion, of course it’s way harder than talking it out sounds, but they needa find a vaccine/cure that somehow stops ACE2 receptors from allowing coronavirus entry, it’s not as simple as killing the virus to make it have a immune response but not get the virus itself, (still a option)
There’s a few ways of using ACE2 against the virus, such as a spike protein used in a vaccine or even just blocking the ACE2 receptor itself

 

[Arcc]

Woo that's #1. First lady with mask at DG in Goodwater.

 

[Brick Tamland]

Woo that's #1. First lady with mask at DG in Goodwater.

Huh?

 

[Yellow Snow]

Woo that's #1. First lady with mask at DG in Goodwater.

Melania Trump was in a Dollar General wearing a mask? ??

 

[Shaggy]

Cant watch the presser but someone take note of trumps health

 

[ForsythSnow]

Huh?

Melania Trump was in a Dollar General wearing a mask? ??

I think he means that's number one of the people he's seen wearing a mask in public

 

[Arcc]

Melania Trump was in a Dollar General wearing a mask? ??

No definitely not. No offense to that woman though. I need to start a thread so we can talley them up.

 

[NoSnowATL]

Well meeting is over. Started at 2:30 not 3pm.
Highlights:

1. Office is closed until TBA.
2. No air travel until TBA.
3. No out of state travel until TBA.
4. No new contracts Until TBA.


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[Sandbar]

Then why are you in the coronavirus thread if you're talking about the flu? Please consider actually discussing the Coronavirus instead of trying to tell people that this is no big deal.

I havent said its not a big deal. I simply said the flu is still hear. Its killing people still. Its a bad thing to mention flu killing people?

 

[Brick Tamland]

The person who died from the virus in Kansas was a man in his 70s in a long-term care facility. He hadn't traveled anywhere, and they don't know of anyone he came in contact with who has the virus.

 

[Snowfan]

 

[Nerman]

I think we all get that. No one wants to this thing to get worse. My point is (and probably others) is how come we are ok with the flu getting worse every year? We are taking unprecedented actions becasue it would be awful to lose lives from this (which of course it would be) but why are we seemingly ok with flu deaths? Why don't we shut down air travel and all sports and all schools every year at the point when 150k people have been affected with 5k deaths worldwide so that it won't get worse? Why didn't we do this before 136 kids died from it this year? Why didn't we do it before 1800 kids died of H1N1 in 2009/10? Why didn't we do all this before 80,000 Americans died of the intense outbreak of 2017/2018? The flu may have a vaccine but it is 50/50 AT BEST, meaning it's often worse. We are afraid of this thing being very deadly (which I get) but we are ok, apparently, with the flu being garanteed to be deadly every year and we don't take any steps to pervent those outbreaks from getting worse? If we did this every year we could save tens of thousands of lives (US) every year from the flu. But apparently we don't consider those lives important enough to do this? Much of this is panic. This is a new virus we don't know much about. The mass media and social media have exploded around it, and we are doing things we have never done for something that is guaranteed to take tens of thousands of American lives every year when we don't. The massive market sell off is panic. The cancelling of all sports and concerts everywhere is panic. The toilet paper run is panic. If we didn't act this way for SARS, MERS, H1N1, Ebola, the outbreak of 17/18, or the seasonal flu, acting this way now is panic. If we don't act this way next fall for the upcoming flu season does that mean we arent worried about letting that one get worse?

Thought we were done having to post these. Not to be rude, just really thought we were beyond this. All the information is out there.

'People have been trying to underplay this': Why the coronavirus is different from the flu

"We have much more capability and expertise to treat and prevent the flu that we don't yet have with coronavirus."

www.nbcnews.com

Covid-19 is not the flu. It’s worse.

It’s deadlier, more contagious, and more likely to severely disrupt our health care system.

www.vox.com

And I don't believe this to be political but actually very relevant to ongoing covid-19 discussion.

Like the flu? Trump's coronavirus messaging confuses public, pandemic researchers say

The coronavirus is not as bad as the seasonal flu. President Donald Trump is not worried about having had direct exposure to the virus. The United States is in far better shape than other countries.

www.reuters.com

 

[Deleted member 527]

I think we all get that. No one wants to this thing to get worse. My point is (and probably others) is how come we are ok with the flu getting worse every year? We are taking unprecedented actions becasue it would be awful to lose lives from this (which of course it would be) but why are we seemingly ok with flu deaths? Why don't we shut down air travel and all sports and all schools every year at the point when 150k people have been affected with 5k deaths worldwide so that it won't get worse? Why didn't we do this before 136 kids died from it this year? Why didn't we do it before 1800 kids died of H1N1 in 2009/10? Why didn't we do all this before 80,000 Americans died of the intense outbreak of 2017/2018? The flu may have a vaccine but it is 50/50 AT BEST, meaning it's often worse. We are afraid of this thing being very deadly (which I get) but we are ok, apparently, with the flu being garanteed to be deadly every year and we don't take any steps to pervent those outbreaks from getting worse? If we did this every year we could save tens of thousands of lives (US) every year from the flu. But apparently we don't consider those lives important enough to do this? Much of this is panic. This is a new virus we don't know much about. The mass media and social media have exploded around it, and we are doing things we have never done for something that is guaranteed to take tens of thousands of American lives every year when we don't. The massive market sell off is panic. The cancelling of all sports and concerts everywhere is panic. The toilet paper run is panic. If we didn't act this way for SARS, MERS, H1N1, Ebola, the outbreak of 17/18, or the seasonal flu, acting this way now is panic. If we don't act this way next fall for the upcoming flu season does that mean we arent worried about letting that one get worse?

Do I agree with all of this? Not really but I don’t won’t to see Doctors & Nurses and medical personnel overwhelmed. Having to decide who they try and save and who they don’t. Causing our hospitals being flooded with sick instead of being able to help other victims of unforeseen circumstances.

 

[campamy]

First case has been reported in Hamilton County, TN.

 

[Deleted member 527]

Well meeting is over. Started at 2:30 not 3pm.
Highlights:

1. Office is closed until TBA.
2. No air travel until TBA.
3. No out of state travel until TBA.
4. No new contracts Until TBA.


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May I ask what you do and how many it will affect?

 

[jackendrickwx]

SC declares emergency. Lancaster & Kershaw Co schools will close for 14 days

 

[weatherfide]

I think we all get that. No one wants to this thing to get worse. My point is (and probably others) is how come we are ok with the flu getting worse every year? We are taking unprecedented actions becasue it would be awful to lose lives from this (which of course it would be) but why are we seemingly ok with flu deaths? Why don't we shut down air travel and all sports and all schools every year at the point when 150k people have been affected with 5k deaths worldwide so that it won't get worse? Why didn't we do this before 136 kids died from it this year? Why didn't we do it before 1800 kids died of H1N1 in 2009/10? Why didn't we do all this before 80,000 Americans died of the intense outbreak of 2017/2018? The flu may have a vaccine but it is 50/50 AT BEST, meaning it's often worse. We are afraid of this thing being very deadly (which I get) but we are ok, apparently, with the flu being garanteed to be deadly every year and we don't take any steps to pervent those outbreaks from getting worse? If we did this every year we could save tens of thousands of lives (US) every year from the flu. But apparently we don't consider those lives important enough to do this? Much of this is panic. This is a new virus we don't know much about. The mass media and social media have exploded around it, and we are doing things we have never done for something that is guaranteed to take tens of thousands of American lives every year when we don't. The massive market sell off is panic. The cancelling of all sports and concerts everywhere is panic. The toilet paper run is panic. If we didn't act this way for SARS, MERS, H1N1, Ebola, the outbreak of 17/18, or the seasonal flu, acting this way now is panic. If we don't act this way next fall for the upcoming flu season does that mean we arent worried about letting that one get worse?

Thought we were done having to post these. Not to be rude, just really thought we were beyond this. All the information is out there.

'People have been trying to underplay this': Why the coronavirus is different from the flu

"We have much more capability and expertise to treat and prevent the flu that we don't yet have with coronavirus."

www.nbcnews.com

Covid-19 is not the flu. It’s worse.

It’s deadlier, more contagious, and more likely to severely disrupt our health care system.

www.vox.com

And I don't believe this to be political but actually very relevant to ongoing covid-19 discussion.

Like the flu? Trump's coronavirus messaging confuses public, pandemic researchers say

The coronavirus is not as bad as the seasonal flu. President Donald Trump is not worried about having had direct exposure to the virus. The United States is in far better shape than other countries.

www.reuters.com

He's not arguing the severity of the virus but the value of human life. He is also arguing that we need to accept risk of dying to continue prosperity for the most people. Prosperity brings long life, freedom and happiness. So, again, where is the threshold where we destroy prosperity, freedom and our future, to save lives? It can't be save lives at all costs and we all know it.

 

[Arcc]

Great Britain saying 96% cases are mild and 60% must get virus to get herd immunity.

 

[Brick Tamland]

Maybe we can just keep this thread to the facts and news about the virus, and how it is affecting folks instead of using it to argue if it is worse than the flu or not.

 

[NoSnowATL]

May I ask what you do and how many it will affect?

Sure. I am the acquisition manager for a multi family construction company based out of Atlanta. This effect all corporate employees for the Atlanta office and the Dallas office. 177 total employees.


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[Deleted member 527]

He's not arguing the severity of the virus but the value of human life. He is also arguing that we need to accept risk of dying to continue prosperity for the most people. Prosperity brings long life, freedom and happiness. So, again, where is the threshold where we destroy prosperity, freedom and our future, to save lives? It can't be save lives at all costs and we all know it.

This is exactly what I said yesterday or day before. Will we be willing to Sacrifice elders and people for the future of America and our kids?

 

[snowlover91]

If true, it appears China covered this up and the first case of coronavirus started in mid-November. Why is this important? Because if this started in mid-November, it likely spread into the US and other countries long before anyone had a clue it was a threat...

"A new report out of Beijing suggests the first confirmed case of the coronavirus can be traced back to mid-November, a month earlier than the Chinese government has claimed it knew about it.

Government documents seen by the South China Morning Post show the first reported case of COVID-19 surfaced on November 17. Scientists believe that a 55-year-old person from Hubei, a province in central China, could be "patient zero" though that has not yet been confirmed.

Of the first nine cases to be reported in November -- four men and five women -- none have turned out to be "patient zero," a term used to refer to the person identified as the first carrier of a communicable disease.

Each day after November 17, one to five new cases were reported, and by December 15, the number of infections had grown to 27. Five days later, the number reached 60, the SCMP said.

On December 27, Zhang Jixian, a Chinese doctor from Hubei Provincial Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine, told health authorities that the peculiar pneumonia-like illness infecting people was actually caused by a new coronavirus. Three days later, the number of confirmed cases had jumped to 266. Twenty-four hours later, the number spiked to 381."

Chinese government knew about coronavirus one month earlier than it claimed: report

A new report out of Beijing suggests the first confirmed case of the coronavirus can be traced back to mid-November, more than a month earlier than the Chinese government has claimed.

www.foxnews.com

 

[RBR71]

Does this guy ever start a press conference on time? ?

 

[Nerman]

He's not arguing the severity of the virus but the value of human life. He is also arguing that we need to accept risk of dying to continue prosperity for the most people. Prosperity brings long life, freedom and happiness. So, again, where is the threshold where we destroy prosperity, freedom and our future, to save lives? It can't be save lives at all costs and we all know it.

Again, what happens when hospitals are overrun with cases? Then the 45 year old who normally recovers from open heart surgery can't get scheduled for surgery. Tons of examples of others dying, not just the old, in the countries that are hardest hit. This is considered a 1 in 100 year outbreak not like SARS, FLU, etc. The mortality rate is significantly higher. Maybe 10 times more. And the contagion (RO) rate is crazy higher. Have you seen the below chart that has been well publicized?

 

[Deleted member 1449]

Does this guy ever start a press conference on time? ?

Take it to the political thread!

 

[RollTide18]

If true, it appears China covered this up and the first case of coronavirus started in mid-November. Why is this important? Because if this started in mid-November, it likely spread into the US and other countries long before anyone had a clue it was a threat...

"A new report out of Beijing suggests the first confirmed case of the coronavirus can be traced back to mid-November, a month earlier than the Chinese government has claimed it knew about it.

Government documents seen by the South China Morning Post show the first reported case of COVID-19 surfaced on November 17. Scientists believe that a 55-year-old person from Hubei, a province in central China, could be "patient zero" though that has not yet been confirmed.

Of the first nine cases to be reported in November -- four men and five women -- none have turned out to be "patient zero," a term used to refer to the person identified as the first carrier of a communicable disease.

Each day after November 17, one to five new cases were reported, and by December 15, the number of infections had grown to 27. Five days later, the number reached 60, the SCMP said.

On December 27, Zhang Jixian, a Chinese doctor from Hubei Provincial Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine, told health authorities that the peculiar pneumonia-like illness infecting people was actually caused by a new coronavirus. Three days later, the number of confirmed cases had jumped to 266. Twenty-four hours later, the number spiked to 381."

Chinese government knew about coronavirus one month earlier than it claimed: report

A new report out of Beijing suggests the first confirmed case of the coronavirus can be traced back to mid-November, more than a month earlier than the Chinese government has claimed.

www.foxnews.com

Hmm, could that mean that the number of US cases and deaths that have already happened from this could possibly be higher?

 

[Deleted member 527]

Hotels Turn to Layoffs, Room Rate Cuts as Business Staggers

The U.S. hotel industry absorbed a direct blow during the first week of March with revenue per available room falling 11.6%, data show, amid canceled group events and sharp declines in corporate travel.

www.wsj.com