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But by doing that you risk causing families to lose all they have. Smaller companies to go bankrupt. In other words an economic nightmare.I think what everyone is missing about containment and quarantine is the fact that China did prevent it's spread from throughout it's country. Yes, it made it out of China but it did not infect all 1.1 Billion Chinese citizens. They stopped it dead in their tracks under totalitarian rule. They used every trick in their surveillance alter. The question is really how far are American and other countries willing to go?!?
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Much of the report focuses on understanding how China achieved what many public health experts thought was impossible: containing the spread of a widely circulating respiratory virus. “China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile, and aggressive disease containment effort in history,” the report notes.
The most dramatic—and controversial—measure was the lockdown of Wuhan and nearby cities in Hubei province, which has put at least 50 million people under a mandatory quarantine since 23 January. That has “effectively prevented further exportation of infected individuals to the rest of the country,” the report concludes. In other regions of mainland China, people voluntarily quarantined and were monitored by appointed leaders in neighborhoods.
Basically, this would be like putting Washington, Oregon and California under quarantine so it does not spread as much to non-coastal states.
I figure it's way more widespread here than anyone can believe. I know many people who have had similar symptoms the past few weeks but are young and just worked through it. Without mass testing who knows. Even my wife had congestion and a fever recently. They told her it was a sinus infection and sent her home with antibiotics which didnt' work. She kicked it but who knows?
Nerman
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This is a a good read for everyone who thinks there is no way to contain this virus. Or that our only option is to just let it run its course because it's going to infect everyone anyway.
www.nytimes.com
Outside of Wuhan, the spread has effectively stopped, according to the official figures. All but one of the 99 new cases reported on Saturday were in Wuhan or were people who had traveled to China from abroad.
China May Be Beating the Coronavirus, at a Painful Cost (Published 2020)
Beijing says its heavy-handed measures are working. Can other countries battling the outbreak learn from its efforts — or is the cure worse than the disease?
Outside of Wuhan, the spread has effectively stopped, according to the official figures. All but one of the 99 new cases reported on Saturday were in Wuhan or were people who had traveled to China from abroad.
Sandbar
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There will be people complaigning about that...….
Nerman
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Yes, would you risk all you have to save a loved one? It's not an easy answer I agree with you.
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Who in the world would complain about any of that?
snowlover91
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It's a tough call, locking down the country for 12-18 months until a vaccine is ready isn't feasible (as evidenced by China gearing back up into production mode). At the same time with new cases still being reported in China, it's possible a new "wave" of people could start catching it as manufacturing and activity increases again. Then what if your loved one still ends up getting it? Now you've harmed a lot of businesses and made people struggle who live paycheck to paycheck AND your loved one may still get sick and not make it... It's a really tough call to make for sure and I'm glad I don't have to make this type of decision.
Is it true African Americans are sig less likely to catch it?
Nerman
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People will ask where the money is going to come from since we already have a ballooning national debt that is over 1Trillion annually. It won't be the conservative Tea Party that packed their fiscally conservative bags and went home after Trump got elected.
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US Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage
Depending on how you measure it, different presidents have added to the national debt. Check out how the national debt has increased by year and president.
This should probably be moved to political or stock market thread.
Ultra left wingers.
Nerman
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Your life is about to change.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, issued a disturbing warning during a White House briefing Tuesday: Americans everywhere need to change the way they live their lives. Right now.
"We would like the country to realize that as a nation, we can't be doing the kinds of things we were doing a few months ago. It doesn't matter if you're in a state that has no cases or one case," Fauci said, referring Americans to the new federal Coronavirus.gov website for details on precautions to take at home, at work and out in the world.
"If and when the infections will come -- and they will come, sorry to say, sad to say -- when you're dealing with an infectious disease... we want to be where the infection is going to be, as well as where it is," Fauci said.
"Everybody should say, 'All hands on deck,'" he added.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, issued a disturbing warning during a White House briefing Tuesday: Americans everywhere need to change the way they live their lives. Right now.
"We would like the country to realize that as a nation, we can't be doing the kinds of things we were doing a few months ago. It doesn't matter if you're in a state that has no cases or one case," Fauci said, referring Americans to the new federal Coronavirus.gov website for details on precautions to take at home, at work and out in the world.
"If and when the infections will come -- and they will come, sorry to say, sad to say -- when you're dealing with an infectious disease... we want to be where the infection is going to be, as well as where it is," Fauci said.
"Everybody should say, 'All hands on deck,'" he added.
Nerman
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He's not alone in saying that this is the moment to contain coronavirus. We are at an inflection point, according to Thomas Bossert, a former homeland security adviser to President Donald Trump, writing in The Washington Post. It's worth reading his entire piece, but the key point is this:
"Officials must pull the trigger on aggressive interventions. Time matters. Two weeks of delay can mean the difference between success and failure. Public health experts learned this in 1918 when the Spanish flu killed 50 million to 100 million people around the globe. If we fail to take action, we will watch our health-care system be overwhelmed."
He compared the lax early actions in Italy, which is now under national lockdown, with the more strict and invasive early actions in Singapore and Hong Kong. (Read this for a taste of what the first day of containment was like in Italy.)
"Officials must pull the trigger on aggressive interventions. Time matters. Two weeks of delay can mean the difference between success and failure. Public health experts learned this in 1918 when the Spanish flu killed 50 million to 100 million people around the globe. If we fail to take action, we will watch our health-care system be overwhelmed."
He compared the lax early actions in Italy, which is now under national lockdown, with the more strict and invasive early actions in Singapore and Hong Kong. (Read this for a taste of what the first day of containment was like in Italy.)
Heelyes
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Or fiscal conservatives, if they still exist
Yellow Snow
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It's all well and good to call for "strict and invasive" actions, but these can run smack into the face of FDA rules, HIPAA laws, etc. And state regulations only add to the tangle (as seen in Washington state early on).
‘It’s Just Everywhere Already’: How Delays in Testing Set Back the U.S. Coronavirus Response (Published 2020)
A series of missed chances by the federal government to ensure more widespread testing came during the early days of the outbreak, when containment would have been easier.
Webberweather53
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Trickle down economics is certainly the way to go and will definitely trickle down the consumer at a point where consumer spending will probably fall basically thru the floor, this is a fantastic idea I see absolutely nothing wrong with accelerating our national debt! /s
[x] doubt this gets passed in congress, at this point you’re having to rely entirely on Trump’s word which has meant absolutely nothing lately. Yeah good luck with this
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