I’m following Patton.
“My flanks are something for the enemy to worry about, not me. Before he finds out where my flanks are, I'll be cutting the bastard's throat.”- General George S. Patton
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I’m following Patton.
“My flanks are something for the enemy to worry about, not me. Before he finds out where my flanks are, I'll be cutting the bastard's throat.”- General George S. Patton
Im just remembering how Greece just about defaulted in its debt a few years ago, and Italy isn’t far from it based on their credit rating and a google search.
My main point was that we walk a very thin line here and as we go, goes the rest of the world. Right now they can handle the lock down in Europe as we can, but that time will come when the US will have to break it for not only our sake but the world’s sake.
There isn’t unrest yet, but should the world go into a depression and Italy defaults and you lose that healthcare and all those retirement accounts and that place will go haywire.
That's good they are building them.
Who do we get to man them? I know we got retired doctors and nurses being contacted, which will help. Is that enough not to reach critical capacity?
Here is an article when Greece almost defaulted.
www.google.com
Panic, frustration as Greece nears debt default
Fearful of a bank run, the Greek government shut down banks for this week pending a vote Sunday on accepting austerity measures
www.google.com
Yellow Snow
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Makes me want to watch the 'Patton' movie again!
George C. Scott is just great at playing generals - I enjoyed his performance as General Turgidson just as much as Patton.
Webberweather53
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I agree those countries had economic issues and we should avoid a depression.
Are you saying the only way to avoid a worldwide depression is not to shutdown like other countries? And that we should do so no matter the fear of losses?
Nerman
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In the metro Atlanta area, the researchers say if just 20 percent of the population gets infected in the next six months, hospitals in the area would need nearly twice as many beds than they currently have.
www.11alive.com
Grady is the biggest hospital in the Atlanta area and is at capacity. They deal with more trauma victims (car accidents, burns, etc.) than anyone else. They also take in more patients without health insurance. If it is full then this will just spread outwards.
Grady Hospital 'at or near capacity' amid coronavirus pandemic as mayor says 'breaking point' is imminent
'What I am hearing from our infectious disease people is that we are at a critical, almost breaking point,' mayor says.
www.11alive.com
Grady is the biggest hospital in the Atlanta area and is at capacity. They deal with more trauma victims (car accidents, burns, etc.) than anyone else. They also take in more patients without health insurance. If it is full then this will just spread outwards.
Yellow Snow
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Who knows? It's the responsibility of each state to staff the facilities; here's what Georgia is doing to round up additional medical professionals:
Volunteer for COVID-19 Response
Atlanta, GA – The Georgia Department of Public Health (DPH) is receiving offers from medical professionals and other individuals looking for ways to help with the COVID-19 response. An effective response relies on volunteers who are pre-credentialed and organized. Georgia Responds is Georgia’s...
Webberweather53
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This will probably become a common theme across much of the US in very short order given our lack of testing and utter ineptitude from top to bottom (especially from the Republican party early on this crisis when many thought it was an overhyped media circus, hoax, nothingburger, or what have you). When the hospitals do get overwhelmed, the death rate will climb substantially and approach the number requiring ICU.
To say we're screwed right now is an understatement, it's gonna take some longer than others to see this unfortunately...
Update: Forsyth County will not be ordering a shelter in place. Based on the Commissioner's comments, I doubt we see one at all unless Kemp orders one for the state.
No I have no problem in shutting down to save people, it’s just more of the fact that at one point it will just have to end despite whatever is still happening.
Just because unrest isn’t happening in Europe yet, doesn’t mean it won’t and it maybe inevitable.
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This type of thinking is considered panic and over reacting. America could never not come back. That’s what I’ve been told and chastised for not having blinders on that everything is going to be utopia.
RollTide18
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Well for those who haven't noticed, the hospital crisis that people feared is here and just getting started.
Yellow Snow
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Here's some good info from the IRS (believe it or not, sometimes they are helpful):
www.irs.gov
Coronavirus Tax Relief and Economic Impact Payments | Internal Revenue Service
We are offering help for individuals, families, businesses, tax-exempt organizations and others – including health plans – affected by coronavirus (COVID-19).
I work I one of the large hospitals downtown and the ICU beds run near capacity this time of year without Covid 19. This shows the danger but is also misleading.
Webberweather53
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I desperately tried to convince many on here over a week ago that the healthcare system would get overloaded within a matter of a few weeks (around early April (ish)). Unfortunately, some didn't listen, and it looks like we're gonna be right on track to do just that.
Sandbar
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Well the generals tell the lower rank CO's to come up with a plan. We called it the good idea fairy. Now THERE is your herd of lawyers with 20 different answers...lol. If the plan works the man with the stripes and stars takes the credit. When it dont?.....we dont drink beer and listen to sugar magnolias
Shaggy
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I desperately tried to convince many on here over a week ago that the healthcare system would get overloaded within a matter of a few weeks (around early April (ish)). Unfortunately, some didn't listen, and it looks like we're gonna be right on track to do just that.
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We have hit the slope now we see how hard the slide down the slope of this crisis is going to be. Do we slowly slide down or do we go off the cliff.
Webberweather53
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That's kind of the point though of doing everything we can to contain the virus rather than being worried about opening the economy back up asap, if we know the system was already close to capacity, any additional instability would cause severe disruption. Our economy will recover in due time and will be much stronger than ever before be rest assured of that, you can't replace or put a price tag on human life. Unfortunately, a lot of innocent people are going to die because of sheer ineptitude and lack of general preparedness from top to bottom in handling this crisis.
Could you imagine where we'd be right now if most of us actually adequately prepared for this virus right from the very outset, like having enough tests available, masks and other medical supplies, instituting social distance measures considerably earlier, etc. instead of worrying about how much the liberal media was hyping this up?
As a scientist, this sort of incompetence early on from in large part, those in the Republican party (esp Trump), and a considerable sector of the public, makes you want to bang your head against the wall, hence why so many of my posts a week or two ago seemed very out of line and I came across as very harsh to other posters in this thread. But knowing what you do now, how much do you really blame me for being so upset? It's comforting to know that more people are finally seeing what I saw weeks ago/the writing on the wall and are taking this seriously (finally).
pcbjr
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Sandbar
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Screw that! Im canoeing his ass from 1 click with that TAC 338!
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Of course it’s all the conservatives fault. Well holding you to the economy will come back and no kids or families will go hungry or homeless. Also no increase in poverty either.
pcbjr
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Cuts both ways in this instance ... blame is or should be everywhere ...
but ... time to stop blaming and start friggin' doing ...
Birmingham enacts shelter in place ordinance that goes into effect immediately.
I'm sorry man. I wish that convinces me we'll have enough health care workers nationwide to not be overrun. It actually has the opposite effect to be honest. Some states will likely recruit more doctors than others, and the states might even compete with each other for those doctors. Competition is good most of the time, but not during disasters.Who knows? It's the responsibility of each state to staff the facilities; here's what Georgia is doing to round up additional medical professionals:
Volunteer for COVID-19 Response
Atlanta, GA – The Georgia Department of Public Health (DPH) is receiving offers from medical professionals and other individuals looking for ways to help with the COVID-19 response. An effective response relies on volunteers who are pre-credentialed and organized. Georgia Responds is Georgia’s...gov.georgia.gov
Aw well. Let's all hope I'm wrong to be concerned. lol
Dr. Strangelove is one of my favorites. Slim Pickens on the bomb riding like a bronc. Peter Sellers was a riot!!
Webberweather53
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The overwhelming majority of conservatives both in power and the public did not take this as seriously as the left from the very beginning and many are still completely oblivious and will cost thousands upon thousands of lives for their lack of more swift action. I'm wholly confident the economy will come back within a few years (or less). Would you rather have kids and families risk going into poverty or have many of their family members outright die? These are the kinds of decision(s) and options many will have to make and weigh, sooner rather than later.
Grateful Dead fan?
Snow_chaser
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So tired of hearing how we’re ramping up testing blah blah blah...... Maybe so in places like NY, but what the Hells going on in other places that there claiming isn’t being affected by the virus as bad. Maybe if people had the opportunity to be tested we would have a better idea, or maybe they don’t want to know. Just so frustrating hearing story after story in Georgia of people being told either they can’t be tested or they have to wait to be tested. How is it that a place like NY can test 60000 + and a place like Georgia now with over 1000 cases and 30 deaths only has done 5000 tests?
Hmmm. Fair enough.
I think you and I agree on more than you think, but I won't press further. Thanks for clarifying.
Yellow Snow
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Not every state is going to face a physician shortage, and new HHS waivers issued a couple of weeks ago now allow medical professionals to practice across state lines.
No one is saying we should be unconcerned, but nor should we melt down into wild histrionics - there is a middle ground between those extremes.
Heelyes
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So now they are saying six trillion!
snowlover91
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Who is saying what about six trillion? The stimulus bill?
pcbjr
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Without getting precise, that is roughly $14K per legal resident in this country ... ? ? ?
campamy
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Ya'll... Tennessee governor Bill Lee just called for all Tennessee schools to remain closed through 4/24. Seriously might have to re-home my high school freshman.
Heelyes
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Trump's team. Look it up
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