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Yellow Snow said:
So you mean to tell me that Democrat mayors and governors aren't intellectually capable of making their own decisions (based on evidence widely available in the public domain) without prodding from Trump?

Actually, you might have a point there...
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The evidence that conservatives (even from their own puppet news networks) were taking this less seriously for the last several weeks is pretty irrefutable and ubiquitous. Collectively this was an obvious nationwide trend, despite the tons of variation in opinion across individual parties and many democrats initially adopting a laissez-faire policy as well...

Even 2-3 weeks later when the issue became increasingly too large to ignore, we were spoon-fed a bunch of happy talk and outright lies largely by the Trump admin and conservative talking heads & their constituency to prevent widespread "panic". Instead we still got panic which coupled to leaving many Americans complacent and the US was woefully unprepared, & now we're paying the price for our incompetence (shocking I know).
 
Heelyes said:
Everything is hard to get locally right now. Tell your friend to look online. Johhnys seeds, victory or territorial are among a few I use
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If your going to transplant Tomamtoes, raising from seed folks need to get a move on. Everything else with the exception of peppers and Tomatoe plants we do straight from seed. There are alot of folks who prefer to transpkant everything, squash,cucumber etc. But thise will sprout right up, easy good results. Same with Beans and corn.
 
Steven_1974 said:
As part of the order then: “While this virus poses a serious public health threat, the risk to the American public remains low at this time, and we are working to keep this risk low,”

They definitely didn't enact or encourage any measures to help at the time. They said the risk remains low.
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And at that time it was.
 
NCSNOW said:
If your going to transplant Tomamtoes, raising from seed folks need to get a move on. Everything else with the exception of peppers and Tomatoe plants we do straight from seed. There are alot of folks who prefer to transpkant everything, squash,cucumber etc. But thise will sprout right up, easy good results. Same with Beans and corn.
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Same here, I only transplant tomatoes and peppers. Everything else is planted as seed.
 
Yellow Snow said:
So you mean to tell me that Democrat mayors and governors aren't intellectually capable of making their own decisions (based on evidence widely available in the public domain) without prodding from Trump?

Actually, you might have a point there...
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Pretty obvious to me that some can't, especially in NO. Apparently the only thing they learned from Katrina was to blame the republican president
 
Webberweather53 said:
The evidence that conservatives (even from their own puppet news networks) were taking this less seriously for the last several weeks is pretty irrefutable and ubiquitous. Collectively this was an obvious nationwide trend, despite the tons of variation in opinion across individual parties and many democrats initially adopting a laissez-faire policy as well...

Even 2-3 weeks later when the issue became increasingly too large to ignore, we were spoon-fed a bunch of happy talk and outright lies largely by the Trump admin and conservative talking heads & their constituency to prevent widespread "panic". Instead we still got panic which coupled to leaving many Americans complacent and the US was woefully unprepared, & now we're paying the price for our incompetence (shocking I know).
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You're obviously not familiar with how the national incident command system for disaster preparedness & response works, so let me help you out: it's not a top-down but a bottom-up system; the primary responsibility resides with individuals, then municipal governments, then county governments, then the state government, and lastly the federal government.

These tiers of emergency management responsibility are one of the first things they teach you in FEMA's introductory ICS 100 course.

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Yellow Snow said:
You're obviously not familiar with how the national incident command system for disaster preparedness & response works, so let me help you out: it's not a top-down but a bottom-up system; the primary responsibility resides with individuals, then municipal governments, then county governments, then the state government, and lastly the federal government.

These tiers of emergency management responsibility are one of the first things they teach you in FEMA's introductory ICS 100 course.

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Umm, I'm actually very familiar with the incident command system, I worked for the state government at NC Emergency Management for a while when I attended NC State and constructed lesson plans and career pathways for every position at NCEM, took every class they offered, and assisted with disaster response during Hurricane Matthew, so you really don't need to lecture me on how emergency management works, you're barking up the wrong tree there buddy.
 
Sandbar said:
Pretty obvious to me that some can't, especially in NO. Apparently the only thing they learned from Katrina was to blame the republican president
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I'll never forget it - we got warning orders to be prepared for possible emergency support operations on Aug. 25th, five days before the Aug. 29th landfall. Of course I was glued to the TV all weekend, expecting Mayor Nagin to pull the trigger on a mandatory evacuation for New Orleans at any minute. Friday came & went - nothing. Saturday came & went - nothing. By early Sunday morning (the day before landfall) I was literally yelling at the TV in disbelief.

The order finally came later that day, but by then it was far, far too late. Years later Nagin was convicted of graft & bribery charges and is now serving a federal prison sentence, but that's a whole other story.
 
So, what are the odds that this thing is actually airborne too? I mean with the sheer number of cases going up like they are, you have to wonder. I know part of that is just the increase in testing, but still.
 
Webberweather53 said:
Umm, I'm actually very familiar with the incident command system, I worked for the state government at NC Emergency Management for a while when I attended NC State and constructed lesson plans and career pathways for every position at NCEM, took every class they offered, and assisted with disaster response during Hurricane Matthew, so you really don't need to lecture me on how emergency management works, you're barking up the wrong tree there buddy.
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This link has the actual plan Trump could have used, its a detailed step by step system, you can read every word and look at all the graphs and data they had, it is a good plan to use especially if there is not any other option other than winging it...if Trump and his team had followed it we would have been much better off....

www.politico.com

Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook

The 69-page document, finished in 2016, provided a step by step list of priorities – which were then ignored by the administration.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
 
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Downeastnc said:
This link has the actual plan Trump could have used, its a detailed step by step system, you can read every word and look at all the graphs and data they had it is a good plan to use especially if there is not any other option other than winging it...if Trump and his team had followed it we would have been much better off....

www.politico.com

Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook

The 69-page document, finished in 2016, provided a step by step list of priorities – which were then ignored by the administration.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
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Hey --- bitchin' at each other may relieve pressure but it doesn't solve a problem ... in this case fractured 3rd party nerves ...
 
Downeastnc said:
This link has the actual plan Trump could have used, its a detailed step by step system, you can read every word and look at all the graphs and data they had, it is a good plan to use especially if there is not any other option other than winging it...if Trump and his team had followed it we would have been much better off....

www.politico.com

Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook

The 69-page document, finished in 2016, provided a step by step list of priorities – which were then ignored by the administration.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
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Definitely don't disagree with the points outlined in the document, certainly would be beating a dead horse to reinforce them.

I'm honestly still very insulted someone just tried to tell me that I have no idea what I'm talking about and should familiarize myself the incident command system & emergency management, spare me....

As an important aside, I worked in the planning and homeland security branch (usually just referred to as planning) of the NC State Government's department of public safety and it was MY JOB for two years to recommend courses for other emergency managers to take so they could advance their career(s) in the department, so you could only imagine how much work I had to do, sifting through the hundreds of courses that were offered, understanding the skillset of literally every single emergency manager in all branches of emergency management and trying to fit courses that were not only applicable to their current job, but providing them ones that would advance them to "x" position.

Here's an example of a portion of the training I had to develop for all employees in the operations section. Training would change obviously for each position in the department.

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Downeastnc said:
This link has the actual plan Trump could have used, its a detailed step by step system, you can read every word and look at all the graphs and data they had, it is a good plan to use especially if there is not any other option other than winging it...if Trump and his team had followed it we would have been much better off....
www.politico.com

Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook

The 69-page document, finished in 2016, provided a step by step list of priorities – which were then ignored by the administration.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
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Well, you can believe Politico's spin, or you can read the document yourself. For example, take note of the operational phases for an international emerging infectious disease threat: 2a (the PHEIC) didn't happen until Jan. 30th, and - as has been noted here many times - the US issued its own national PHE the very next day.

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Webberweather53 said:
Definitely don't disagree with the points outlined in the document, certainly would be beating a dead horse to reinforce them.

I'm honestly still very insulted someone just tried to tell me that I have no idea what I'm talking about and should familiarize myself the incident command system & emergency management, spare me....

As an important aside, I worked in the planning and homeland security branch (usually just referred to as planning) of the NC State Government's department of public safety and it was MY JOB for two years to recommend courses for other emergency managers to take so they could advance their career(s) in the department, so you could only imagine how much work I had to do, sifting through the hundreds of courses that were offered, understanding the skillset of literally every single emergency manager in all branches of emergency management and trying to fit courses that were not only applicable to their current job, but providing them ones that would advance them to "x" position.

Here's an example of a portion of the training I had to develop for all employees in the operations section. Training would change obviously for each position in the department.

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Apologies if your tender feelings were hurt, but that means you of all people should know local & state emergency managers don't sit on their hands waiting for a POTUS to lead them by the nose.
 
Heelyes said:
Everything is hard to get locally right now. Tell your friend to look online. Johhnys seeds, victory or territorial are among a few I use
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I save a bunch of seed so I should be able to help him out but those are good resources. Southeast Exposure Seed Company is a favorite of mine for what they do to help endangered Southern Apps seeds.
 
Yellow Snow said:
Apologies if your tender feelings were hurt, but that means you of all people should know local & state emergency managers don't sit on their hands waiting for a POTUS to lead them by the nose.
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Are you done yet? I am probably the very last person you should be trying to talk down to on this forum about emergency management.

The president and his administration has the power to immediately begin deploying federal resources (in particular, FEMA) to assist in disaster response and recovery efforts when state resources are (or are going to be) exhausted even before local disaster declarations are declared, and this usually happens ya know when you have a regional or national crisis, of course CoV dwarfs any natural disaster we've ever seen in terms of national-scale impact so it's a pretty big deal to get support from the feds asap. Dropped the ball by several weeks in that regard.

Instead of acting, they sat on their hands and pointed fingers at the democratic party for overblowing the crisis when they weren't taking it seriously.

Effective emergency management response requires adequate strategic planning, regular exercises, (and then more planning and more exercises, this usually tends to go on for days, if not weeks at a time (for Matthew (2016) for ex planning and homeland security exercises went on for about 3 days or so on top of the exercises that are normally conducted every year for every type of disaster and plans are constantly being tweaked over the course of the entire year (which my department was obviously in charge of)), in addition to communication (arguably the most important one) and finally, competence, coherence at all levels of government, the last bit we clearly failed.
 
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Webberweather53 said:
Are you done yet? I am probably the very last person you should be trying to talk down to on this forum about emergency management.

The president and his administration has the power to immediately begin deploying federal resources (in particular, FEMA) to assist in disaster response and recovery efforts when state resources are (or are going to be) exhausted even before local disaster declarations are declared, and this usually happens ya know when you have a regional or national crisis, of course CoV dwarfs any natural disaster we've ever seen in terms of national-scale impact so it's a pretty big deal to get support from the feds asap. Dropped the ball by several weeks in that regard.

Instead of acting, they sat on their hands and pointed fingers at the democratic party for overblowing the crisis when they weren't taking it seriously.

Effective emergency management response requires adequate strategic planning, regular exercises, (and then more planning and more exercises, this usually tends to go on for days, if not weeks at a time (for Matthew (2016) for ex planning and homeland security exercises went on for about 3 days or so on top of the exercises that are normally conducted every year for every type of disaster and plans are constantly being tweaked over the course of the entire year), in addition to communication (arguably the most important one) and finally, competence, coherence at all levels of government, the last bit we clearly failed.
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And yet somehow many in the private sector made hard choices in January and early February without Trump having to spoon-feed them, by simply evaluating the available data themselves. Why couldn't Mayor Cantrell and Governor Edwards do the same?

www.eventmanagerblog.com

Why is Coronavirus Forcing Planners to Cancel Events?

Last week was one that the event industry will remember for a while. We have to go back to the 2009 credit crunch to find such a potent wave of
www.eventmanagerblog.com www.eventmanagerblog.com
 
EmersonGA said:
I save a bunch of seed so I should be able to help him out but those are good resources. Southeast Exposure Seed Company is a favorite of mine for what they do to help endangered Southern Apps seeds.
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You mean Southern Exposure Seed Company, and yes, they are the best IMHO. Ira Wallace is a wealth of knowledge and her book Vegetable Gardening in the Southeast is a must have.
 
SC has a new 1 day high of 158 cases and 4 additional deaths. We desperately need a shelter in place ordinance here. We broke the 1K mark today as well.
 
Yellow Snow said:
And yet somehow many in the private sector made hard choices in January and early February without Trump having to spoon-feed them, by simply evaluating the available data themselves. Why couldn't Mayor Cantrell and Governor Edwards do the same?

www.eventmanagerblog.com

Why is Coronavirus Forcing Planners to Cancel Events?

Last week was one that the event industry will remember for a while. We have to go back to the 2009 credit crunch to find such a potent wave of
www.eventmanagerblog.com www.eventmanagerblog.com
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You wouldn't suppose that's because the state and local emergency management response when it's expected to become overburdened, is almost entirely exclusively dependent on the federal government? Speaking from my own first-hand experience, there's only so much planning you can do at a local and state level irrespective of entities like FEMA, if you don't have (or know) the proper (amount of) support (you'll generally receive (if at all)) from the feds right from the outset and as early as possible, it completely screws with preparedness efforts and throws a massive wrench in drills and exercises that are conducted every year and immediately preceding a disaster, communication (especially in the logistics and operations branch) is pivotal in the preceding stages to eradicate potential failure points, and this lack of preparedness unfortunately does trickle down from the feds all the way to state emergency management directors, the local area coordinators and even emergency operation centers.
 
Webberweather53 said:
You wouldn't suppose that's because the state and local emergency management response when it's expected to become overburdened, is almost entirely exclusively dependent on the federal government? Speaking from my own first-hand experience, there's only so much planning you can do at a local and state level irrespective of entities like FEMA, if you don't have (or know) the proper (amount of) support (you'll generally receive (if at all)) from the feds right from the outset and as early as possible, it completely screws with preparedness efforts and throws a massive wrench in drills and exercises that are conducted every year and immediately preceding a disaster, communication (especially in the logistics and operations branch) is pivotal in the preceding stages to eradicate potential failure points, and this lack of preparedness unfortunately does trickle down from the feds all the way to state emergency management directors, the local area coordinators and even emergency operation centers.
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Nothing was "overburdened" in early February - all the city government in NO had to do was issue a statement saying "We regret to announce that Mardi Gras events are cancelled this year". If that had been done, it's very possible NO wouldn't be dealing with twice the cases that metro Atlanta is dealing with right now.
 
Heard on the radio that UAB has 51 in the hospital for Covid. I actually think that is less than last week. I’m pretty sure it was in the 80s.
 
Food shopping update...

Today was probably the best it's gone in the last couple weeks! Ground chicken was picked up, and it led to us having spaghetti and meatballs tonight, and that was pretty good, a chicken was picked up (that wasn't a rotisserie although that kind of chicken is good), veal was picked up and we're going to have a veal pot roast at some point, and we're going to have spare ribs. Those were the highlights.

Still no essentials like toilet paper or Clorox wipes, so while we might be settling in in ways, it's not totally normal. Dad getting that tip at the Dollar General that's under a mile away is likely our ticket to usually having toilet paper for a while.
 
pcbjr said:
Then follow the rules so it isn't 400K plus ... if anyone is reading and comprehending ...
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Great point. With the size of our country and the spread if this virus that seems like a horrific number but 100,000 - 200,000 isnt a crazy number for a country of 300 million. If they get NY under control and stop more NY from happening it will be a victory against this virus
 
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