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NCHighCountryWX said:
Ran one take today in my area and roads are packed

People definitely not staying home as it looks like an ordinary Saturday for us working folks
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There has got to be thousands upon thousands of infected people in NC right now ! For the first time in a while I went to work at my job in Raleigh. You couldn’t even tell things were off people were out with their grandkids , girlfriends / boyfriends , friends . Here I am spending past few days by my lonesome driving and hiking in the woods out and about in the country and these people walking around like it’s no bodies business .

There has to be something else holding back cases down south because we have way more . Weather could be making an impact on virus ?!
 
Lickwx said:
There has got to be thousands upon thousands of infected people in NC right now ! For the first time in a while I went to work at my job in Raleigh. You couldn’t even tell things were off people were out with their grandkids , girlfriends / boyfriends , friends . Here I am spending past few days by my lonesome driving and hiking in the woods out and about in the country and these people walking around like it’s no bodies business .

There has to be something else holding back cases down south because we have way more . Weather could be making an impact on virus ?!
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Could be, but I think it's because we are more rural and lack a big seeding event. That said at least in China and Italy and looks like here are well, one big pop and a lot of smaller hits seem to be this Virus' MO.
 
Wife and I shopping for my parents today and as others have noted, its packed. But I see more people wearing mask, including us. Just went to a local butcher shop, it is one of the best around, anyway the level of nonchalant almost arrogant attitude in there about this was surprising. The place was packed, absolutely no social distancing and I was the only person with a mask on. One regular customer walked in and started joking about 6', 6' and the cashier said not in here and they just laughed, then he walked up and shook the owner's hand. This is why this thing cannot get under control. You can't fix stupid
 
metwannabe said:
Wife and I shopping for my parents today and as others have noted, its packed. But I see more people wearing mask, including us. Just went to a local butcher shop, it is one of the best around, anyway the level of nonchalant almost arrogant attitude in there about this was surprising. The place was packed, absolutely no social distancing and I was the only person with a mask on. One regular customer walked in and started joking about 6', 6' and the cashier said not in here and they just laughed, then he walked up and shook the owner's hand. This is why this thing cannot get under control. You can't fix stupid
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No, but nature will (regrettably) ... ? ? ?
 
Snowflowxxl said:
No reason to close the beach. If you can’t follow directions then that’s your own damn fault. Just keep your distance from others and everyone will be fine. If your gonna not do that then I don’t have sympathy for being dumb.
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People don't follow recommended directions because they don't have any common sense. Keeping beaches open increases the chances of the virus spreading. It doesn't matter if it spreads among just 'dumb' people. Those dumb people might know smart or innocent people that would get infected all because of this beach order.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
People don't follow recommended directions because they don't have any common sense. Keeping beaches open increases the chances of the virus spreading. It doesn't matter if it spreads among just 'dumb' people. Those dumb people might know smart or innocent people that would get infected all because of this beach order.
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If we can't trust people to use common sense, then we just can't help ourselves. Those "dumb" people are not going to be leaving us anytime soon, so I don't see it changing much. Closing the beach isn't going to change anything in the grand scheme of things. People are going to do whatever they want. Unless the set up police everywhere and make sure nobody leaves there house this isn't going to end. I went to target today and the driving range, and both were absolutely packed. People are not going to stay home regardless, so whats the point of all this?
 
Snowflowxxl said:
If we can't trust people to use common sense, then we just can't help ourselves. Those "dumb" people are not going to be leaving us anytime soon, so I don't see it changing much. Closing the beach isn't going to change anything in the grand scheme of things. People are going to do whatever they want. Unless the set up police everywhere and make sure nobody leaves there house this isn't going to end. I went to target today and the driving range, and both were absolutely packed. People are not going to stay home regardless, so whats the point of all this?
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Target and the driving range are private businesses though. These beaches are public property, and in many cases the local government had already made decisions to close them. Controlling access to those in the name of public safety makes sense, and sets a good example. Even if you consider it going overboard in an abundance of caution, isn't that better than not doing enough?
 
JHS said:
www.nytimes.com

Opinion | In the American South, a Perfect Storm Is Gathering (Published 2020)

In states with many uninsured citizens, few hospitals and leaders who have not required citizens to stay home, a disaster is looming.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Hopefully wrong but I'm afraid it is probably correct.
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Finally, on April 2, Mr. Lee acknowledged epidemiological reality and issued a stay-at-home order. The rest of the red-state governors will also capitulate to reality before this is all over. But the time for decisive action has long since passed, and their delays, like the president’s, will end up costing thousands of lives.
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I know people are trying to do their best to make the death tolls rise in the South, but it's getting harder to make that a reality. They just can't give credit that southerners are doing a pretty good job.
 
JHS said:
www.nytimes.com

Opinion | In the American South, a Perfect Storm Is Gathering (Published 2020)

In states with many uninsured citizens, few hospitals and leaders who have not required citizens to stay home, a disaster is looming.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Hopefully wrong but I'm afraid it is probably correct.
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Damn block party going on down the street; called the cops since they have lots of kids there - mostly under 6 years; cops were sympathetic on the phone; they never came ... despite violating local and State SIP orders
 
covid19.healthdata.org

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Explore forecasts of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospital resource use.
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This model cited by WH advisors hasn't been updated since Apr 1st and is supposed to be updated today (but hasn't yet) It's getting a little late in the day...
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
Target and the driving range are private businesses though. These beaches are public property, and in many cases the local government had already made decisions to close them. Controlling access to those in the name of public safety makes sense, and sets a good example. Even if you consider it going overboard in an abundance of caution, isn't that better than not doing enough?
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South Korea had its first report on infection at the same time we did. They have less than 300 deaths. So yes, I agree. I'd rather have South Korea statistics, over Italy or Spain. We have far surpassed that. at this juncture. So, we failed, but I really hope others can learn from our mistakes.(And yes, we made mistakes as a country.) Not blaming any political party, btw.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
Target and the driving range are private businesses though. These beaches are public property, and in many cases the local government had already made decisions to close them. Controlling access to those in the name of public safety makes sense, and sets a good example. Even if you consider it going overboard in an abundance of caution, isn't that better than not doing enough?
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I agree that it sets a good precedent. But if people are still not going to follow the rules and socially interact anyways, then what’s it matter?
 
Snowflowxxl said:
I agree that it sets a good precedent. But if people are still not going to follow the rules and socially interact anyways, then what’s it matter?
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I see your point, but how far do you take that? What about traffic laws? Some people don't follow those, and speed and drive recklessly anyways. If some people aren't going to follow those laws, then what's the point of having them anyway?
 
Shaggy said:
We have been reactive in this front the beginning. All the tools we had to prevent these have been scaled back. This was a disastrous response to this.

www.latimes.com

Trump administration ended pandemic early-warning program to detect coronaviruses

The program had worked with labs in Wuhan, China, and around the world to detect deadly viruses that could jump from animals to humans.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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Perfect response. Wouldnt have mattered cause they wouldnt have let anyone in to help or if they where inside china they would have muzzled,kicked out. Another nice try Shaggy.
 
NCSNOW said:
Perfect response. Wouldnt have mattered cause they wouldnt have let anyone in to help or if they where inside china they would have muzzled,kicked out. Another nice try Shaggy.
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Maybe so but then again we will never know.

As far as numbers go we are adding more and more cases every day by the 10s of thousands. We better hope the number needing hospitalization comes down or we are going to see a crushing blow to the hotspots HC system.
 
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