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Yellow Snow said:
Nothing was "overburdened" in early February - all the city government in NO had to do was issue a statement saying "We regret to announce that Mardi Gras events are cancelled this year". If that had been done, it's very possible NO wouldn't be dealing with twice the cases that metro Atlanta is dealing with right now.
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:rolleyes: ugh, at no point did I say or imply the system was already overburdened in early February, in preparation for it to become overburdened federal resources should have already been deployed or in preparation to be deployed which they clearly weren't.

There's this thing called reading comprehension, I think you should give it a try.

Hey what do I know, I only spent 2 years in emergency management at the state level...
 
Webberweather53 said:
:rolleyes: ugh, at no point did I say or imply the system was already overburdened in early February, in preparation for it to become overburdened federal resources should have already been deployed or in preparation to be deployed which they clearly weren't.

There's this thing called reading comprehension, I think you should give it a try.
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My original post was making the observation that it was insane the officials in Louisiana didn't cancel Mardi Gras, even after the global PHEIC and the national PHE were declared in late January. Perhaps you didn't "comprehend" that point:
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Hey what do I know, I only spent 2 years in emergency management at the state level...
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Argument from authority fallacy? Sad!
 
With the adjustments they made to the Georgia noon numbers, we will most likely pass 4000 confirmed cases when the 7:00 update is released. The updated noon numbers was 3929 cases and 111 deaths
 
Yellow Snow said:
My original post was making the observation that it was insane the officials in Louisiana didn't cancel Mardi Gras, even after the global PHEIC and the national PHE were declared in late January. Perhaps you didn't "comprehend" that point:
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Don't forget about the part where you just put words in my mouth.

Hold up, you mean to tell me that with my two years of actual on-the-job experience, I can actually & rightfully say I probably know a lot more than you do about emergency management? What a revelation!

Oh, let's also not forget, you were the one that took it upon yourself and went completely out of your way to personally attack and lecture me about the incident command system.

You're adorable.
 
Webberweather53 said:
:rolleyes: ugh, at no point did I say or imply the system was already overburdened in early February, in preparation for it to become overburdened federal resources should have already been deployed or in preparation to be deployed which they clearly weren't.

There's this thing called reading comprehension, I think you should give it a try.

Hey what do I know, I only spent 2 years in emergency management at the state level...
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Early Feb you say.....on Feb 5, HHS Secretary Azar requested $2 billion to buy respirator masks & other supplies for the national stockpile, Trump cut that request by 75%...…..

Going to be over 700 deaths in the US probably today, Italy has over 800, Spain 700.....over 4k deaths worldwide....and that's with a lot of the world on lockdown....its easy to see how something like the Spanish Flu was so bad 100 yrs ago.
 
LithiaWx said:
Chart Dr. Birx just showed on the briefing is scary. 100-240k US deaths IF we all follow the rules. Oh my god
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Listening to the press conference, they crawfished a lot on that number. If I heard right, that projection is based on several big metros becoming like NYC and both DRs said we could go considerbly below it. Interesting enough, it was actually Trump who stepped in and reliterated the 100k was the lowest count.
 
Downeastnc said:
Early Feb you say.....on Feb 5, HHS Secretary Azar requested $2 billion to buy respirator masks & other supplies for the national stockpile, Trump cut that request by 75%...…..

Going to be over 700 deaths in the US probably today, Italy has over 800, Spain 700.....over 4k deaths worldwide....and that's with a lot of the world on lockdown....its easy to see how something like the Spanish Flu was so bad 100 yrs ago.
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Big shocker! Could you imagine if we accepted his request and better yet, decided both from a health and business standpoint to ramp up domestic production of respirators, N95 masks, starting then, where we'd be? Sure hindsight is 20-20, but what would we have honestly lost by that juncture by "overreacting" to this "hoax"? Even in the unlikely scenario disease was not a very big deal in the US, we could reasonably give away, or better yet sell these products at an affordable rate to other nations around the globe who needed them asap in the weeks that immediately followed and it would have created more jobs and you could argue, momentarily buttress our economy for the downward slide that was inevitably going to come knocking given other economies (esp China) were in shambles.

Even if you're a cold-hearted, completely unfeeling big whig in business, you have to admit from that standpoint this was arguably one of the dumbest purely business decisions the administration could have made. Live and learn.
 
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Webberweather53 said:
Big shocker! Could you imagine if we accepted his request and better yet, decided both from a health and business standpoint to ramp up domestic production of respirators, N95 masks, starting then, where we'd be? Sure hindsight is 20-20, but what would we have honestly lost by that juncture by "overreacting" to this "hoax"? Even in the unlikely scenario disease was not a very big deal in the US, we could reasonably give away, or better yet sell these products at an affordable rate to other nations around the globe who needed them asap in the weeks that immediately followed and it would have created more jobs and you could argue, momentarily buttress our economy for the downward slide that was inevitably going to come knocking given other economies (esp China) were in shambles.
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Add accepting the WHO tests when offered we could gave been way ahead of this.
 
Poimen said:
Fantastic review:

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Some of this is easy to see now. Hindsight is always 2020. President Trump had to go with the intelligence he was getting at the times. For instance, mid January the WHO said no human to human spread. Later Jan, Dr. Fauci said Americans in general don't need to worry about it.

Linkhttps://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/479939-government-health-agency-official-corona-virus-isnt-something-the

Also, President Trump was pretty distracted at the time. Remember the impeachment hearings. Immediately after that I do believe "some" Democrats, MSM were trying to use this politically whether they believed the virus was a problem or not, they could hurt Trump. Once the second week of March got here it became pretty obvious to all we have a problem. The degree is still debatable of course.

A lot of don't like President Trump in the first place while others of us do which makes us biased either way. I for one know President Trump isn't perfect. That's obvious! I do think he has done a pretty good job overall listening to his medical advisors and going with the info he had. Maybe a little slow. Just look at this board. All of us don't have all the same information he has and we all have different, sometimes quite passionate ideas, including myself.
 
Snow_chaser said:
Georgia 4117 and 125 deaths
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These data represent confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the Georgia Department of Public Health.
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My local county has slowed down a good bit and hopefully for good. We spiked early with that one church so hopefully we’ve turned a corner.
 
EmersonGA said:
My local county has slowed down a good bit and hopefully for good. We spiked early with that one church so hopefully we’ve turned a corner.
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our county is just south of yours and our numbers are steadily increasing. We are at 31 cases and just e days ago we weren’t half that
 
Snow_chaser said:
our county is just south of yours and our numbers are steadily increasing. We are at 31 cases and just e days ago we weren’t half that
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That’s where we were not long ago. One choir practice blew up the counties numbers quickly.
 
tazaroo said:
Some of this is easy to see now. Hindsight is always 2020. President Trump had to go with the intelligence he was getting at the times. For instance, mid January the WHO said no human to human spread. Later Jan, Dr. Fauci said Americans in general don't need to worry about it.

Linkhttps://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/479939-government-health-agency-official-corona-virus-isnt-something-the

Also, President Trump was pretty distracted at the time. Remember the impeachment hearings. Immediately after that I do believe "some" Democrats, MSM were trying to use this politically whether they believed the virus was a problem or not, they could hurt Trump. Once the second week of March got here it became pretty obvious to all we have a problem. The degree is still debatable of course.

A lot of don't like President Trump in the first place while others of us do which makes us biased either way. I for one know President Trump isn't perfect. That's obvious! I do think he has done a pretty good job overall listening to his medical advisors and going with the info he had. Maybe a little slow. Just look at this board. All of us don't have all the same information he has and we all have different, sometimes quite passionate ideas, including myself.
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Lol this is BS. Quit defending the man, he’s done a poor job. I could give you a million quotes that back this up but it would take all night. It’s just simply sad that we are seeing people continue to say he’s doing a good job. It’s sad.

He has no doubt, 110% changed his tone. (Which is a great thing)

He was being advised, but he no doubt ignored advice.

He WITHOUT DOUBT downplayed this, not just early on, but while it was ongoing. While deaths were occurring in the US he downplayed this, and Dr. Fauci contradicted him left and right.

I honesty can’t believe you’re mentioning Dr. Fauci in a poor light to defend trump. It’s because his advisers? Please.

No one was advising him correctly? Is that the defense? Is that why senators on the intel committee sold all their stocks when the Dow was still at 29k?? Trump’s government had the facts. The White House had the data and projections. Trump just thought with his wallet above American lives.
 
This graph is somewhat misleading since we dont have real total numbers of infected and dead worldwide. We only have the numbers we have and the trend among those numbers is a bit concerning when it comes to closed cases. We want these lines separating instead of tightening.
 

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Kemp to hold a 5:00 briefing tomorrow. Waiting until 5:00 I’m not going to get my hopes up that a lot of useful info will come from it.
 
Jon said:
Lol this is BS. Quit defending the man, he’s done a poor job. I could give you a million quotes that back this up but it would take all night. It’s just simply sad that we are seeing people continue to say he’s doing a good job. It’s sad.

He has no doubt, 110% changed his tone. (Which is a great thing)

He was being advised, but he no doubt ignored advice.

He WITHOUT DOUBT downplayed this, not just early on, but while it was ongoing. While deaths were occurring in the US he downplayed this, and Dr. Fauci contradicted him left and right.

I honesty can’t believe you’re mentioning Dr. Fauci in a poor light to defend trump. It’s because his advisers? Please.

No one was advising him correctly? Is that the defense? Is that why senators on the intel committee sold all their stocks when the Dow was still at 29k?? Trump’s government had the facts. The White House had the data and projections. Trump just thought with his wallet above American lives.
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Dr. Fauci has said many of times, that Trump has done a good job.
 
Jon said:
Lol this is BS. Quit defending the man, he’s done a poor job. I could give you a million quotes that back this up but it would take all night. It’s just simply sad that we are seeing people continue to say he’s doing a good job. It’s sad.

He has no doubt, 110% changed his tone. (Which is a great thing)

He was being advised, but he no doubt ignored advice.

He WITHOUT DOUBT downplayed this, not just early on, but while it was ongoing. While deaths were occurring in the US he downplayed this, and Dr. Fauci contradicted him left and right.

I honesty can’t believe you’re mentioning Dr. Fauci in a poor light to defend trump. It’s because his advisers? Please.

No one was advising him correctly? Is that the defense? Is that why senators on the intel committee sold all their stocks when the Dow was still at 29k?? Trump’s government had the facts. The White House had the data and projections. Trump just thought with his wallet above American lives.
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Look, you can believe whatever you want. Obviously you hate President Trump, just like I mentioned in my post we all have our biasis. I gave you a direct quote from Dr Fauci when he didn't think it was a problem. It took awhile before he changed his tune. I sure sure don't remember him and Trump having big disagreements. It doesn't matter what I say as you obviously are not going to change your mind. He was most likely trying to stay optimistic. The intelligence committee, both parties, must have known it would at least cause stocks to fall, I give you that.

I don't appreciate appreciate you calling my post bs. I have my opinion and you have yours.
 
Shaggy said:
This graph is somewhat misleading since we dont have real total numbers of infected and dead worldwide. We only have the numbers we have and the trend among those numbers is a bit concerning when it comes to closed cases. We want these lines separating instead of tightening.
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I don’t think the US has listed many if any recoveries yet. Not sure why.
 
Jon said:
Lol this is BS. Quit defending the man, he’s done a poor job. I could give you a million quotes that back this up but it would take all night. It’s just simply sad that we are seeing people continue to say he’s doing a good job. It’s sad.

He has no doubt, 110% changed his tone. (Which is a great thing)

He was being advised, but he no doubt ignored advice.

He WITHOUT DOUBT downplayed this, not just early on, but while it was ongoing. While deaths were occurring in the US he downplayed this, and Dr. Fauci contradicted him left and right.

I honesty can’t believe you’re mentioning Dr. Fauci in a poor light to defend trump. It’s because his advisers? Please.

No one was advising him correctly? Is that the defense? Is that why senators on the intel committee sold all their stocks when the Dow was still at 29k?? Trump’s government had the facts. The White House had the data and projections. Trump just thought with his wallet above American lives.
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Look, I am not a Trump basher, and I would argue that he has been attacked unfairly on a lot of issues and misrepresented to an astonishing degree over the last 4 years.

But on this issue he deserves a lot of criticism. Like it or not, he IS the leader of the free world, and the buck stops right here, with him. He has the choice to lead from in front or from behind. He clearly chose the latter.

If we assume the he believes what he Tweets, the you have only 2 conclusions to draw from his early opinions on this issue:

1) He was clueless
2) He was lying

Neither of those is good leadership. I'll give him stopping travel from China. But sticking your finger in a hole in a dam as the dam is cracking, while saying it's all good, is not good leadership.

He, Federal, State, and local governments, as well as the CDC and the WHO were all behind the curve on this...except, of course, those that sold their stocks near the highs.

I'm not saying Trump himself was doing anything nefarious, but some were. And I'd argue that the WHO was intentionally misleading.
 
tazaroo said:
Look, you can believe whatever you want. Obviously you hate President Trump, just like I mentioned in my post we all have our biasis. I gave you a direct quote from Dr Fauci when he didn't think it was a problem. It took awhile before he changed his tune. I sure sure don't remember him and Trump having big disagreements. It doesn't matter what I say as you obviously are not going to change your mind. He was most likely trying to stay optimistic. The intelligence committee, both parties, must have known it would at least cause stocks to fall, I give you that.

I don't appreciate appreciate you calling my post bs. I have my opinion and you have yours.
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It’s not opinion! That’s the thing. This can be proved, and is very easy to prove. Facts aren’t opinions. Quotes aren’t opinions. That’s all I’m going to say.

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Rain Cold said:
Look, I am not a Trump basher, and I would argue that he has been attacked unfairly on a lot of issues and misrepresented to an astonishing degree over the last 4 years.

But on this issue he deserves a lot of criticism. Like it or not, he IS the leader of the free world, and the buck stops right here, with him. He has the choice to lead from in front or from behind. He clearly chose the latter.

If we assume the he believes what he Tweets, the you have only 2 conclusions to draw from his early opinions on this issue:

1) He was clueless
2) He was lying

Neither of those is good leadership. I'll give him stopping travel from China. But sticking your finger in a hole in a dam as the dam is cracking, while saying it's all good, is not good leadership.

He, Federal, State, and local governments, as well as the CDC and the WHO were all behind the curve on this...except, of course, those that sold their stocks near the highs.

I'm not saying Trump himself was doing anything nefarious, but some were. And I'd argue that the WHO was intentionally misleading.
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I agree 100%

I’ve disagreed with the WHO throughout most of this. Absolutely disgusting job.

I’m just glad Trump has changed his tune. He’s letting the experts talk more and more, and really punching it home. Hopefully, it’s not too late.
 
Shaggy said:
A little over 4k if I am not mistaken
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That is good. The spot is was checking wasn’t showing any.
I’m my county is trying to get the residents to download an app to report symptoms to the county so they can track the spread. Weird.
 
Jon said:
It’s not opinion! That’s the thing. This can be proved, and is very easy to prove. Facts aren’t opinions. Quotes aren’t opinions. That’s all I’m going to say.

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They left out a biggie with him complaining of allowing the cruise passengers off because it will just increase the numbers.
 
Shaggy said:
They left out a biggie with him complaining of allowing the cruise passengers off because it will just increase the numbers.
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There’s a lot left out it’s just the most comprehensive list I can find (and the last bias besides the GOP in the title referring to Burr)...some lists are a little extreme with wording, this one seemed fair.


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EmersonGA said:
That is good. The spot is was checking wasn’t showing any.
I’m my county is trying to get the residents to download an app to report symptoms to the county so they can track the spread. Weird.
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Worldometer is showing 6,461 recovered cases in the US.
 
Jon said:
Lol this is BS. Quit defending the man, he’s done a poor job. I could give you a million quotes that back this up but it would take all night. It’s just simply sad that we are seeing people continue to say he’s doing a good job. It’s sad.

He has no doubt, 110% changed his tone. (Which is a great thing)

He was being advised, but he no doubt ignored advice.

He WITHOUT DOUBT downplayed this, not just early on, but while it was ongoing. While deaths were occurring in the US he downplayed this, and Dr. Fauci contradicted him left and right.

I honesty can’t believe you’re mentioning Dr. Fauci in a poor light to defend trump. It’s because his advisers? Please.

No one was advising him correctly? Is that the defense? Is that why senators on the intel committee sold all their stocks when the Dow was still at 29k?? Trump’s government had the facts. The White House had the data and projections. Trump just thought with his wallet above American lives.
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The whole world downplayed this. Like I have said many times, its real easy to talk ---- about the job somebody else has done when you arent a decision maker. YOU arent in charge of 300 million people. YOU aren't in charge of the worlds largest economy. For all the book sense you have, you dont have a lick of understanding the difficulty of the position any world leader is put in. While the man was being impeached over a bunch of BS he was assembling that team of experts. Those early restrictions saved lives. The only thing you have is a bunch of qoutes, articles and poor, rambling press conferences that dont have jack ---- to do with saving peoples lives. Its not Trumps fault he has to deal with a media dead set against crediting him for a damn thing. Rating his job performance because he cant stop talking about himself is petty. To suggest its sad because others support his leadership is even worse. Our country wasnt woefully unprepared because if Trump I can assure you but we are going to come out on the better end of the mortality rate because of the leadership that you and a few others refuse to see and dont want to see. We have a lot of smart, hardworking and innovative people doing the best they can and the best YOU have to offer is qoutes? And here I thought you were smart enough to be above all of that.
 
What is really the most disgusting and disturbing element in all of this is the desire to hide or obscure both the scope of the virus and the lack of testing capability and things happening in some healthcare facilities. I never thought I'd see shadows of Chinese tactics becoming mainstream in the US. It makes me sad, and a little frightened.
 
Sandbar said:
The whole world downplayed this. Like I have said many times, its real easy to talk poop about the job somebody else has done when you arent a decision maker. YOU arent in charge of 300 million people. YOU aren't in charge of the worlds largest economy. For all the book sense you have, you dont have a lick of understanding the difficulty of the position any world leader is put in. While the man was being impeached over a bunch of BS he was assembling that team of experts. Those early restrictions saved lives. The only thing you have is a bunch of qoutes, articles and poor, rambling press conferences that dont have jack poop to do with saving peoples lives. Its not Trumps fault he has to deal with a media dead set against crediting him for a damn thing. Rating his job performance because he cant stop talking about himself is petty. To suggest its sad because others support his leadership is even worse. Our country wasnt woefully unprepared because if Trump I can assure you but we are going to come out on the better end of the mortality rate because of the leadership that you and a few others refuse to see and dont want to see. We have a lot of smart, hardworking and innovative people doing the best they can and the best YOU have to offer is qoutes? And here I thought you were smart enough to be above all of that.
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We are NOT the whole world. If I could figure out what was going to happen, then the really smart people sure could have. Unless they did and didn't care.
 
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