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GaWx said:
And watch the economy get even worse than would otherwise have been the case. So double whammy of more infections/deaths AND even worse economy.
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I am a lawyer who looks at facts for a living, but I do have a masters in economics as well, so maybe this has a little credibility ... Fact: This thing is not good and has the potential to get worse; Fact: A short term shutdown from a cost/benefit perspective far outweighs the price of this whole process carrying on for months. The economic rubber band can get so stretched over time it will not snap back, but with a short term pull on that same rubber band, and it will snap back. IMHO - where needed, shut down to the fullest extent practical for 3 weeks, make sure the folks impacted have access to necessities and some extra-coupon comforts, and get the train rolling again in May (or June if conditions still warrant) ...
 
Matthew70 said:
I think hospitals will be least of your concern when civil unrest breaks out. When people get hungry and their kids are hungry. A person will do what they must to feed their family. When there is no money to be spent then economy will not come back. So we sacrifice our kids futures to save 20k lives? I will give my life if I need to for my kids. It would be better for me to die than my kids go hungry. Life insurance will make sure of that.
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Why do you automatically think the economy will collapse and not come back if a lockdown is enforced?
 
Matthew70 said:
I think hospitals will be least of your concern when civil unrest breaks out. When people get hungry and their kids are hungry. A person will do what they must to feed their family.
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You are overreacting this nation has survived trials far worse than this in times where wealth and technology were even less and we came through. Great depression, Cold War, Two World Wars, Spanish Flu, Civil Rights Era unrest. Your fear and negativity is only a drain on yourself and the people around you.
 
Matthew70 said:
When people get hungry and their kids are hungry. A person will do what they must to feed their family.
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Go to the food bank at the church? SNAP? There are plenty of people already out there in that same situation. Have you seen the homeless parking lots set up for people living out of their cars?
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
Why do you automatically think the economy will collapse and not come back if a lockdown is enforced?
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I am saying after a few weeks. If we stay locked down for months. Look we all have different opinions. Let’s just see what happens. Hopefully it all works out. I am focused on my kids and family. That is what matters to me.
 
Heelyes said:
As of today over 12 percent of all known infected in the world are in this country. Three weeks ago we had a handful. What will it be in three weeks?
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"Known" being the key word there. We have poor understanding of what is happening in some of the most underdeveloped areas of sub-Saharan Africa and South America, and we still don't know what the true totals in China and Iran are because both those governments continue to lie through their teeth.
 
UAB is the major hospital in Birmingham. Went from 17 to 45 coronavirus patients in one day.
 

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Lickwx said:
You are overreacting this nation has survived trials far worse than this in times where wealth and technology were even less and we came through. Great depression, Cold War, Two World Wars, Spanish Flu, Civil Rights Era unrest. Your fear and negativity is only a drain on yourself and the people around you.
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Yes America will come back but to what degree. We also have a lot more people in world today and a lot more violence and people that only care about themselves. Big difference in today’s times and those times. Poverty was already increasing. People thinking that the world or even America will bounce back every time does not believe in history. Most civilizations reset. Look at Romans. The world is overdue for a reset. I live each day to its fullest. No Nation is invincible. Let’s just move on.
 
Yellow Snow said:
"Known" being the key word there. We have poor understanding of what is happening in some of the most underdeveloped areas of sub-Saharan Africa and South America, and we still don't know what the true totals in China and Iran are because both those governments continue to lie through their teeth.
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Another thing that is known is NYC is doubling every three days. At that rate without intervention they will be nearing one million in three weeks.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
We open it up, and get more money. And then take that money to buy beds and respirators to increase capacity for hospitals to help with preventing what's happening in Spain and Italy. Is this the argument?

Do you think we have enough time to do that?
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It was sarcasm. No i don't think there is time, time isn't the issue though, it's lack of supplies
 
Alright, let's try a different angle. Almost every country fighting this thing has had to lockdown to try stopping it. They looked at the data, and decided it was better to do that then let it run it's course.

Maybe they're wrong and we decide it's too risky for our economy. If so, then why? Is it because our nation is uniquely able to handle it? Is it because we don't think it will be a big deal? Is it because we're willing to accept the risk to elderly and those with preexisting conditions, and if they die in large numbers, we consider them acceptable losses?

With those countries deciding to lockdown, why haven't they melted down into civil unrest? Is it because they are uniquely setup not to let that happen, or is it because it hasn't happened yet?
 
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YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
Alright, let's try a different angle. Almost every country fighting this thing has had to lockdown to try stopping it. They looked at the data, and decided it was better to do that then let it run it's course.

Maybe they're wrong and we decide it's too risky for our economy. If so, then why? Is it because our nation is uniquely able to handle it? Is it because we don't think it will be a big deal? Is it because we're willing to accept the risk to elderly and those with preexisting conditions, and if they die in large numbers, we consider them acceptable losses?

Will those countries deciding to lockdown, why haven't they melted down into civil unrest? Is it because they are uniquely setup not to let that happen, or is it because it hasn't happened yet?
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**Grabs popcorn**
 
Matthew70 said:
I am saying after a few weeks. If we stay locked down for months. Look we all have different opinions. Let’s just see what happens. Hopefully it all works out. I am focused on my kids and family. That is what matters to me.
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Then start by decompressing a bit so your kids dont feed off of your emotions. Dont know how old your kids are but mine is 4 and he hears more than we think. We've had to stop playfully joking about it because yesterday he told his older brother not to eat his goldfish because they were supplies for "the zombie apocalypse".......your kids will feed off your anxiety, fear or playful joking.
 
Matthew70 said:
I think hospitals will be least of your concern when civil unrest breaks out. When people get hungry and their kids are hungry. A person will do what they must to feed their family. When there is no money to be spent then economy will not come back. So we sacrifice our kids futures to save 20k lives? I will give my life if I need to for my kids. It would be better for me to die than my kids go hungry. Life insurance will make sure of that.
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Your lack of understanding complex situations is actually pretty entertaining
 
Poimen said:
NC COVID-19 cases rise to 476 this afternoon. Will we eclipse 500 by midnight? Just like NY, the curve is steepening, not flattening.
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Its the mortality curve and hospitalization curve that matter. NC was at 476 probably 7 to 10 days ago. Alot dont get tagged because they just ride it out at home or show no symptoms.
So far , praise the Lord NC has 0 deaths.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
How do we keep from hospitals being overrun?
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When the president invoked Title 32 a few days ago, it was partly to provide funding & additional personnel for the ACE to convert buildings to serve as temporary hospitals.

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Matthew70 said:
I think hospitals will be least of your concern when civil unrest breaks out. When people get hungry and their kids are hungry. A person will do what they must to feed their family. When there is no money to be spent then economy will not come back. So we sacrifice our kids futures to save 20k lives? I will give my life if I need to for my kids. It would be better for me to die than my kids go hungry. Life insurance will make sure of that.
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Bruh, you think if we take our foot of the brakes on this virus we are only have 20K deaths? 1% - 3% death rate of America is 3 million - 9 million lives... and, that's at with everybody getting medical care, like ventilators, if they need it.

I get that you are trying to keep food on your table to feed your children, and a roof over their heads, but I have a pregnant asthmatic Wife, and an asthmatic child under 5.... I'm trying to keep them alive!
 
Some 3,000 tests are currently pending results in Mecklenburg County alone.
 
NCSNOW said:
Its the mortality curve and hospitalization curve that matter. NC was at 476 probably 7 to 10 days ago. Alot dont get tagged because they just ride it out at home or show no symptoms.
So far , praise the Lord NC has 0 deaths.
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I get that. The official number today is 476, so the actual number could 1000? Idk. But the curve is still steepening on all fronts.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
Alright, let's try a different angle. Almost every country fighting this thing has had to lockdown to try stopping it. They looked at the data, and decided it was better to do that then let it run it's course.

Maybe they're wrong and we decide it's too risky for our economy. If so, then why? Is it because our nation is uniquely able to handle it? Is it because we don't think it will be a big deal? Is it because we're willing to accept the risk to elderly and those with preexisting conditions, and if they die in large numbers, we consider them acceptable losses?

With those countries deciding to lockdown, why haven't they melted down into civil unrest? Is it because they are uniquely setup not to let that happen, or is it because it hasn't happened yet?
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Well plunge the US into a depression, which will lead to a world wide depression and let’s see how Europe fairs. I wonder if they will go into unrest when Greece and Italy default.

Not really taking which side is right, but it is what it is.
 
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Yellow Snow said:
When the president invoked Title 32 a few days ago, it was partly to provide funding & additional personnel for the ACE to convert buildings to serve as temporary hospitals.

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Nice.

But is it enough to handle the additional load caused by opening everything up for the economy? The article stresses the "armed forces' expertise is in handling battlefield injuries, not infectious disease." And that a "a significant military mobilization … is a bad idea" for that reason. Course that's one military official's opinion. Maybe other military officials disagree.
 
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Arcc said:
Well plunge the US into a depression, which will lead to a world wide depression and let’s see how Europe fairs. I wonder if they will go into unrest when Greece and Italy default.

Not really taking which side is right, but it is what it is.
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I like and respect you arcc. You're posts on analyzing data have been very helpful.

But I'm lost. Do you mind explaining further?
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
Nice.

But is it enough to handle the additional load caused by opening everything up for the economy? The article stresses the "armed forces' expertise is in handling battlefield injuries, not infectious disease." And that a "a significant military mobilization … is a bad idea" for that reason. Course that's one military official's opinion. Maybe other military officials disagree.
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If you ask 20 different generals what the best procedure for something is, you'll get 20 different answers. Anyway, the ACE is building the hospitals, not manning them.
 
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