• Hello, please take a minute to check out our awesome content, contributed by the wonderful members of our community. We hope you'll add your own thoughts and opinions by making a free account!

Coronavirus (Stay on Topic)

Status
Not open for further replies.
pcbjr said:
This is absolutely freaking crazy ... went to Publix to get some toothpaste and a 12 pack of toilet paper ... none on the shelf of either ... went to CVS, none on the self there ... both tell me their warehouses are empty ...Corona virus does not rot teeth or cause poops ... this is exponential panic ... headed to the ammo store, I guess ...
Click to expand...

Jean Shorts still in stock? If that’s sold out y’all are in real trouble.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Last edited:
pcbjr said:
This is absolutely freaking crazy ... went to Publix to get some toothpaste and a 12 pack of toilet paper ... none on the shelf of either ... went to CVS, none on the self there ... both tell me their warehouses are empty ...Corona virus does not rot teeth or cause poops ... this is exponential panic ... headed to the ammo store, I guess ...
Click to expand...

Pop quiz hotshot(movie quote)........you have 6 rolls of TP and get put on 21 day quarantine what do you use after day 10?
 
pcbjr said:
This is absolutely freaking crazy ... went to Publix to get some toothpaste and a 12 pack of toilet paper ... none on the shelf of either ... went to CVS, none on the self there ... both tell me their warehouses are empty ...Corona virus does not rot teeth or cause poops ... this is exponential panic ... headed to the ammo store, I guess ...
Click to expand...

I miss 3rd world Afghanistan. People were far less complicating to understand
 
snowlover91 said:
Interesting article, thanks for sharing. So is it worth it to shut the economy down for a month and harm local businesses and hourly workers when the quarantine really only slightly delays the spread of it? I’m sure the people making these decisions probably have a lot more data and info available to make decisions on but to me it seems like quarantines just delay the inevitable a few days or weeks while harming the economy at the same time.

All of my grandparents are gone but the church I go to is 80% or more people who are 60+ and would be in the danger zone for this so I’m pretty concerned about them. We also have a few folks in nursing homes who I’m really concerned about.
Click to expand...

Basically at my age 44 most of my family besides brother and cousins are in the 65+ range. Both my parents are 70+ and I have a grandmother who is 94 and still lives on her own. My mom has mild dementia and asthma along with a lung ailment that came from a side effect of a medication she was on.

Are we just suppose to let everyone take their chances, because her chances arent that great All the people who are saying screw it this is crazy are basically telling me it's just too bad if my mom gets it and doesnt make it. Got to roll the dice.

Not sure what path is best but I sure dont want to look at someone else and basically tell them to suck it up if their older family members get sick.
 
Shaggy said:
Pop quiz hotshot(movie quote)........you have 6 rolls of TP and get put on 21 day quarantine what do you use after day 10?
Click to expand...
Why you ask the store clerk to bag your Groceries with papper and not plastic.
 
Shaggy said:
Basically at my age 44 most of my family besides brother and cousins are in the 65+ range. Both my parents are 70+ and I have a grandmother who is 94 and still lives on her own. My mom has mild dementia and asthma along with a lung ailment that came from a side effect of a medication she was on.

Are we just suppose to let everyone take their chances, because her chances arent that great All the people who are saying screw it this is crazy are basically telling me it's just too bad if my mom gets it and doesnt make it. Got to roll the dice.

Not sure what path is best but I sure dont want to look at someone else and basically tell them to suck it up if their older family members get sick.
Click to expand...
Same here, my wife has dozens of friends that are extremely at risk. My grandfather is 99 and lost his older brother and uncle to the Spanish flu almost exactly 100 years ago
 
snowlover91 said:
Yeah I've tried finding an answer to this but I haven't yet found anything that really answers it... Here's how my logic runs, and it may be off but here goes. The time to "contain" the coronavirus was when it was initially breaking out in China. Indications are that the government covered it up for a few weeks which probably made containment impossible. Once they started locking things down, this was already out spreading all over the world. Now that it's global, even if a country could quarantine and 100% eliminate it, what's to stop people from other countries from bringing it in once quarantine's are lifted or like in China where the rate slowed dramatically but it still isn't eliminated? If a significant portion of the population hasn't been exposed, all the quarantine does is slow things down while it's in progress and hurts economic activity but as soon as it is lifted everyone is at risk again. The only thing I can figure logically is that it was done to prevent a complete collapse of the medical facilities and to make the government look like it is taking things seriously... but once lifted everyone is at risk again of a new "wave" starting up. I'm just not sure what the actual benefit of a quarantine is once something like this goes global outside of temporarily slowing things down. @Jon any thoughts on this?
Click to expand...

You’re right.

Quarantines only help to contain the virus initially. If that fails (it did, since it’s global), the second benefit would be to slow the rate at which the virus transmits.

China quarantined initially to try to contain. Then it was self serving isolationism to slow the rate and try not to cripple their economy.

All countries would have had to collectively suspend air travel indefinitely until cases went down, but thanks to modern technology we got screwed pretty quickly.

Covid-19 is here to stay. It’s a new virus and will likely be seasonal like the flu, but can also follow an odd seasonal pattern (or a longer pattern) than the flu. Just like after the 2009 H1N1 outbreak, we now vaccinate for H1N1 strains (usually a different one each year) and that H1N1 virus shows it’s head every flu season.

So SARS CoV-2 won’t go away. No amount of quarantine or preparation can prevent inevitable community spread in every state and county. We are beyond that.

What we can hope for is the fastest development of a vaccine known to man and be able to vaccinate against covid-19 this fall, however we may be waiting until next spring. Oddly enough, whenever the vaccine is available it will be pushed ASAP.

Once you get covid-19 there’s a chance you can be protected or build immunity. This is only initially, this is why the CDC says you can’t get it twice. It will mutate and drift, and you’ll be able to get it again once it does so.


Here’s a video about antigenic drift of flu, which is similar virally:


What is worrisome is the vaccine, even after it’s made and given to a large number of people, may not work.

We see about a 50% effectiveness rate of flu vaccines annually. That’s best case. Now think about 169 published strains of CoV-2 so far due to antigenic drift. Trying to figure out what strain or strains to include in a tiny vaccine will be 80% guesswork and 20% data analysis. But the problem is they have to pick soon, as trials are already beginning. It’s still too early to scientifically pick a predicted strain for next year, as we are just now sequencing the genome. What we are doing now for a vaccine is 100% guesswork. So don’t count on that being our saving grace.

I kinda went on a tangent but wanted to answer the vaccine question someone quoted you and asked.
 
Shaggy said:
Basically at my age 44 most of my family besides brother and cousins are in the 65+ range. Both my parents are 70+ and I have a grandmother who is 94 and still lives on her own. My mom has mild dementia and asthma along with a lung ailment that came from a side effect of a medication she was on.

Are we just suppose to let everyone take their chances, because her chances arent that great All the people who are saying screw it this is crazy are basically telling me it's just too bad if my mom gets it and doesnt make it. Got to roll the dice.

Not sure what path is best but I sure dont want to look at someone else and basically tell them to suck it up if their older family members get sick.
Click to expand...

IMO the best way to handle it is mass testing, identify as many carriers as possible and quarantine them, that's basically what SK did. That plus select shutdowns of hardest hit areas are the only real way to stop the rapid spread.....see Italy's latest numbers to see what happens when you wait to long.

www.foxnews.com

Italy's coronavirus death toll rises to more than 600 amid first day of nationwide lockdown: report

Italy saw 164 additional deaths from the coronavirus within the past 24 hours, authorities announced Tuesday, raising the national death toll to a whopping 631 amid the first day of a sweeping country-wide lockdown, the British ITV television channel first reported.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

Italy saw 168 additional deaths from the coronavirus within the past 24 hours, authorities announced Tuesday, raising the national death toll to a whopping 631 amid the first day of a sweeping country-wide lockdown, the British ITV television channel first reported.

The death toll stood at 463 in Italy on Monday evening -- with the number of cases in the country spiking 24 percent over the weekend, with at least 9,100 Italians infected with the COVID-19 virus. Calling it Italy's "darkest hour," Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte, prompted by those figures, announced the nationwide lockdown effective from Tuesday until April 3 on the entire population of 60 million.
 
My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave. Stonewall Jackson
 
Shaggy said:
Basically at my age 44 most of my family besides brother and cousins are in the 65+ range. Both my parents are 70+ and I have a grandmother who is 94 and still lives on her own. My mom has mild dementia and asthma along with a lung ailment that came from a side effect of a medication she was on.

Are we just suppose to let everyone take their chances, because her chances arent that great All the people who are saying screw it this is crazy are basically telling me it's just too bad if my mom gets it and doesnt make it. Got to roll the dice.

Not sure what path is best but I sure dont want to look at someone else and basically tell them to suck it up if their older family members get sick.
Click to expand...

Yeah I don’t envy the people making these decisions at all... they’re faced with the choice of hurting economies to just delay things or let it run it’s course and risk seriously overwhelming medical facilities, both of which have severe consequences but in different ways. My hope is the warm weather will help slow this thing down as we enter spring and they can fast track a vaccine by the end of this year or early next year.
 
pcbjr said:
This is absolutely freaking crazy ... went to Publix to get some toothpaste and a 12 pack of toilet paper ... none on the shelf of either ... went to CVS, none on the self there ... both tell me their warehouses are empty ...Corona virus does not rot teeth or cause poops ... this is exponential panic ... headed to the ammo store, I guess ...
Click to expand...

This is why I spent the past 4 weeks slowly stockpiling this type of stuff... I knew once this got going in the US people would panic and it would be hard to find this stuff. With NC declaring a state of emergency today I imagine our grocery stores are going to be cleaned out.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top